Joseph Smith's Bank

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Jerusha said:
This is one reason why they attack people like us with ad hominems, to discredit the individual. Any shortcoming in the individual then becomes a cause of apostasy, rather than a response to difficult circumstances. “Depression? Return to LDS, then you will feel better.” “Anxiety? Return to LDS, then you will feel safer.” The craziest is “Schizo thinking? Return to LDS, then you will feel normal.” :eek:
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I know! Just read any FAIR review of a book that doesn’t paint Mormonism in the most brightest artificial light. The author is attacked, just look what they have to say about Quinn. Not to be taken seriously because whisper he’s a homosexual. Apparently his brain fell out when he left Mormonism and came out of the closet.
 
LOL. And the dryness of his writing style has a lot to do with the psychological pressures of Mormon culture. Well, back to reading. Carry on.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
And that is what I hear Latter-day Saints saying about some that have left The Church of Jesus Christ. This is a double standard.
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Here’s my perspective. What Mormons call lies are facts. I haven’t seen an “anti-Catholic” argument that isn’t a misunderstanding of what we believe, or just plain making up what we believe.

What Mormons believe is pretty clear, I know it, was taught it. It speaks for itself. There isn’t anything to be misunderstood.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
Which does not address the point of the double standard.

As far as what I allegedly “don’t know”, I’ve probably read the same books on the Latter-day Saint faith as you have. I own and have read Quinn’s Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power and Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power. I’ve read (and own) the vast majority of critical and anti books, including the stuff by the Tanners, Isaiah Bennett’s Inside Mormonism, One Nation Under Gods, An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins, etc etc. I’ve read many critical articles, browse and/or post on forums that are critical of the LDS faith (this one, mormondiscussions, even CARM), etc. Perhaps it is best not to assume.
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if that is all you have read, then he assumed right…I know I have read more. Yet, for someone who has allegedly read all that, your comments about the LDS Church lead many of us to assume you do not know very much. No insult intended. No slight conveyed. Just an observation.
 
LivingWaters7 said:
And that is what I hear Latter-day Saints saying about some that have left The Church of Jesus Christ. This is a double standard.
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Are you saying that after a person leaves Mormonism, a Mormon’s first assumption is they left because they did not understand the teachings of Mormonism?
 
RebeccaJ said:
Mormons don’t take former Mormons seriously. They are taught in their Sunday school to fear becoming like us, an apostate. It is a very high and thick wall, nearly impossible to penetrate, but that is no reason for us to be silent.
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I remember one female mormon poster on here, who is no longer with us that made a statement that if a person is an ex-mormon, anything they say is suspect and biased, and shouldn’'t be trusted.

Regardless of whether or not what they are saying is true.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Ascribing feelings to another person is not the same as commenting on their lack of knowledge. Though agreed, both can be assumptions.
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You mean like calling an entire religion of people “vengeful”? That’s what I was pointing out in your post and that’s why I ascribed it to your being an former LDS. I know lots of ex-Mormons who are not bitter and don’t go around ascribing malicious intentions to all LDS.

Edit: I also find it interesting that I got an infraction for calling you bitter, yet your post stands calling all Mormons vengeful. Oh yeah, no double standard there whatsoever.

For what it’s worth, I’m sorry I called you bitter. I should have kept that to myself.
 
twopekinguys said:
I remember one female mormon poster on here, who is no longer with us that made a statement that if a person is an ex-mormon, anything they say is suspect and biased, and shouldn’'t be trusted.

Regardless of whether or not what they are saying is true.
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I instantly thought of her upon checking this thread this morning.

Something tells me she has graced us with her presence under a male pseudonym 😃
 
xixxvmcm85 said:
I instantly thought of her upon checking this thread this morning.

Something tells me she has graced us with her presence under a male pseudonym 😃
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You do this? If it is the case then is a kind of reincarnation thing then.🙂
 
To get this back on track, records show that Joseph started a bank when he really should not have because he said God told him to. He lost everyone’s money, was charged with crimes and sued for losses, so, Joseph did what Joseph always did when the law and society was after him- he ran.

A true Prophet of the True God would never have done this.

More proof that Joseph was not a true prophet.

at least, not a prophet of the True God
 
El_Confundido said:
You mean like calling an entire religion of people “vengeful”? That’s what I was pointing out in your post and that’s why I ascribed it to your being an former LDS. I know lots of ex-Mormons who are not bitter and don’t go around ascribing malicious intentions to all LDS.

Edit: I also find it interesting that I got an infraction for calling you bitter, yet your post stands calling all Mormons vengeful. Oh yeah, no double standard there whatsoever.

For what it’s worth, I’m sorry I called you bitter. I should have kept that to myself.
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The infraction is not my fault. I didn’t report it. I rarely report Mormon “stuff”. Proselytizing irritates me to no end, and I have reported Mormons who proselyte, including the passive-aggressive type of proselytization. My list of infractions from the mods is much longer than yours, so I’m not too quick on the report button myself.

My experience, oh confused one, is that Mormons do not know how to forgive. Even your “apology” shows this, but I accept it, for what it’s worth.

I still think Mormons have a vengeful mind frame. I give you a line from your hymn, “Praise to the Man”, which is a lamentation written after the murder of Joseph Smith by an LDS member:

“Earth must atone for the blood of that man.”

Nothing says vengeance like blood atonement.
 
twopekinguys said:
I remember one female mormon poster on here, who is no longer with us that made a statement that if a person is an ex-mormon, anything they say is suspect and biased, and shouldn’'t be trusted.

Regardless of whether or not what they are saying is true.
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Well she also thought atheists who had a positive view of Jesus Christ were Christians.

:doh2:

I don’t think she has been reincarnated. She went on her mission to England, not Guatemala.
 
TexanKnight said:
To get this back on track, records show that Joseph started a bank when he really should not have because he said God told him to. He lost everyone’s money, was charged with crimes and sued for losses, so, Joseph did what Joseph always did when the law and society was after him- he ran.

A true Prophet of the True God would never have done this.

More proof that Joseph was not a true prophet.

at least, not a prophet of the True God
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I think the best part about his running from Kirtland is his stating that he had “to escape mob violence, which was about to burst upon us under the color of legal process to cover the hellish designs of our enemies”.

…people bought it then, and still do today.
 
Don’t forget D&C121: 11, 14-.23
…And they who do charge thee with transgressions, their hope shall be blasted, and their prospects shall melt away as the hoar frost melteth before the burning rays of the rising sun;…
That** they may be disappointed also, and their hopes may be cut off;
And not may years hence, that they and their posterity shall be swept from under heaven, saith God, that not one of them is left to stand by the wall:
Cursed are all those that shall lift up the heel against thine anointed, saith the Lord, and cry they have sinned when they have not sinned before me, saith the Lord, but have done that which was meet in mine eyes, and which I commanded them; **
But those who cry transgression, do it because they are the servants of sin, and are the children of disobedience themselves;
And those who swear falsely against my servants, that they might bring them into bondage, and death:
Wo unto them; because they have offended my little ones, they shall be severed form the ordinances of mine house;
Their basket shall not be full, their houses and their barns shall perish, and they themselves shall be despised by those that flattered them;
They shall not have right to the Priesthood, nor their posterity after them, from generation to generation;
It had been better for them that a millstone had been hanged about their necks, and they drowned in the depth of the sea.
Wo unto all those that discomfort my people, and drive, and murder and testify against them, saith the Lord of Hosts; a generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell.
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A very harsh curse that Joseph Smith thought he had the power to put on those who would interfere with his works, “from generation to generation.” I wonder what percent of the LDS population consider this to be important? After all, it is (apparently) JS’s own words.

As a native of Hancock County Illinois, with deep and continuous roots in that county, it is a rather chilling discovery.

Oh-- I don’t believe in the death penalty.
 
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