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1edyson
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what faith did John Smith hold before he founded the LDS church? I heard somewhere, and don’t at all give this any credibility that he was Seventh Day Adventist, any truth in that, if not, what was he?
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RebeccaJ
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Hi, first, it is Joseph Smith, not John. 
His family were Seekers. When he was a teenager they all converted to Presbyterian. Around this time western NY state was “burned over”, that is, very heavily evangelized during revivals. At this time Smith claims he had a vision to join no church. A couple of years later he was involved in a Methodist church for a while.
The commonality to SDA is they both arose out of the same NY era and burned over districts. They are both restorationist religions.
His family were Seekers. When he was a teenager they all converted to Presbyterian. Around this time western NY state was “burned over”, that is, very heavily evangelized during revivals. At this time Smith claims he had a vision to join no church. A couple of years later he was involved in a Methodist church for a while.
The commonality to SDA is they both arose out of the same NY era and burned over districts. They are both restorationist religions.
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zerinus
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Seventh Day Adventist Church was established in 1863. Joseph Smith founded the LDS Church in 1830, and was martyred in 1844.
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Finrock
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Hi 1edyson! I hope you are doing well this evening. I’m glad to make your acquaintance.
The founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith considered himself a Christian, although he belonged to no particular denomination. Even though he didn’t attend church much prior to founding the LDS church, on occasion he would attend the several different denominations where he grew up, apparently finding the Methodist church to be the one he liked to attend the most, even signing up for a debate club held by the Methodist church.
He was never a Seventh Day Adventist nor was he affiliated with it in any way.
Kind Regards,
Finrock
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1edyson
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Thx, thought that sounded wrong.Hi, first, it is Joseph Smith, not John.
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1edyson
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so definitively no.Seventh Day Adventist Church was established in 1863. Joseph Smith founded the LDS Church in 1830, and was martyred in 1844.
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. Are there any connections between the SDA and the LDS? I thought that John Smith sounded wrong, mods can you edit the posting title to Joseph?
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Finrock
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There are no connections between SDA and the LDS either.so definitively no.
Kind Regards,
Finrock
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zerinus
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I am no expert on them; but apparently not. It may have been a copycat attempt at imitating the LDS Church; but there is nothing outwardly in their history and theology that would suggest this. This Wikipedia article gives useful information about them.so definitively no.
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Stephen168
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Restoratism was started by the Stone-Campbell Movement. It gave birth to the Millerites and the Latter_Day_Saint_movement. The Millerites were the start of the Adventist movement. A number of groups came out of the Adventist Movement and Seventh Day Adventist are one of them. There are also a number of groups that come out of the Latter-Day Saint movement.so definitively no.
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LDSGuy
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Although both Latter-day Saints and Seventh Day Adventists both claim to be a restoration of the original Christian faith, there is no other connection or relationship between them.
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RebeccaJ
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SDA arose out of Millerism. William Miller taught in 1833 that the second coming of Christ was on Oct. 22 1844. . In 1843 Hiram Edson heard the message of William Miller, went home and healed an ill neighbor, and then claimed that God told him to begin preaching the Advent message (as Miller’s teachings were called). On the foretold day of Oct. 22, Edson waited with a group of 400 or so people who had converted because of his preaching. The following day, walking thorugh his grain field, reflecting on his gifts of healing, and conversion, he claimed a vision:Seventh Day Adventist Church was established in 1863. Joseph Smith founded the LDS Church in 1830, and was martyred in 1844.
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“We started, and while passing through a large field I was stopped about midway of the field. Heaven seemed opened to my view, and I saw distinctly and clearly that instead of our High Priest coming out of the Most Holy of the heavenly sanctuary to come to this earth on the tenth day of the seventh month, at the end of the 2300 days, He for the first time entered on that day the second apartment of that sanctuary; and that He had a work to perform in the Most Holy Place before coming to the earth.”
As you can see, the beliefs of the SDA were established in 1833 by William Miller%between%, and revelation believed given to Edson solidified the movement in 1843. A parallel time frame to the LDS movement, with a few commonalities of origins (the fervor of the burnt-out district) and visions.
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why_me
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Welcome Finrock to the boards. Good to see a lds person here. The former mormon antimormon catholics on this section of the forum can be abusive toward the lds church. Please don’t look at it as a reflection of the catholic church. Most catholics are kind and sweet toward the mormons.
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RebeccaJ
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You well poisoner you.
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Finrock
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Good evening whyme! I hope you are doing well tonight. Thank you for the welcome.
I’m sure that my own faults and weaknesses far outweigh anyone’s here. I have enough to work on within myself to be too bothered with other people’s weaknesses. I would never look at the action of a few to reflect the actions of the whole.
Kind Regards,
Finrock
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dianaiad
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Well, I imagine he was Joseph, not John, Smith.
He was only fourteen, y’know. He flirted with many of the groups that were preaching around the ‘burned out district,’ and flirted most with Presbyterianism, I believe.
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dianaiad
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They are both considered ‘restorationist,’ rather than ‘reformationist’ churches.
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zerinus
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Okay, you smart guys. Do you have a more useful contribution to make than just parroting the Wikipedia article that I had previously given?
On the subject of “restorationism,” although there are many churches and religious movements that are classed as “restorationist” in popular culture, the LDS Church is unique in that it claims a genuine Restoration of the gospel by a new revelation and dispensation of the gospel from heaven. None of the other churches do.
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RebeccaJ
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Of course, that is exactly what they claim.
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dianaiad
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Actually…no. A few do. Certainly the Millerites did, but the church that evolved from them does/did not. I mean, after the Millerites sold everything they had and stood around on a hill waiting for Christ to come–and He didn’t—they had to regroup big time. The new organization did not claim further revelation.
The Church of Christ folks (Stone/Campbell people) absolutely did NOT claim any such thing. In fact, that would have been purest anathema to them. They are very much sola scriptura, using a strict and deep reading of existing scripture (the bible) to ‘restore’ the original church by stripping away anything that wasn’t found in the bible.
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RebeccaJ
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Yes, y’all claim to restore something. Some do it by removing from. Other do it by adding to. LDS do a bit of both. Either way, it is the same claim. RESTORING.
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