John McCain and Lindsey Graham: Confront ISIS Now

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ISIS is now one of the largest, richest terrorist organizations in history. It occupies a growing safe haven the size of Indiana spanning two countries in the heart of the Middle East, and its ranks are filled with thousands of radicals holding Western passports, including some Americans. They require nothing more than a plane ticket to travel to United States cities.

This is why the secretary of homeland security has called Syria “a matter of homeland security.” His warnings about ISIS have been echoed by the attorney general, the director of national intelligence and, now, the secretary of defense. Americans need to know that ISIS is not just a problem for Iraq and Syria. It is a threat to the United States. Doing too little to combat ISIS has been a problem. Doing less is certainly not the answer now.
 
These are the kinds of people that need to be tracked.

It really ought to be a whole lot harder for these men to get back to American, or France, or Britain, with no more than a passport.

This is what intelligence is needed for in the first place.
 
Why didn’t he do it back then? And for clarification. The person behind Abu Masa is Baghdadi
This is when McCain was comparing to the founding fathers of the U.S
 
War will only create more problems. A possible solution is to recognise that the country of Iraq may need to be divided up into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions.
In any case, IMHO, the US should stay out of these inter-religious wars that have been going on for centuries.
 
War will only create more problems. A possible solution is to recognise that the country of Iraq may need to be divided up into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions.
In any case, IMHO, the US should stay out of these inter-religious wars that have been going on for centuries.
Except if the war by ISIS comes to us. I agree with you in theory, but ISIS seems to be a new type of terrorist organization that is bent on Middle East domination and possibly beyond. While McCain is almost always in favor of war, whether it involves Syria, Iran, or other countries, perhaps he is right on this occasion.
 
These are the kinds of people that need to be tracked.

It really ought to be a whole lot harder for these men to get back to American, or France, or Britain, with no more than a passport.

This is what intelligence is needed for in the first place.
We used to have intelligence galore in the Middle East. The War on Terrorism should have started with Beirut. Regan dropped the ball imo. We could have clamped down hard on these extremists and all of this we face today would have never come to be.

jmo
 
We used to have intelligence galore in the Middle East. The War on Terrorism should have started with Beirut. Regan dropped the ball imo. We could have clamped down hard on these extremists and all of this we face today would have never come to be.

jmo
In general, I’m no defender of Reagan’s policies; but I think it’s hard to say whether a different course of action at a particular moment in history would have thwarted the growth of terrorism. There are probably too many other variables.
 
In general, I’m no defender of Reagan’s policies; but I think it’s hard to say whether a different course of action at a particular moment in history would have thwarted the growth of terrorism. There are probably too many other variables.
I think the situation became worse when the Americans decided to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
 
The problem in the phenom is how many young people are drawn to the radical element and from so many different countries.

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The intel is imperative right now. I really don’t see where the US has the opportunity to not be involved and for this reason. McCain and Graham may be right, the problem with them is always the same, they are hawks and always sound like frick and frack with the same rehearsed line and fervor. But Its difficult to dismiss their practical experience, more so with Hagel though imho.
While some Islamic scholars have said the use of weapons of mass destruction is prohibited, the material on the seized computer included a fatwa, or Islamic ruling, permitting it.
“If Muslims cannot defeat the kafir [unbelievers] in a different way, it is permissible to use weapons of mass destruction,” states the fatwa by Saudi jihadi cleric Nasir al-Fahd, who is currently imprisoned in Saudi Arabia. “Even if it kills all of them and wipes them and their descendants off the face of the Earth.”
 
nytimes.com/2014/08/30/opinion/john-mccain-and-lindsey-graham-confront-isis.html?_r=0

ISIS is now one of the largest, richest terrorist organizations in history. It occupies a growing safe haven the size of Indiana spanning two countries in the heart of the Middle East, and its ranks are filled with thousands of radicals holding Western passports, including some Americans. They require nothing more than a plane ticket to travel to United States cities.

This is why the secretary of homeland security has called Syria “a matter of homeland security.” His warnings about ISIS have been echoed by the attorney general, the director of national intelligence and, now, the secretary of defense. Americans need to know that ISIS is not just a problem for Iraq and Syria. It is a threat to the United States. Doing too little to combat ISIS has been a problem. Doing less is certainly not the answer now.
We all need to pray–and pray hard! Our world is cettainly going the way of all the “Last of Time” prophecies. I’m not saying that we are approaching the End of the World–though we could be. I am saying that many people are suffering and governments don’t seem to really look at the bible or care. Think of all the people killed or beheaded by ISIS, Say the daily Rosary—prayer is all we can really offer.
 
We used to have intelligence galore in the Middle East. The War on Terrorism should have started with Beirut. Regan dropped the ball imo. We could have clamped down hard on these extremists and all of this we face today would have never come to be.

jmo
Or maybe it started when the USA abandoned the Shah of Iran and Americans were taken hostage, Argos.
 
A guy who meets with terrorists and supports arming them, now says he want’s to do something about them ? Sorry but if John McCain told me it was raining outside I’d go and look first.
 
Per Frontpage magazine, McCain did not meet with ISIS leaders. I know the Lebanon paper may have said that.

frontpagemag.com/2014/dgreenfield/no-mccain-wasnt-posing-wisis-members/
That isn’t to say that McCain wasn’t posing with terrorists and terrorist supporters. He was. But they were members of the Free Syrian Army, which had strong links to the Muslim Brotherhood and other Jihadist groups.
McCain is standing next to General Salim Idris, the front man for the FSA, who wasn’t actually in Syria. The man to the right of him is Mouaz Moustafa, a Palestinian Arab lobbyist for all sorts of groups who supports Hamas.
So terrorists yes, ISIS no.
It’s not inconceivable that one or two of the men in the photo may have drifted through various organizations and ended up being aligned with ISIS. But they weren’t ISIS at the time.
 
War will only create more problems. A possible solution is to recognise that the country of Iraq may need to be divided up into Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish regions.
In any case, IMHO, the US should stay out of these inter-religious wars that have been going on for centuries.
The trouble with splitting Iraq is that Turkey is very much against having a border with a Kurdish state since there is a large Kurd population in Turkey that probably would want to be part of that new state.

So much of this goes back to the 1918 Paris Treaty. If you want to get a sense of how we ended up with so many of the messes of the last century, read “Paris 1918: Six months that changed the world” by MacMillan. It is a long, terse and sometimes boring read, but it captures what was going in all its detail to the underlying thought process that created the chaos of the next century.
 
Why didn’t he do it back then? And for clarification. The person behind Abu Masa is Baghdadi
This is when McCain was comparing to the founding fathers of the U.S
FALSE: That picture misidentifies people. McCain did not meet with terrorists. This misrepresentation started in a Hezbollah newspaper. Hezbollah is no friend of McCain. See the article below:

But McCain, R-Ariz., has come under fire from the left-leaning organization VoteVets.org for allegedly posing for a photo in 2013 with “ISIS fighters,” a charge the group has been unable to back up and that McCain calls a fabrication.

The photo was taken during a surprise May 2013 trip McCain took to Syria to meet with rebel leaders in the civil war against President Bashar Assad’s regime. Then and now, McCain is a passionate advocate for helping the moderate Free Syrian Army, which has been battling both Assad’s forces and the extremists. In June, President Barack Obama’s administration proposed a $500 million plan to arm and train the moderate Syrian opposition.

McCain’s photo with the Syrian rebels misidentified as ISIS fighters has caught fire on social-media platforms such as Twitter. It was distributed in a VoteVets fundraising e-mail dated Tuesday, the same day that ISIS released a grisly video documenting Foley’s murder.

“While he was there (in Syria), he paused for some photos — including some with ISIS militants,” VoteVets chairman Jon Soltz, an Iraq War veteran, wrote in the e-mail that featured the photo. “Today, just over a year later, he wants to fight ISIS in Iraq — ostensibly against the weapons he wants to provide them in Syria.”

McCain’s camp pushed back hard, characterizing the VoteVets charge as a lie. The senator’s office noted that not only has the Obama White House come around to the idea of arming the Free Syrian Army, but former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said in an interview that the U.S. failure to help establish “a credible fighting force … left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled.”

And ISIS recently singled out McCain as “the enemy” and a “crusader” in a propaganda magazine.

“It is shameful that the liberal group VoteVets would completely fabricate this obviously false smear, but it just shows how far some of President Obama’s defenders will go to attack anyone who criticizes his failed foreign policy,” McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said.

In a meeting Thursday with The Arizona Republic’s editorial board, McCain said a Hezbollah-controlled newspaper in Beirut was the first to make unfounded accusations about the men in the photo.

One of the men with McCain is Gen. Salim Idris, who at the time chief of staff of the Free Syrian Army’s Supreme Military Council. He was removed from the post in February. Another is Mouaz Moustafa, executive director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, a Washington, D.C.-based group that encourages U.S. intervention on behalf of the moderate opposition and organized McCain’s visit. A third man who had been disputed in the past has since been identified “as one of the brigade commanders for the Free Syrian Army,” McCain said.

He was with the Northern Storm Brigade, a force affiliated with the Free Syrian Army that has battled ISIS, McCain’s office clarified.

“It’s foolishness,” but the false charge “just bangs around the Internet,” McCain said.

Asked by The Republic for documentation or a source for its claim that the McCain photo included ISIS militants, VoteVets could not provide any evidence, but did pass along an Aug. 18 Washington Post column by Souad Mekhennet that makes the point that some “factions” of the Free Syrian Army have joined ISIS. The column didn’t relate to anyone in the McCain photo.

azcentral.com/story/azdc/2014/08/24/mccain-photo-isis-terrorists-syria/14475207/
 
The trouble with splitting Iraq is that Turkey is very much against having a border with a Kurdish state since there is a large Kurd population in Turkey that probably would want to be part of that new state.

So much of this goes back to the 1918 Paris Treaty. If you want to get a sense of how we ended up with so many of the messes of the last century, read “Paris 1918: Six months that changed the world” by MacMillan. It is a long, terse and sometimes boring read, but it captures what was going in all its detail to the underlying thought process that created the chaos of the next century.
However you could make it a semi-autonomous region. I don’t think the Kurds will go back to the way it was.
 
Turkey’s treatment of the Armenians and Greeks certainly shows there was trouble before 1916, perhaps the Serbs could be included as victims as well.
 
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