Joing MENSA

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Hi everyone,

I’m not sure if this is the right place for this thread, so if it’s in the wrong place, I apologize.

Anyhow, I don’t know if anyone knows anything about MENSA, but I’ve always been told by psychologists that I’m highly gifted, and it hit me that this might explain my problem with not being able to make friends/dating etc., so I’m thinking about taking a test to join MENSA. Does anyone know what it’s like? Is it good? Or is just a waste of time? The problem I have is that many gifted people tend to be somewhat anti-religious, and I really want to meet other Catholic people, but it still might be worth a shot.

Plese don’t take this as bragging, by the way, I’m really looking for an honest opinion,
Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
 
It might be interesting to find out. I don’t think that being highly intelligent precludes having faith. If someone were to find out that members of MENSA are, by in large, unbelievers it could simply mean that the highly gifted Christians are using their talents in the service of Christ and are not interested in associating with the elite. They are more than likely in service for the poor and uneducated.
 
I was in MENSA for a couple years back in the late '70s or early '80s. I got out. The only thing I had in common with those people was a high IQ.
 
Please don’t take the following as an insult; it isn’t meant as such. It’s the same counsel that I would give a close friend in the same situation:

Be careful about thinking that it’s hard to make friends / have romantic relationships because you are “highly gifted.” I personally think that this can be used as an excuse for ignoring others’ needs or seeing others’ talents as somehow “less than” yours.

Personally, I have an extremely high IQ. But when I meet new people, I try to use my intelligence to find ways to relate to them. This isn’t to say that I always succeed, but it feels great when I do. I think it’s better to have friends with similar ideas of “right” and “wrong” than it is to have friends who understand whatever theoretical concept I’ve been thinking about lately.
 
How did you people become smart, I work my butt off for menial grades?
Do you have good photo graphic memory? are you stress free?
Whats the secrets?
I’m pretty average as an engineering student,
but I believe in doing what you have to do to survive, steal, lie and cheat if that is what it takes.
Does your academic abilities, keep your morals tighter ?

cheers!
 
If you’re in engineering and you’re finding it easy, either you are in the world’s wimpiest engineering school or you don’t understand the problem.

OTOH, if you’re in engineering and you’re actually cheating on tests or homework, you’re likely to become the kind of engineer who kills people inadvertently. (And I suggest that you read Lois McMaster Bujold’s engineering sf novel, Falling Free, and ponder her dad’s wisdom on engineering ethics.) Be careful. Take the time to do it right. You can do it.

Engineering is hard work. It takes a lot of thinking and a lot of practical knowledge about the physical world.

IQ tests are mostly based on verbal and math knowledge. MENSA’s admission tests are mostly puzzles. They are not hard if you like puzzles and can do them quickly, but it’s mostly testing a facile sort of intelligence.

Some people have fun in MENSA, some don’t. A lot depends on the membership, and a lot of them are not particularly attractive personalities. But if you’ve ever been admitted into it, you will always have something to say to people who disrespect or doubt your intelligence. (And sometimes that can come in useful.)

So basically, it depends on your idea of what will be fun for you!

However, for friendships, you usually want to be in a group based on common interests, like a club or a team or an activity group.
 
I qualify for Mensa and was a member of it until 2000 (used my GREs to get in).

Because I now live over 200 miles from a chapter of the organization, I let it go. No use paying for something I can’t make use of.

Sadly, Mensans often have little in common beyond the IQ score. That works both ways: you can find the proud-intellectual and proud-atheist types, or devout religious types.

But don’t expect too much of it. Not all Mensans even enjoy using their minds more than do others.

“Here comes everybody” just with a high IQ score.

ICXC NIKA
 
I was a member for years. They accept standardized tests, such as the SAT and LSAT. The only benefit for me was the monthly bulletin, so the dues weren’t worth it. They have local groups and activities which might be fun. Check it out.
 
OTOH, if you’re in engineering and you’re actually cheating on tests or homework, you’re likely to become the kind of engineer who kills people inadvertently. (And I suggest that you read Lois McMaster Bujold’s engineering sf novel, Falling Free, and ponder her dad’s wisdom on engineering ethics.) Be careful. Take the time to do it right. You can do it.

Engineering is hard work. It takes a lot of thinking and a lot of practical knowledge about the physical world.

IQ tests are mostly based on verbal and math knowledge. MENSA’s admission tests are mostly puzzles. They are not hard if you like puzzles and can do them quickly, but it’s mostly testing a facile sort of intelligence.

Some people have fun in MENSA, some don’t. A lot depends on the membership, and a lot of them are not particularly attractive personalities. But if you’ve ever been admitted into it, you will always have something to say to people who disrespect or doubt your intelligence. (And sometimes that can come in useful.)

So basically, it depends on your idea of what will be fun for you!

However, for friendships, you usually want to be in a group based on common interests, like a club or a team or an activity group.
No disrespect to you, but I think that you have limited engineering experience, if you actually correlate the two between academics and real world. I’ve yet to see, any
honest engineering students, (or medical students); and the program is not easy. I’m in a state university, nothing easy about it.
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    I've been to both trade school and academic school, I'm a certified 6G welder (XXX-Tube) T.I.G. root, 7018 Cap on high pressure steam lines for power plants.
I know the difference between the pretend university world and real world skills. The university does not, train people for real world vocation, engineering or not.

I’m going to abandon this post, as to not, hi jack the OP. I just had to throw in my two cents back at you I was interested as to what the high testing people here had to say about study skills or memory skills, ect.

Have a good week and no disrespect intended. to you
 
No disrespect to you, but I think that you have limited engineering experience, if you actually correlate the two between academics and real world. I’ve yet to see, any
honest engineering students, (or medical students); and the program is not easy. I’m in a state university, nothing easy about it.
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    I've been to both trade school and academic school, I'm a certified 6G welder (XXX-Tube) T.I.G. root, 7018 Cap on high pressure steam lines for power plants.
I know the difference between the pretend university world and real world skills. The university does not, train people for real world vocation, engineering or not.

I’m going to abandon this post, as to not, hi jack the OP. I just had to throw in my two cents back at you I was interested as to what the high testing people here had to say about study skills or memory skills, ect.

Have a good week and no disrespect intended. to you
The ability to ace a standardized test has no real bearing on one’s study skills or stress tolerance, which a stint in school requires.

Mensans are not, as a class, professional overachievers. They are just people who ace standardized tests.

ICXC NIKA.
 
The ability to ace a standardized test has no real bearing on one’s study skills or stress tolerance, which a stint in school requires.

Mensans are not, as a class, professional overachievers. They are just people who ace standardized tests.

ICXC NIKA.
I’ve taken some standardized exams, and I noticed many of the questions at times are
a matter of differentiating the misinformation from some of the multiple choices.
The one’s I’m referring to have been programming or health science, ect.
The screen writer and director Mike Judge, said in numerous interviews, about his degree in physics and working on his masters in math, that he was just really good at standardized test.
 
mensa.org/

You may already know about the website. There are practice tests and “workouts.” If you pass the online tests you can sit for the real thing in person.
 
It’s interesting that research says that genius has no correlation to success in life. Lot’s of geniuses fail at business, school and are poor.
 
I have no personal experience, but I suspect you’ll be disappointed by the people you meet in MENSA.

Better to join a special-interest group instead.
 
Hi everyone,

I’m not sure if this is the right place for this thread, so if it’s in the wrong place, I apologize.

Anyhow, I don’t know if anyone knows anything about MENSA, but I’ve always been told by psychologists that I’m highly gifted, and it hit me that this might explain my problem with not being able to make friends/dating etc., so I’m thinking about taking a test to join MENSA. Does anyone know what it’s like? Is it good? Or is just a waste of time? The problem I have is that many gifted people tend to be somewhat anti-religious, and I really want to meet other Catholic people, but it still might be worth a shot.

Plese don’t take this as bragging, by the way, I’m really looking for an honest opinion,
Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
MENSA has a reputation for attracting people who like to think of themselves as more clever than the average human being. That is the reputation. Remember that the Catholic Church has a reputation for attracting people who are obsessed with rules and juridical hair-splitting about what is and isn’t a sin, with most of them either hyper-critical, guilt-ridden, or both as a result. Well, sure, we have some of that. That doesn’t mean that either you or the Catholic Church will be better off if you come to us looking for that! 😃

In practice, it depends which bright people decided to join your local group. Even if you are bright, they may bore you or strike you as arrogant, and vice versa. Social skills are real skills, and if you get a bunch of bright people together who have poor social skills they will–wow, who knew?–still lack social skills. They’ll offend each other without meaning to do so, communicate poorly, and suffer all the consequences of having low emotional intelligence. Still, there is no reason that bright people are more likely than less gifted people to have a low social or emotional intelligence, not any more than being good at math means you’ll be bad at sports. Your MENSA group may have people with average or better social skills, and you may get along with them just great.

If obsessing over how to speed-solve the Sunday New York Times crossword puzzle is one of your guilty pleasures, MENSA may be a place to find other people with similar interests. Just go in being aware that it is kind of a shot in the dark. Just being bright isn’t that much to have in common with somebody else. There are people who imagine they’ll be happy if they can surround themselves with other people who are all as impressed with themselves (and with them) as they are, but it doesn’t work that way. The slothful can enjoy others who are slothful, gluttons can adore the company of other gluttons, and even thieves can work together towards a common goal, but the proud, as a rule, hate the proud. Pride is a prickly sort of vice, and yet bright people in our times are constantly tempted to take it up as their birthright.

By the way, I wouldn’t be too hard on yourself about not being able to make friends. A friend is a very special gift. I heard a priest once say that if you have two or even one person that you can count as a truly trusted friend, you’re doing great. With most people, there is going to be at least a little self-protective distance between them. If you’ve never broken that barrier, that does not mean you lack social skills. It may only mean you haven’t been fortunate enough to make a really great friend yet.
No disrespect to you, but I think that you have limited engineering experience, if you actually correlate the two between academics and real world. I’ve yet to see, any
honest engineering students, (or medical students); and the program is not easy. I’m in a state university, nothing easy about it.
Code:
    I've been to both trade school and academic school, I'm a certified 6G welder (XXX-Tube) T.I.G. root, 7018 Cap on high pressure steam lines for power plants.
I know the difference between the pretend university world and real world skills. The university does not, train people for real world vocation, engineering or not.

I’m going to abandon this post, as to not, hi jack the OP. I just had to throw in my two cents back at you I was interested as to what the high testing people here had to say about study skills or memory skills, ect.

Have a good week and no disrespect intended. to you
To answer your question–yes, really bright people tend to get through their homework faster. The people I have known at the very top of the class don’t need to cheat. They actually know how to do the problems and can finish the tests in the allotted time. They do have to study; the information and strategies do not just magically pour into their head. Like a gifted athlete, however, a gifted scholar tends to find his or her work satisfying. Many get a rush out of finding an elegant solution or an original insight.

Some really bright people have this tendency to talk in the way they read and write and to talk as if everyone on earth has the same aptitudes and academic background they have, and that can make other people’s eyes cross. They can come across arrogant without intending to, and they can be boring to people who have no idea what on earth they are talking about. These days, that is considered having a not-so-great social or emotional intelligence. As far as I know, that doesn’t have any necessary connection with academic aptitude, excepting that a socially-inept nuclear engineer will bore you on different topics than a socially-inept high school drop-out.
 
I was a member, back in the 90s. I had high scores on college entrance exams. I didn’t see much benefit in it, and when the president of Mensa made a public statement that abortion should be legal post womb for two years for people who had mentally challenged children, I immediately dropped my membership. This shows the type of thinking that you will get in this type of organization. They all think they are superior just because of a high I.Q. I also have a high I.Q. but don’t believe I.Q. makes you superior to anyone. I have three daughters and each has a unique talent. God makes us all with unique talents. I.Q. Is just one of many ways you can be blessed. I would suggest joining a Christian organization if you want to meet like minded people. I met my husband at Catholic Adult Singles Together–CAST. 🙂
 
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To answer your question–yes, really bright people tend to get through their homework faster. The people I have known at the very top of the class don’t need to cheat. They actually know how to do the problems and can finish the tests in the allotted time. They do have to study; the information and strategies do not just magically pour into their head. Like a gifted athlete, however, a gifted scholar tends to find his or her work satisfying. Many get a rush out of finding an elegant solution or an original insight.

**Yes.

I’d add that in more theoretical subjects (for instance math) a really brilliant person doesn’t have to memorize as hard as ordinary people, because he can (as needed) generate the formulas himself on exams, rather than needing to memorize them through brute force. (This doesn’t work in all subjects, obviously–you can’t just reason out biological facts or historical dates or plot points in novels or Russian irregular verbs.) I know somebody well who did this and really only needed to actually study math very late in his math career (for doctoral comps?).

But that is at the level where this particular guy is capable of producing original research in math, which is a very rarefied level.
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Hi everyone,

I’m not sure if this is the right place for this thread, so if it’s in the wrong place, I apologize.

Anyhow, I don’t know if anyone knows anything about MENSA, but I’ve always been told by psychologists that I’m highly gifted, and it hit me that this might explain my problem with not being able to make friends/dating etc., so I’m thinking about taking a test to join MENSA. Does anyone know what it’s like? Is it good? Or is just a waste of time? The problem I have is that many gifted people tend to be somewhat anti-religious, and I really want to meet other Catholic people, but it still might be worth a shot.

Plese don’t take this as bragging, by the way, I’m really looking for an honest opinion,
Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
I took the MENSA test on a bet with a friend of mine and ended up staying in for a couple years. Your experience will probably be pretty different based on what your local chapter is like, if you live near one. The one where I lived previously was pretty cool and I met a lot of friends and made some good business contacts there. Other groups I’ve been to haven’t been nearly as cool, though. On the whole, I’ve encountered two basic types of people in MENSA: the people who want a cookie and a certificate to acknowledge their Intellectual Superiority™, and the people who just want to get out of the house and maybe talk to some other nerds for awhile.

So, I guess you could give it a try and see what you wind up with. There were a few people that were somewhat religious in my last local group and no one every really bothered them about it. Unless you bring it up, it probably won’t come up.
 
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