Joseph Smith's Bank

[SpeSalvi]

Utter nonsense.

Please DO NOT post something like that without backing your statement up.

Which part was utter nonsense? The entire thing? Then refute it. DO NOT just pop in, play the martyr, get indignant and huff out.

As a former member of the LDS church, I’ll agree with RebeccaJ’s statement. I’ve never met a Mormon that isn’t pro-death penalty. In fact, it surprised me when I was learning about Catholicism that Catholics in general AREN’T pro-death penalty. I figured we as Mormons were pretty on-par with Catholicism as far as being Pro-Life goes. The attitude is completely different, though; Even for the abortion debate the LDS attitude toward abortion is radically different from the Catholic attitude.

The LDS church had a very rough start (wasn’t it in Mississippi that they had the “shoot on sight” law for mormons? Top that off with Hahns Mill and other tragedies) and I can understand why the attitude of the early LDS church was so militant, but the fact is that it WAS a very militant attitude.

The thing is, the Early Christians met with more opposition than that. How many Christians were crucified? Every apostle, excluding John, died a violent death. Not once do the scriptures mention the Christians of the first and second centuries raising up an equivalent to “Zion’s Army” or having a “Mountain Meadows Massacre”.
The thing is that the LDS church does have a violent past, one that started at the very beginning of the Church. And yes, you could even justify that violence by the way the members were treated. However, it doesn’t change the fact that, in the true Christian Church, the early martyrs were true and peaceful martyrs… Not people that were ready to kill to preserve themselves.

 

[El_Confundido]

I’m expected to refute an anecdote by a bitter ex-Mormon who used it to paint all Mormons as a vengeful people?

Fine, let’s play tit-for-tat: I’m generally against the death penalty. Your turn Rebecca.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I’m expected to refute an anecdote by a bitter ex-Mormon who used it to paint all Mormons as a vengeful people?

Fine, let’s play tit-for-tat: I’m generally against the death penalty. Your turn Rebecca.

Ah, it never takes long for the Mormons to bring out the ad hominems and turn the subject to the poster rather than the subject.

I said all the Mormons I know. I don’t know you, and not sure that I would want to. Care to discuss now how your church doesn’t teach against the death penalty.

 

[TexanKnight]

Ah, it never takes long for the Mormons to bring out the ad hominems and turn the subject to the poster rather than the subject.

I said all the Mormons I know. I don’t know you, and not sure that I would want to. Care to discuss now how your church doesn’t teach against the death penalty.

Yes. When cornered, they turn angry. I like your cool and measured response. Apparently, the words “I know” escaped him.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Yes. When cornered, they turn angry. I like your cool and measured response. Apparently, the words “I know” escaped him.

Automated bias against anyone who left their cult and a strong desire to silence us. Nothing new to see here.

 

[Jerusha]

Automated bias against anyone who left their cult and a strong desire to silence us. Nothing new to see here.

So automated that when they ASSUME that a person had left the cult, when, in fact, that person had never been a member, that silencing that person becomes number one priority. After all, the HG is their trademark, and to expose that failing is a fatal error.

 

[RebeccaJ]

So automated that when they ASSUME that a person had left the cult, when, in fact, that person had never been a member, that silencing that person becomes number one priority.

Yeah, anyone who has a different experience, POV or opinion is automatically a “bitter ex-Mormon”. Which goes into telling other people about their own feelings, another common Mormon trait.

Generally I just brush it off, but there are time like this where you have to address it, bring the focus of attention back to the subject, which seems to be Mormon teaching on morality.

 

[truthsave]

Silencing someone is silencing oneself, builting a wall not to be confronted with something that if seriously taken and considered would seriously shake the foundation of one’s beliefs.
This is what mormons do. And they only realize it when they become ex mormons. Realising it means quitting mormon beliefs. It is absolutely impossible to consider as truth who really Joseph Smith was and still having faith in mormonism. Impossible. If you are a mormon and don’t believe me, just give it a try.

An ex mormon is generally bitter just for the reason that he feels had been fouled and feels he has been a fool. This is enough to have a bitterness toward himself and the other that remind him his past situation. It is not that difficult to understand.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Silencing someone is silencing oneself, builting a wall not to be confronted with something that if seriously taken and considered would seriously shake the foundation of one’s beliefs.
This is what mormons do. And they only realize it when they become ex mormons. Realising it means quitting mormon beliefs. It is absolutely impossible to consider as truth who really Joseph Smith was and still having faith in mormonism. Impossible. If you are a mormon and don’t believe me, just give it a try.

Mormons don’t take former Mormons seriously. They are taught in their Sunday school to fear becoming like us, an apostate. It is a very high and thick wall, nearly impossible to penetrate, but that is no reason for us to be silent.

 

[LivingWaters7]

Mormons don’t take former Mormons seriously. They are taught in their Sunday school to fear becoming like us, an apostate. It is a very high and thick wall, nearly impossible to penetrate, but that is no reason for us to be silent.

Interestingly, I have seen the same thing multiple times (including in this very website) in reference to ex-Catholics (not taking them seriously), as well as ex-[insert religion].

 

[Jerusha]

Mormons don’t take former Mormons seriously. They are taught in their Sunday school to fear becoming like us, an apostate.

This is one reason why they attack people like us with ad hominems, to discredit the individual. Any shortcoming in the individual then becomes a cause of apostasy, rather than a response to difficult circumstances. “Depression? Return to LDS, then you will feel better.” “Anxiety? Return to LDS, then you will feel safer.” The craziest is “Schizo thinking? Return to LDS, then you will feel normal.”

 

[Jerusha]

I have seen the same thing multiple times (including in this very website) in reference to ex-Catholics (not taking them seriously),

And some Catholics have left Catholicism because they were vulnerable to anti-Catholic lies. For example, we fully acknowledge negative aspects of our church’s history. Obviously, your response to this thread illustrates that you do not acknowledge negative aspects of your church’s history.

 

[truthsave]

Interestingly, I have seen the same thing multiple times (including in this very website) in reference to ex-Catholics (not taking them seriously), as well as ex-[insert religion].

It highly depends in what they have converted to. If they have converted to Hanry Potter as beeing a prophet and a revelator and seer they would have not been taken that seriously.

 

[LivingWaters7]

And some Catholics have left Catholicism because they were vulnerable to anti-Catholic lies.

And that is what I hear Latter-day Saints saying about some that have left The Church of Jesus Christ. This is a double standard.

For example, we fully acknowledge negative aspects of our church’s history. Obviously, your response to this thread illustrates that you do not acknowledge negative aspects of your church’s history.

Which goes into telling other people about their own feelings, another common Mormon trait.

Interesting.

 

[Jerusha]

And that is what I hear Latter-day Saints saying about some that have left The Church of Jesus Christ. This is a double standard…Interesting.

What you don’t know about Mormonism would fill many books. I am currently reading Mike Quinn’s “Mormon Hierarchy” books. Rather dry, I need to take a break once in a while.

 

[TexanKnight]

Interestingly, I have seen the same thing multiple times (including in this very website) in reference to ex-Catholics (not taking them seriously), as well as ex-[insert religion].

Ah…was wondering when the “I know you are but what am I” would surface…

 

[TexanKnight]

And that is what I hear Latter-day Saints saying about some that have left The Church of Jesus Christ. This is a double standard.

Not sure what you meant, since “The Church of Jesus Christ” is the Catholic Church.

Interesting.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Interestingly, I have seen the same thing multiple times (including in this very website) in reference to ex-Catholics (not taking them seriously), as well as ex-[insert religion].

I’ve seen it too. My family is a religious mix, and we discuss things amicably with very, very different opinions. My husband is an atheist and doesn’t take religious claims seriously, at all. But he never tries to silence me by ascribing a bitter feeling to my view of atheism.

Every Mormon that has come to this forum has done exactly the same thing. It is as predictable as the sun coming up. The confused one only took 17 posts. So it is obvious, he can’t have a conversation with former Mormons. Such people don’t last very long.

 

[LivingWaters7]

What you don’t know about Mormonism would fill many books. I am currently reading Mike Quinn’s “Mormon Hierarchy” books. Rather dry, I need to take a break once in a while.

Which does not address the point of the double standard.

As far as what I allegedly “don’t know”, I’ve probably read the same books on the Latter-day Saint faith as you have. I own and have read Quinn’s Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power and Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power. I’ve read (and own) the vast majority of critical and anti books, including the stuff by the Tanners, Isaiah Bennett’s Inside Mormonism, One Nation Under Gods, An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins, etc etc. I’ve read many critical articles, browse and/or post on forums that are critical of the LDS faith (this one, mormondiscussions, even CARM), etc. Perhaps it is best not to assume.

 

[RebeccaJ]

And that is what I hear Latter-day Saints saying about some that have left The Church of Jesus Christ. This is a double standard.

Interesting.

Ascribing feelings to another person is not the same as commenting on their lack of knowledge. Though agreed, both can be assumptions.