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**According to Ecclesiastes, âThe living know that they are to die, but the dead no longer know anything.â (Eccle. 9:5) **And, not everyone judges who is with God. We have hope, in Jesus Christ.![]()
**According to Ecclesiastes, âThe living know that they are to die, but the dead no longer know anything.â (Eccle. 9:5) **And, not everyone judges who is with God. We have hope, in Jesus Christ.![]()
No, it may not be. But I will keep praying for you. Perhaps one day your stiff neck will bow to the yoke of the Lord.Well, the Kingdom of God is not for everyone.
The Epistle of Paul to the Romans:**According to Ecclesiastes, âThe living know that they are to die, but the dead no longer know anything.â (Eccle. 9:5) **
Thatâs not what I said.**Believe it or not. You have given the right answer to all questions when you declare that it is all a matter of faith. Yes, and faith requires no evidences, for not being based in facts, but in suppositions. **
No Ben, I canât say with certainty. How do you know a Jew is religious and how do you gauge their religiosity? Here in the States that may be considered profiling and watch out for the ACLU and Obama.John, the Immerser.
Have you ever seen religious Jews at the corners of some streets
Can you cite a source that states this is Johnâs occupation? Sounds kind of monotonous to me, over and over. How much was his wage? It is written that he ate free things, what did he spend his money on? If he would not have been beheaded, what was the average age for retirement? Benefits? Health insurance? Major medical? Dental? Optical? I have many questions Ben, Iâll save some for later. Have a good weekend Ben.That was Johnâs occupation: To immerse Jews in the Jordan River, over and over again everyday.
Ben
**Oh, thank you, but you donât have to pray too hard. My neck has been bowed for quite a time to the yoke of the Lord. And guess what? I donât find it heavy but quite a joy. **No, it may not be. But I will keep praying for you. Perhaps one day your stiff neck will bow to the yoke of the Lord.
And the point isâŚThe Epistle of Paul to the Romans:
8: 19 For creation awaits with eager expectation the revelation of the children of God; 20 for creation was made subject to futility, not of its own accord but because of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that creation itself would be set free from slavery to corruption and share in the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that all creation is groaning in labor pains even until now; 23 and not only that, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, we also groan within ourselves as we wait for adoption, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in hope we were saved. Now hope that sees for itself is not hope. For who hopes for what one sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait with endurance. 26 In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings. 27 And the one who searches hearts knows what is the intention of the Spirit, because it intercedes for the holy ones according to Godâs will. 28 We know that all things work for good for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those he predestined he also called; and those he called he also justified; and those he justified he also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to this? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but handed him over for us all, how will he not also give us everything else along with him? 33 Who will bring a charge against Godâs chosen ones? It is God who acquits us. 34 Who will condemn? It is Christ (Jesus) who died, rather, was raised, who also is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us. 35 What will separate us from the love of Christ? Will anguish, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or the sword? 36 As it is written: âFor your sake we are being slain all the day; we are looked upon as sheep to be slaughtered.â 37 No, in all these things we conquer overwhelmingly through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor present things, nor future things, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
**When Hosea said, My People perish, he did not say for lack of faith but of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)Thatâs not what I said.
I said that itâs a matter of faith HOW he fulfilled all of the prophecies. Itâs a matter of faith when you acknowledge that God can do it HIS way and not the way YOU think it should be done.
Faith, my friend. Itâs a shame that you apparently have NONE.
What makes you think we follow Jim Jones? There are plenty of other frauds out there as well, but only one Christ.**When Hosea said, My People perish, he did not say for lack of faith but of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)
When the faithful of Jim Jones were killed, they went to the slaughter like a herd of stupid sheep. If they had reasoned about their shepherd, they could have saved their lives.
Do you still wonder why I donât have much faith? **
**I donât really care that you donât have much faith. Thatâs between you and God. **When Hosea said, My People perish, he did not say for lack of faith but of knowledge. (Hosea 4:6)
**When the faithful of Jim Jones were killed, they went to the slaughter like a herd of stupid sheep. If they had reasoned about their shepherd, they could have saved their lives. **
**Do you still wonder why I donât have much faith? **
What legacy, for heavenâs sake, did Jesus leave? The poor man didnât even know that 30 years later, after he had gone, a Hellenistic Jew would rise to anoint him the Messiah. You guys donât even know the kind of shepherd is walking in the front and guiding you to. You have been all your lives thinking he is Jesus, when in fact, he has been Paul all along.What makes you think we follow Jim Jones? There are plenty of other frauds out there as well, but only one Christ.
I went looking for Jewish clamants for Messiahsip (there have been quite a few) in Wikipedia, and found, by way of example, a more recent one here on Wikipedia -
âJudah ben Shalom (Shukr Kuhayl II), 19th-century Yemenite pseudo-messiahâ
I read a bit of his âMessiahshipâ and it ended withâŚ
"The demise of Shukr Kuhayl II
Eventually, it was Jacob Saphirâs 1872 Igeret Taiman (consciously borrowing the title of Rambamâs earlier Epistle), countering the messianic claims of Judah ben Shalom, and signed by the rabbis of Jerusalem, which lead to a deterioration in Kuhaylâs stature among the community leaders controlling his cash flow (Klorman 1989). As the income diminished, he was forced to borrow money from wealthy Arabs, andâevidently defaulting on these loansâwas finally taken to jail. Released after some time, he was not able to regain his former acclaim, and died in poverty around 1878."
Now there was good solid Jewish boy. I wonder why his Jewish adherents didnât wake up to him earlier? Why follow him like stupid sheep?
And there seems to have been a few other âMessiahsâ down the centuries, not one of whom has left a legacy like Jesus of Nazareth.
Perhaps because if it were not for us, you wouldnât even have a Christ to name yourselves Christians.**I donât **really care that you donât have much faith. Thatâs between you and God.
**If you see Christianity as some kind of cult, then youâre **no better than the Jewish and Roman leaders in the Early Church who persecuted Christians because they thought them to be a cannabalistic cult who were converting Jews and Roman citizens.
Your problem is that youâre just another angry, anti-Christian with nothing more than confused, acrimonious opinions instead of well-researched facts.
Unfortunately, being an anti-Christian is not only accepted in this society, itâs encouraged. because of the lack of faith in our world. If I hung around Jewish forums and spewed negative, unfounded rubbish about their beliefs, I would be labeled an anti-Semite.
Youâre absolutely correct - in a sense.Perhaps because if it were not for us, you wouldnât even have a Christ to name yourselves Christians.
My facts are all evidenced by the Scriptures, either mine or yours. The problem is that it seems to me you donât believe the Scriptures when they disagree with your preconceived notions.Youâre absolutely correct - in a sense.
However, I donât give credit to the nation of Israel - I give it to God.
I certainly donât give it to angry anti-Christians like yourself who fabricate theories and try to pass them off as fact.
This is hogwash.My facts are all evidenced by the Scriptures, either mine or yours. The problem is that it seems to me you donât believe the Scriptures when they disagree with your preconceived notions.
This is hogwash.
I have read your posts on meany threads and your always override the truth.
**How could one of Israel override the Truth when to Israel only was the Truth entrusted, and to no other people on earh? (Psalm 147:19,20) **
Take this thread for example where you stated that Jesus come to change anything and come to change the meaning of the Passover. His entire reason for coming to be the Paschal Lamb.
You are making of Jesus a liar just as Paul did. Jesus himself declared with all the letters, that he had not come to abolish or change anything, according to Matthew 5:17-19, and Paul said it was not true because everything was abolished on the cross, and you are affirming what Paul said. Whom am I supposed to trust, you, Paul or Jesus? Not too hard a choice, donât you think so? About the Passover lamb, also Pauline rhetoric.
Also - you misrepresent John the Baptist and his mission, which was prophesied by Isaiah 40:3and Malachi 3:1. and instead, insert YOUR opinions.I am merely exposing.
Assumptions! Only words of assumptions. There is nothing whatsoever in Isaiah or Malachi about Jesus. Those Prophets were worry only about the return of the Jews from exile in Babylon. Thatâs all.
Youâre absolutely correct.How could one of Israel override the Truth when to Israel only was the Truth entrusted, and to no other people on earh? (Psalm 147:19,20)
Jesus DIDNâT come to change things?? Thatâs not what HE said:You are making of Jesus a liar just as Paul did. Jesus himself declared with all the letters, that he had not come to abolish or change anything, according to Matthew 5:17-19, and Paul said it was not true because everything was abolished on the cross, and you are affirming what Paul said. Whom am I supposed to trust, you, Paul or Jesus? Not too hard a choice, donât you think so? About the Passover lamb, also Pauline rhetoric.
Continued . . .Assumptions! Only words of assumptions. There is nothing whatsoever in Isaiah or Malachi about Jesus. Those Prophets were worry only about the return of the Jews from exile in Babylon. Thatâs all.
elvisman; said:Nevertheless, this spiritually adulterous nation in your eyes is the nation that God uses to manifest His glory in the sight of all the other nations. (Ezek. 20:41) Thatâs odd, isnât it/
Nothing of the above in the Tanach applies to Jesus but through assumptions. And assumptions that butter no bread.Continued . . .
Those prophets â and many others - prophesied about the coming of the messiah, Jesus Christ:
Jesus would be the King
Psalms 2:6 (NIV), John 18:33-37
Jesus would be a Priest
Psalms 110:4, Hebrews 5:5-6, Hebrews 6:20, Hebrews 7:14-1
Jesus would come from Davidâs family and be heir to his throne
***2 Samuel 7:12-16, Psalms 89:3-4, Isaiah 9:6-7, Jeremiah 23:5, Matthew 1:1, Mark 12:36, ***Luke 2:4-7
"Elijah" would come immediately prior to the coming of Jesus
Malachi 4:5, Malachi 3:1, Isaiah 40:3-5, Matthew 3:1-3, Matthew 11:10-14, Mark 1:2-3, Luke 3:2-6, Luke 7:27
Jesus would be born in Bethlehem
Micah 5:1, Matthew 2:6, John 7:42
Kings would bow down to Jesus and pay tribute
Psalms 72:10-11, Matthew 2:1-11
Bethlehemâs children would be killed at Jesusâ Coming
Genesis 35:19-20, Jeremiah 31:15, Matthew 2:16-18
Jesus would live in Egypt***.***
Hosea 11:1, Matthew 2:14-15
Jesus would live in Galilee
Isaiah 9:1-2, Matthew 4:13-16
Jesus would heal people of disease and sickness
Isaiah 53:4, Isaiah 35:5-6, Isaiah 42:18, Matthew 11:
Jesus would teach in parables
Isaiah 6:9-10, Psalms 78:2, Matthew 13:11-15
Jesus would make a triumphal entry into Jerusalem on a donkey
Zechariah 9:9, Isaiah 62:11, Matthew 21:1-9, Mark 11:1-11
Jesus would be rejected by the Jewish people
Psalm 69:8, Isaiah 6:10, Isaiah 29:13, Isaiah 53:3, Matthew 15:1-9, Mark 6:3, Mark 7:6-7, John 1:11
Jesus would be rejected by the Jewish leadership
Psalms 118:22, Matthew 21:42-46, Mark 12:10-11
Jesus would be betrayed by a friend
Psalms 41:9, Psalms 55:12-2, Matthew 26:21-25, Matthew 26:47-50
Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
Zechariah 11:12-13, Matthew 26:15, Matthew 27:3-10
Jesus would have the price for His life given to buy a potters field
Zechariah 11:13, Matthew 27:7-10
Jesus the Lamb, would not have a broken bone
Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, John 19:31-37, Psalms 34:20
Jesusâ death would atone for the sins of mankind
Isaiah 53:5-7, Isaiah 53:1, Mark 10:45, John 1:29
They would cast lots for Jesusâ garments
Psalms 22:18, John 19:24
Daniel predicted when an anointed one would be rejected
Daniel 9:24-26
Jesus would be born of a virgin and called Immanuel***.***
Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:18-2:1, Luke 1:26-35
Shall I go on?