Join Me: I'm waving the Vatican Flag this July 4

[mikekle]

Maybe the Gadsden flag does, but not the Confederate flag. Please, do not lump them together. That is just offensive.

Honestly, I find the waving of any flag, other than the beautiful red, white, and blue of the United States of America, on the 4th of July to be missing the point of what the 4th of July represents. It is Independence Day! It was the birth of our country. Let’s leave current politics out of it. It is still the only country in the world I would choose to live in.

I have to disagree, I would fly the US flag in a heartbeat and very proudly if it was still the same nation as the founders intended. Our modern Govt celebrating this important holiday is almost a slap in the face to the founding fathers imo.

I think if any of them were to see the condition of the US today versus in their times and what they intended this nation to be, they would be rolling in their graves, and be upset how things have transpired, but I believe they would hold the people more responsible than the government itself, after all, it is the people who are the ones supposed to hold power over the govt and ensure they do the right things, not the other way around. Everytime we settle or compromise, and abide by/ obey some new tyrannical law or regulation the Govt imposes, we are usurping our duties as american citizens.

Of course the only reason most people ‘settle’ and just obey is that its much easier to go along to get along, rather than be the minority and ruin your quality of life over a principle…how many among us would be willing to face arrest and prison if it meant standing up for the Constitution…probably not many.

 

[Irishmom2]

I don’t think of the 4th of July as being a day to even think about the government. I think of it as the day for all Americans. I use it to think about what a wonderful country it is despite its struggles and problems. Maybe it all comes down to how each person feels about our country. I am not going to discuss politics, but let’s just say I love this country, despite where it’s gone in the last 8 years…

 

[pnewton]

Putting up any other flag other than the American flag on July 4th is flat out rude. The message that is sent is that one is a rude, unpatriotic boor. It is as inappropriate as putting an American flag on the altar in place of the crucifix. There is a time and place for everything. Deliberately being a stumbling block to one’s neighbors is anti-evangelism. St. Paul said he was all things to all people so that some might be saved.

If one wanted to make a statement about the faith, the thing to do would be to fly the Vatican flag all the time, except when taken down, or joined, for special occasions. I would not even object to the Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo, at least where one’s community is strongly hispanic. Please, no one take this suggestion seriously. I love the idea of flying the Vatican flag, in the* proper time and place*.

 

[phil19034]

The Confederate flag represents states’ rights and liberty. It is not racist.

No. The Confederate flag represents a disregard of the Constitution

We tried a Confederacy and it failed with the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution of the United States makes us a Federation, not a Confederation.

The Confederate Flag goes against the Constitution in every way possible.

 

[Richard_White]

No. The Confederate flag represents a disregard of the Constitution

We tried a Confederacy and it failed with the Articles of Confederation. The Constitution of the United States makes us a Federation, not a Confederation.

The Confederate Flag goes against the Constitution in every way possible.

The Confederate flag merely represents the idea of secession from the Union and continuance of slavery, nothing more.

May God bless you all!

 

[MomaMary8]

Nope. Not gonna happen. My loyalties lie with the United States of America, and they always will.

I also will not be flying an Irish flag, (I do that on St. Patrick’s day. )
The 4th of July is a celebration of our freedom, and the birth of our nation.

It is not a day to protest, or push political or social agendas. It is a day to celebrate being
American, or at least, living in this great country.

God bless America!

:irish2:

The one other thing we will be doing is having one of the kids read/recite the Declaration of Independence. This event usually leads to a great discussion of the document, choice of wording used vs the early versions that were first drafted, and a discussion of those who were involved in the Revolution and why. It’s a beautiful day to remember all who have sacrificed for us, but we have regular reminders of how we are blessed. We live near a military cemetery and regularly hear the 21 gun salute or taps being played.

 

[Sarcelle]

The Confederate flag represents states’ rights and liberty. It is not racist.

Well technically it’s still a free country so go and wave it.

The problem is the states’ right which it represents the most is the right to own slaves.

 

[Sarcelle]

Putting up any other flag other than the American flag on July 4th is flat out rude. The message that is sent is that one is a rude, unpatriotic boor. It is as inappropriate as putting an American flag on the altar in place of the crucifix. There is a time and place for everything. Deliberately being a stumbling block to one’s neighbors is anti-evangelism. St. Paul said he was all things to all people so that some might be saved.

If one wanted to make a statement about the faith, the thing to do would be to fly the Vatican flag all the time, except when taken down, or joined, for special occasions. I would not even object to the Mexican flag on Cinco de Mayo, at least where one’s community is strongly hispanic. Please, no one take this suggestion seriously. I love the idea of flying the Vatican flag, in the* proper time and place*.

Yes.

 

[Sarcelle]

I don’t think of the 4th of July as being a day to even think about the government. I think of it as the day for all Americans. I use it to think about what a wonderful country it is despite its struggles and problems. Maybe it all comes down to how each person feels about our country. I am not going to discuss politics, but let’s just say I love this country, despite where it’s gone in the last 8 years…

Same. The US is more than its government.

 

[Used2beSherryG]

I fly the American flag every day. I also pray for our country to return to reflecting Christian values, for our Supreme Court justices to render just verdicts in the eyes of God, for our politicians to set aside their own agendas and legislate in the best interest of our nation instead of special interests. I pray for parents to instill Christian values in their children, for educators to teach what is right in the eyes of God. Our nation is indeed, in trouble. Let’s pray all the more, fast and make sacrifices so that God will not turn away from us.

 

[mikekle]

I fly the American flag every day. I also pray for our country to return to reflecting Christian values, for our Supreme Court justices to render just verdicts in the eyes of God, for our politicians to set aside their own agendas and legislate in the best interest of our nation instead of special interests. I pray for parents to instill Christian values in their children, for educators to teach what is right in the eyes of God. Our nation is indeed, in trouble. Let’s pray all the more, fast and make sacrifices so that God will not turn away from us.

I agree with you about the Christian values, the founding fathers had this in mind, but those original values are not being kept, we are getting further and further away from them as we go on. Our constitution requires american citizens to take action to prevent and stop tyranny should it become necessary, the problem is, they are waiting for the tyrannical power to tell them its time to rise up (duh moment), of course that will never happen, just like the split from Engand in the american revolution, had everyone followed the laws, we would not have the US today.

Just imagine if those back in the time of the american revolution had believed prayer alone would be enough to ensure their victory and there was no need for war or violence (fighting)? England would have run rupshot over us and there would be no America today, it would be part of Britain.

I just think its important to remember HOW this country was founded and some of the things the founding fathers saw fit to put in the Constitution/ Bill of rights to ensure tyranny does not get a foot hold.

 

[kdbueno]

That’s great! I hope to see you personally on this one.

 

[EasterJoy]

I would rather wave the Confederate flag or the Gadsden flag. They both represent conservative resistance to a corrupt government.

The Confederate Flag represents ILLEGAL resistance to a LEGITIMATE government put in place by the consent of the states in an open and democratic process. It wasn’t the government of the United States of America that was guilty of bait-and-switch. It was the states who gave consent to the union and then tried to back out later who were guilty of going back on their word.

The Confederate flag represents states’ rights and liberty. It is not racist.

The Confederate flag represents illegal secession and treason, not states’ rights. They didn’t “notice” they had agreed to a permanent union? Well, they did. There was no exit clause in the Constitution they ratified. They agreed to stay in for the long haul. The alternative they chose was clearly defined as treason:

*Article III, Section III: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. *

As for liberty, that war was fought because the states attempting succession wouldn’t give up the institution of chattel slavery and wouldn’t submit to the laws of a democratic republic they were in by each states’ free consent. Some symbol of freedom! “As long as I’m free to own you, I really could care less that you, a native-born human being, have the legal stature of a farm animal.” I suppose that isn’t racist if you don’t care what color your chattel slave was born, but that’s hardly something to be proud of.

 

[EasterJoy]

I’m buying a Vatican flag and waving it from my house this Fourth of July, since the past ten years have really sapped whatever bits of patriotism I had in my blood.

Join me. Ebay sellers have really inexpensive flags, under $9.

This is a way to show where your loyalties now lie, in Post-America.

You could just volunteer to go to work that day, instead.

The burden of your citizenship in our democratic republic is yours to bear. Considering all the other countries you could have been born into as a native citizen–and the Holy See is not one of them–it is hard to see how anyone can stand before Heaven and complain about being born in the United States of America.

You want to be a citizen of a Catholic country? Fine. Immigrate to one. You’ll still have the duties of citizenship to see to when you get there. Send us a letter when you get settled in, tell us how it is going.

As for me, I’ll stay here and be thankful to have been born where I was. There is work to do, but we are in a vale of tears, not Heaven.

 

[Upgrade25]

Wave both, but put the American on to the Vatican for just the 'Murican days.
Though I’m not patriotic at the moment, I do feel blessed to live here, and to have a great, loyal military ready to die for our freedom. One desertation in US military is a huge story, but only several thousand are a big story in other parts of the world, to prove the loyalty.

 

[Sarcelle]

I’m buying a Vatican flag and waving it from my house this Fourth of July, since the past ten years have really sapped whatever bits of patriotism I had in my blood.

Join me. Ebay sellers have really inexpensive flags, under $9.

This is a way to show where your loyalties now lie, in Post-America.

Another thing to think about.

I hold to the idea that for every American that acts in a way to destroy American society, either deliberately or not, there are more Americans that are the salt of the earth type, who hold back the spread of corruption. I do not think they are less representative of the US than the spoiled, entitled and narcissistic Americans.

 

[on_the_hill]

Another thing to think about.

I hold to the idea that for every American that acts in a way to destroy American society, either deliberately or not, there are more Americans that are the salt of the earth type, who hold back the spread of corruption. I do not think they are less representative of the US than the spoiled, entitled and narcissistic Americans.

Someone recently said to me, ‘the world may be full of manure. Our job is to grow flowers in it.’

 

[adamhovey1988]

Hey, I’m just waiting for the day the White House lights up with the Colours and design of the Vatican flag.

 

[ManOnFire]

I’m buying a Vatican flag and waving it from my house this Fourth of July, since the past ten years have really sapped whatever bits of patriotism I had in my blood.

Join me. Ebay sellers have really inexpensive flags, under $9.

This is a way to show where your loyalties now lie, in Post-America.

LOL! I think we should fly American flags at half staff this July 4th to symbolize the death of the US as we once knew it, mostly the death of the romanticism of the culture in the 70s and 80s and the modern move of breaking toward becoming badass atheists, and the intolerance toward anyone who doesn’t want to play along.