"Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, And Extraterrestrial Quakers!"

[why_me]

This only explains that dishonest poeple will make more lies to cover others after they have been exposed. Simple as that!

And to go back to the fair rebuttal, Brigham said a beautiful thought in that above post. And who can argue with him? But the antimormons can cut and paste and make it all sound terrible and then, have their antimormonisms cutted and pasted on a forum like this to mock the lds church. Now who is lying? The mormons or the antimormons?

 

[dianaiad]

Answersplease,

You are one of the best researchers I have seen on this board and then you make a tragic mistake by saying

With a picture of a Klingon.

:crying:

Not in response to GurneyHallek, it’s not! (I take it you haven’t read “Dune?”)

 

[jake23]

I thought that the rebuttals handle it all rather well. Now your post is an interesting one. But I don’t think that you want to go there after the meeting of the Irish catholic leadership with Pope Benedict. You see, no one can act holier than thou. But pasting from antimormon sites is not the way to go. The rebuttals make that quite clear. All faiths have done and claimed things that may not be that intelligent but human beings are certainly not perfect.

Catching perves who go into the church is different than a soppesed prophet procaliming truths of God such as ET on the moon. Again a great example of someoen trying everything to avoid facing the truth! LOL! youre gonna have to do better than that! Thats in all cases just like one of the mormon bishops in the next town from me who is in big trouble for (name removed by moderator)regnating a twelve year old girl.

 

[Answersplease]

And to go back to the fair rebuttal, Brigham said a beautiful thought in that above post.

You must think that the people reading those rebuttals are gullible, you intentionally lead them into a wrong context.

The quotes I made from Brigham Young are clear and the context plainly evident.
Brigham Young said there was “No question of it” about there being life on the sun.

 

[Answersplease]

It is also clear and the context plainly evident that Brigham Young said his sermons were scripture so he is clearly acting as a prophet in his sermons, although a false prophet.

 

[Answersplease]

…
After all, according to Joseph Smith there are Quakers on the moon.

The facts do not back up either claim.

Look to Christ, not myths.

 

[dianaiad]

It is also clear and the context plainly evident that Brigham Young said his sermons were scripture so he is clearly acting as a prophet in his sermons, although a false prophet.

Answersplease, I realize that THIS post is pretty old, but since I got notified of the one you posted yesterday, I glanced above it and saw this.

Dang, man, hasn’t it ever occurred to you that making a claim like this will bite you in the assets EVERY time? Brigham Young did NOT say that his sermons were scripture…and it is the very context that you are mentioning here that proves it.

If you are so very certain that Mormonism is false, and that JS and BY were false prophets, then you shouldn’t be so afraid to deal with the actual reality of what they said and did not say, not this incredibly out of context and false representation you show us. Frankly, sir, your doing this indicates a couple of things you might not want people to think about: for instance, if you had actual, good, evidence for your position, you wouldn’t HAVE to take things as completely out of context as this, and if you have to resort to this sort of attack, it might be because you don’t want people to find out what we actually DO think, or what BY and JS actually DID say, in context.

Which of course would make people who weren’t already solidly cheering you on wonder what it is you are attempting to keep them from knowing.

 

[zaffiroborant]

Stephen Hawking:

Alien life, he will suggest, is almost certain to exist in many other parts of the universe: not just in planets, but perhaps in the centre of stars or even floating in interplanetary space.

I heard this yesterday on the radio and looked it up today. Seems Mr. Hawking thinks there may be life in stars.

 

[dianaiad]

After all, according to Joseph Smith there are Quakers on the moon.

The facts do not back up either claim.

Look to Christ, not myths.

Actually…

OK, Oliver Huntington wrote in his journal and in a magazine article(when he was 55 and 65 years old, respectively) that Joseph Smith’s father gave him a patriarchal blessing, when Oliver was 10, that promised that he would eventually preach to the inhabitants of the moon. It turns out that it was Oliver’s father, not Joseph Smith’s father, that gave Oliver the blessing, and it also turns out that the actual blessing was somewhat more vague than Oliver remembers (well, he couldn’t even remember who gave it to him…). The blessing actually states that he would be 'blessed to preach to the inhabitants of the moon or planets, if it shall be expedient…" That’s one place this rumor came from. Oliver also got a statement from Philo Dibble, who also remembered something Joseph said about this issue.

However, please notice that Joseph Smith was not involved in the blessing, nor does Oliver claim that he was.

Oliver states that there were rumors about what Joseph said about this…and these rumors were written close to forty years after JS was murdered. There is no actual first hand witness of JS saying this and there is NO written record of JS saying anything about the possible inhabitants of the moon. Ever.

All we have is the story of a man who remembered a blessing somewhat differently than it actually happened. As well, the idea that the moon was inhabited was fairly common, so…on to objection #2.

Objection #2: If he HAD said something like this, (and remember, there is little credible evidence to show this) then so what? Moses claimed that bats were birds and that rabbits chewed their cuds…and MOSES’ ideas made it into scripture. . Being mistaken in scientific matters does not invalidate one’s priesthood or claim to revelation…if believing in something that wasn’t scientifically accurate did that, we may as well throw all of religion into the trash basket right now.

I have gone over every accepted book of scripture that Mormons accept as such, and every conference talk, and the Journal of Discourses (yes, I even went THERE) and all my searchable references…and y’know what? Nowhere is there any hint that Joseph claimed that six foot Quakers walked on the moon.

So…there is no direct evidence that he said that, wrote that or taught that. The only indirect evidence we have came 45 to 50 years after JS’ death, but it doesn’t surprise me one bit that you would take such flimsy evidence to be gospel truth, when you are so very willing to take BY’s words so completely OUT of context that you have them meaning precisely the opposite of what BY actually intended to say, and then have the incredible chutspah to claim that the CONTEXT you are taking his words out of actually prove YOUR point.

Diana…wondering when CAF is going to provide an emoticon that depicts someone throwing one’s hands in the air.

Of course, this one works pretty good in getting the same point across…:banghead:

 

[dianaiad]

I heard this yesterday on the radio and looked it up today. Seems Mr. Hawking thinks there may be life in stars.

Why not? Who knows where life might be found?

Certainly our own planet shows us that life is not only found, but can be quite abundant, in some really extreme places–and, by the way, scientists are still looking for life on Mars, and don’t think that it is one bit unlikely that they will find it–or if not life itself, certainly evidence that it existed at some point.

As to life on the moon? Evidently not. As to Quakers on the Moon? Well…I’m not QUITE certain, but I believe that one of our present cadre of astronauts may hold a member of the religious Society of Friends. I could be wrong about that one, though. However, since it doesn’t look as if we are going back to the moon any time soon, we have time…

I know that Quakers and the military don’t get along well together, but we do have civilian astronauts.

 

[pinay]

Greetings to one and all.

Non-Mormons trying to prove LDS cannot possibly be true because they taught that there are people on the moon (I think there’s some mention about the planet Kolob or something) is the same exact logic as Non-Catholics trying to prove Catholicism cannot possibly be true because they taught that the earth was flat.

We all know both the non-Mormons and the non-Catholics in the statement above are quite silly.

 

[pinay]

One will deny and lie to you and themselves over and over again if they do not wish to see the truth and they will be annoyed of those who proclaim the truth since it is a unwanted light for them. Isnt it funny to watch the crazy responses used to avoid the truth. Its sad but at the same time so crazy you have to laugh in disbelief. Let us pray that these lost souls who cling to the false prophet will one day let go of there chains of deceit and lies and embrace Christ with the rest of us. You have to realize those who do not see the lies of JS and BY are not blind but choose not to open there eyes!

Wow, Jake. Quite a statement! It makes me feel like I have an IQ of 10. But then, with all the number of churches out there, everybody has said this at one point in time about the other church. I have to say, I am guilty of having said the same thing about the Catholics. I have grown past that now and I don’t believe that anymore of the Catholics. It gives me a much better appreciation for all church’s valiant struggle to find their way back to the Kingdom of God.

I can honestly say, I love the Roman Catholic Church that was my foundation with my eyes wide open.

I don’t think any LDS in this forum has the luxury of having their eyes closed. With all the “eye-opening” anti-LDS posts in here, I doubt they would last as LDS too long.

Peace be with you.

 

[hosemonkey]

Actually, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were planning a missionary journey to preach to the inhabitants of the Sun. When told that the Sun was violently hot, they replied that it was perfectly safe, “as they were going to go when it was dark.”

 

[Jay53]

Actually, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were planning a missionary journey to preach to the inhabitants of the Sun. When told that the Sun was violently hot, they replied that it was perfectly safe, “as they were going to go when it was dark.”

 

[zaffiroborant]

Why not? Who knows where life might be found?

I wasn’t commenting on the possibility of life on the sun just that its funny that Stephen Hawking proposes the same thing the Brigham Young did. I think it’s funny or ironic especially when set against this thread, don’t you? Come on Hawking proposes the same thing as Young, maybe the details are different but the idea is the same.

 

[TriuneUnity]

I wasn’t commenting on the possibility of life on the sun just that its funny that Stephen Hawking proposes the same thing the Brigham Young did. I think it’s funny or ironic especially when set against this thread, don’t you? Come on Hawking proposes the same thing as Young, maybe the details are different but the idea is the same.

Fair enough, but Stephen Hawking didn’t found any religion and isn’t claiming to be receiving direct revelation from God, either.

 

[TriuneUnity]

If Moses thought that hares chewed their cud, that did not make Moses any less a prophet. If the OT prophets thought that the test for an adultress was to mix dirt from the floor in a cup of water and have her drink it, so that the adultress had ‘her belly swell and her thighs rot’ but that the pure woman would ‘bear the seed,’ So what?

Are you going to compare a zoological classification based on observation with the claims made in the quoted sections of Brigham Young? Did Moses ever say that there were cud chewing rabbits on the moon??

 

[TriuneUnity]

“Extraterrestrial Quakers!?” :doh2: Now there’s a group you don’t hear a lot about! Are they located somewhere between the Cardassians, Romulans, and Klingons or near Ceti Alpha 5?
http://www.classesandcareers.com/education/wp-content/uploads/image/klingon.jpg

LOLOL…Imagine that on your Quaker Oats box. “Fiber…QAPLA!”

 

[zaffiroborant]

Fair enough, but Stephen Hawking didn’t found any religion and isn’t claiming to be receiving direct revelation from God, either.

I agree there is a world of difference between so called prophets who claim direct revelation from God that is applicable (scripture) to all people and scientists who speculate about possibilities. I just thought it was funny.

In the original post I was going to add a disclaimer stating that in no way did I believe Youngs comment on solar life added any credibility to his claim to being a prophet, maybe I should have.

 

[why_me]

Greetings to one and all.

Non-Mormons trying to prove LDS cannot possibly be true because they taught that there are people on the moon (I think there’s some mention about the planet Kolob or something) is the same exact logic as Non-Catholics trying to prove Catholicism cannot possibly be true because they taught that the earth was flat.

We all know both the non-Mormons and the non-Catholics in the statement above are quite silly.

Except that I believe Diana put the BY quote into context. However, this board is not fair when it comes to other religions. Certainly, one can find quotations of former popes that would make someone’s hair stand on end. But those quotations or silliness is overlooked by catholics on the mormon threads.

However, mormons have contributed much to the fabric of society. The emphasis on family has been second to none. The word of wisdom has set an example for people to follow and their emphasis on family home evening is now being copied by other churches or suggested by personalities such as the Rabbi Shmuley. But of course, catholics on the mormon threads can not appreciate such contributions to the human condition.