joyce meyer

[robwar]

Are you referring to my post?

1 ) I never called anyone rude.

1. Shocker- Converted from Baptist (I’m sure you’re not surprised)
2. I’ve never bashed the mass, called it boring or filled with old sick people. I love the tradition and reverence it displays.
3. I don’t believe anyone in this thread mocked the Eucharist or Catholics. I believe someone said they were saddened by some Catholic attitudes towards others.
4. Your last statement is erroneous.

I am not at all referring to your posts. I probably should have quoted but they are in some of the previous posts on this thread.

 

[robwar]

I’m a convert to the Catholic faith. I joined in my 20’s reverted in my 30’s. I was not raised in a once saved always saved church so I have never understood that. I was raised to stay away from sin and when I failed to ask God to forgive me. Maybe being a convert I have a different take on this. Joyce Meyers is not my cup of tea but my sister a non-catholic likes her and maybe she helps bring her closer to God. You never know who God may use to bring you closer to him and hopefully to the church at some point. I do know that I have loved Jesus since I was a child and had a very spritaul experience at 13. I think other Christians have a deep love for Christ. I went to a fundraisier last night for the local crisis pregnancy center. The speaker was not catholic she didn’t bash any faith and if I won’t have went I would have missed her amazing story of conversion on Life issues. I believe if you know your Catholic faith and study that, no one can lead you away. Other Christian have good messages to share and some of them are much more devoted to Christ than some Catholics I know. Just my opinion.

Wendy,
I appreciate your post, I think there is some confusion here. The original question is should Catholics listen to Joyce Meyers. That is different than having your sister-in-law who may listen to her and watch her or your obviously wonderful work with a crisis pregnancy center and working with other Christians in that effort. Your sister-in-law isn’t Catholic. While Joyce Meyers maybe helpful to her, Joyce and Joel underlying message is a heresy call the health/wealth word of faith/ name it claim it and it is a heresy and consider such by many Protestant as well as Catholics. There are many more Protestant that condemn this stuff than Catholics. This is different than having Protestant friends and working with others in places like a crisis pregnancy center. Yes there are many wonder and devout Protestants out there that can put a number of Catholics to shame. I use to believe in Kenneth Hagen, read his books and followed him. This stuff is heresy and it leads you not the Christ as you get into it. I have thrown away all his and others books.
As I grow in my faith as a Catholic, the more I want and have put the past junk behind me.
Catholic don’t need to listen to the latest versions like Joyce and Joel and support them.
We have so many wonderful things in our Catholic faith, don’t waste it on heresy.

 

[4_syro_malabar]

Wendy,
I appreciate your post, I think there is some confusion here. The original question is should Catholics listen to Joyce Meyers. That is different than having your sister-in-law who may listen to her and watch her or your obviously wonderful work with a crisis pregnancy center and working with other Christians in that effort. Your sister-in-law isn’t Catholic. While Joyce Meyers maybe helpful to her, Joyce and Joel underlying message is a heresy call the health/wealth word of faith/ name it claim it and it is a heresy and consider such by many Protestant as well as Catholics. There are many more Protestant that condemn this stuff than Catholics. This is different than having Protestant friends and working with others in places like a crisis pregnancy center. Yes there are many wonder and devout Protestants out there that can put a number of Catholics to shame. I use to believe in Kenneth Hagen, read his books and followed him. This stuff is heresy and it leads you not the Christ as you get into it. I have thrown away all his and others books.
As I grow in my faith as a Catholic, the more I want and have put the past junk behind me.
Catholic don’t need to listen to the latest versions like Joyce and Joel and support them.
We have so many wonderful things in our Catholic faith, don’t waste it on heresy.

Spot on bro! All these tely-preachers look same and their shows end with own product marketing including weekly offers and short cuts to heaven! its a no -go zone for all catholics, absolutely!

 

[Bix]

I am not at all referring to your posts. I probably should have quoted but they are in some of the previous posts on this thread.

Thank you. I was a little confused.

My apologies.
God Bless~

 

[Mickey]

Show me one place where He said: “Go and suffer well, it will make you a better person”. You will not find it.

Matt. 10:38 - “he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.”

Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34 - “if any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”

Luke 14:27 - "whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple

Rom. 8:16-17 - For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God. And if sons, heirs also; heirs indeed of God, and joint heirs with Christ: yet so, if we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.

Phil. 1:29 -For unto you it is given for Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him.

1 Peter 2:19-21 - For this is thankworthy, if for conscience towards God, a man endure sorrows, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if committing sin, and being buffeted for it, you endure? But if doing well you suffer patiently; this is thankworthy before God. For unto this are you called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving you an example that you should follow his steps.

1 Peter 4:1-2 - Christ therefore having suffered in the flesh, be you also armed with the same thought: for he that hath suffered in the flesh, hath ceased from sins: That now he may live the rest of his time in the flesh, not after the desires of men, but according to the will of God.

 

[rainman10]

If Catholicism is the right idea, nothing should be able to keep people away.

Ever hear of Satan? Divide and conquer?

 

[rainman10]

GraceDK:
I have to ask. Why are you Catholic???

 

[rainman10]

I hear you brother… I hear you very well.

I also have found strengths and richness in the Evangelical churches which we often lack in most Catholic parishes…
And these things are maybe secondary but they certainly are not minor… wherefore I will keep having the company of Evangelicals and join their meetings and services if I again have the opportunity…
I have for some periods in my life been going to Pentecostal and messianic congregations, and have there experienced things which humbled me as a Catholic who came with some pride and wanted to teach them,… I was the one who was inspired by them… and since they were most often just using the Bible in their sermons and talk, I could find little fault with their words… (Mind you we do not have the same problem with anti-Catholicism here in Europe that many Americans seem to experience and neither are we Catholics scared of our Protestant brethren.)

I know for a fact that many Evangelicals admire Catholics… and that many Catholics admire Evangelicals. I know because I experienced this. The first time I was in my Pentecostal cell group one young man said: “Hey Grace, its so cool that you are here… it was a Catholic saint that evangelised this country!” Everything took place in this spirit of friendship and mutual affection. I have met others again who willingly read my Catholic books, discussed Scripture with me, went and prayed in my church with me, and did you know Theresa of Avila is quite popular in some evangelical groups now?

. How I wish we could all come together more and admit that we need each others gifts in order to have the fullness of the parish life that we all long for… They certainly need our Sacraments, we certainly need their wisdom on evangelisation, preaching and fellowship… and faith really…

I met a normal evangelical man who came to pick up his kid from daycare. The daycare lady sat him down and said: “Im sorry, you have to find another one to take care of Joey, because I have gotten cancer”. The man said calmly: “We have a God who performs miracles. Do you mind if I pray for you?” And so he prayed for her right then and there… and she was healed. This was not a story about a munk from the middle ages, but a normal married man anno 2005 who told me of his own experience.

Another man in my vicinity, a farmer, experienced a horrible accident where his little boy was driven over and died on the spot. The father lifted up his boy, ran into the house with him and screemed to God for 30-40 minutes and the boy became tranformed and “rose from the dead” before his eyes… Again, this happend to a normal family some 15-20 years ago.

Such testimonies were widespread in the Church that I attended… and there were many young people who were on fire with the Gospels and joyful… not just young women mind you, but both genders… I was really impressed. And I will not keep a lid on it!
They need the Sacraments, yes…but they should not come into our churches and be starved in many other ways as a result…
We need reevangelisation among ourselves if we wanna convince other Christians to join us.
God bless you brother

So then we need to have chaos with everyone speaking in tongues, each one louder than the other trying to outdo the rest, have altar calls, make the preacher the focus of our masses and have loud bands playing their music so loud that it hurts your ears?

NO THANKS!!! I like it when we have Jesus, and Jesus only, as the focus of our worship. We go to celebrate Jesus at mass, AND NOTHING ELSE.

 

[rainman10]

Maybe I’m not being as ‘charitable’ as I should, but I am in genuine pain over what I see here.

This post will be misunderstood; people will continue bashing whom they please.

Thanks to this thread, and others like it, I now understand atheists.

I now understand widespread dislike of Catholics.

The same people who claim to defend private property bash ‘prosperity’ — but only if a successful Protestant speaks about it. (and yet these same people continue to say we need to ‘help the poor.’ If everyone’s poor—how?) This is too big a discord for me to swallow.

I am appalled by what I see. Joyce Meyer says over and over, that it is un-Christian to be jealous of another’s success. She is right. Trashing her or Tim Tebow or Whitney Houston is not only wrong, but it is not Catholic.

Would Benedict say what many of you are saying? In the way that you are saying it?

Since I was a small child, I WANTED to be a Catholic. Had I joined CAF, and seen what Catholics are really like, I doubt I would have entered RCIA.

Yet I am no troll. Look at my post count. My stand on issues has been much the same since I joined, though I now struggle to be kinder than in the past, and mostly fail.

I am a person being driven away from the Church by those IN the Church.

No Protestant could drive me from this forum OR the church. It took Catholics to accomplish that.

It is not about the people, it is about the Church and what the Church teaches. If you are going to judge a church by what the people do, good luck in finding the church with all the perfect people, because it does not exist. You may as well stay home and start your own one man church, so you don’t have to deal with the other people. We are all sinners, none of us are perfect.

Someone has to defend the Church that Jesus Christ started. There are too many people out there who criticize it, including Catholics, who have no clue what they are even talking about. I went to a Pentecostal church for about 2 years and to hear the preacher teach about what the Catholic Church teaches just made me sick. He is supposed to teach his people the truth, not his opinion. His congregation was being lied to, mislead into believing things about the Catholic Church that were not true. I am sure this goes on in many protestant churches.

If you consider defending the Catholic Church as slander against protestants, then by what I have read on this thread from you, you are slandering the Catholic Church. It goes both ways.

 

[rainman10]

that is very sad, I am not sure what you mean by bashing Whitney Houston. She died by abusing drugs and alcohol and what her lifestyle lead her into. If you think that the Catholic Church is the one true Church of Christ then you would join and it is not based on good or bad behavior of anyone else, in or out of the Church. There are good and bad CAtholics as well as Protestants. This is not the what is being discussed here. I did not join the Catholic Church because I thought all Catholics follow their faith perfectly. Why I joined the one true Church that is established by Christ. Receiving Jesus, body and soul and divinity is more than enough. God loves us but He loves us enough not to leave us as we are but to change us. Instead of listening to Joyce Meyers why don’t you read and listen and research the Catholic faith, the many wonderful Saints and the many wonderful books out there that explain the faith. I am feeling sorry for you and I am praying for you. You are letting your own anger keep you out. That is the problem when you have spent too much time listening to heresy of the “property Gospel”. i’ve been there and done that. God Bless you and I am praying for you.

Amen.

 

[Jeanne_S]

I am curious to know how many of you that have posted in defense of Joyce Meyers are converts to the Catholic faith? I ask this in all sincerity as one who has a husband that converted six years ago,in addition to several friends who have done the same.I am curious because I have had numerous discussions with my husband and aforementioned friends re matters of the faith,things they don’t"get",they still defend sola scripture,etc. I would like to know what drew you to the Catholic faith?Do you believe that Christ instituted the Catholic faith?Do you believe that thevCatholic faith holds the fullness of truth? Thanks,and God Bless,

 

[Luvtosew]

I’m a cradle Catholic over 50 yrs and I like Joyce Meyers.

 

[PLeeD]

This is the whole point of being Catholic and heeding the call to have a heart for unity also, that you do not stand silent when a brother or sister is slandered or generalizations made.

 

[Lifesong]

For what it is worth I am a convert who after years of being a lukewarm Methodist became a committed Christian five years ago when my daughter became ill. Joyce Meyer was a big part of my reconnection to God and Christ. She knows the Bible from a practical perspective better than anyone I have heard. Most of her teachings are very practical about living and enjoying everyday life. I know she is called “prosperity” Gospel but one of her sayings is “there is no such thing as a padded cross”. I have heard little in her practical teaching as opposed to any actual theology she may state which is fairly little which is inconsistent with Catholic teaching. I am now in RCIA and last Lent when I was discerning the call to the Church it was a statement of Joyce Meyer’s that if something is from the Holy Spirit, try it, and if it is not you will know. That gave me the courage to attend my first Mass all by myself with not a clue what I was doing I am not sure how happy she would be that she influenced my conversion but the Lord works in mysterious ways! I brought a very lapsed cradle Catholic husband back to the Church too- the Lord is indeed good! I cannot wait until Easter Vigil! But back to Joyce, I still download her podcasts from time to time- I think Catholics can walk and chew gum at the same time and can discern practical Christian wisdom from theological error and as the Pope says take what is good.

God Bless,

Val

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Finger-pointing does not lead people to the Catholic Church. To the contrary, it drives them away, makes the church seem like a private club, or worse, high school all over again.

I’m worn out.

When I stay off CAF, my interest in Catholic doctrine rises. Too much exposure here, and I want to run away.

Protestants have doctrinal differences with Catholics. That’s all. Period.

I do not believe their articles of faith, I do not want to attend their services. But Protestants are still Christians. They still do good in the world.

Surely Jesus was attracting people, not repelling them.

And at least Joyce Meyer et al are not the ones voting and voicing time and again in support of abortion on demand, homosexual ‘marriage,’ and marxism.

I’m done. God bless, and have a great Easter.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

It is highly recomended we stay on the topic of the OP and post CHARITIBLY at all times.

 

[Bix]

Is a large section of this thread missing or am I hallucinating?

 

[King_Lazy]

**I have two questions to pose:**1. How does the Church and/or other Catholics in this forum feel about Joyce Meyer the TV preacher? When I’m channel surfing I’ll come across her show and she seems very inspirational and I feel really uplifted after watching. I am a devout Church going Catholic who wants to know if I should watch or keep surfing.

This is an old thread, but since it’s been resurrected, I’ll say that I actually remember surfing through the Christian channels on TV and discovering Joyce Meyer back when I didn’t believe in God.

I found her to be interesting, inspirational, humorous and wise, and I’d watch her from time to time. From what I remember of her show, what she taught was very practical and generally in line with Catholic teaching, and she certainly played at least a small part in my conversion.

She’s definitely better than the con artists and showmen who take up so much Christian TV airtime. I still shudder at my recollections of Benny Hinn.

 

[Mickey]

From what I remember of her show, what she taught was very practical and generally in line with Catholic teaching

If I am not mistaken…she is a word/faith charismatic. That would mean that she is sola Scriptura and rejects subjects such as: Intercession of the Saints, prayers for the dead, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, the ever virginity of the Virgin Mary, purgatory, the Immaculate Conception, Papal infallibility, The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the Sacraments of the Church, etc, etc, etc…

So I do not think that “what she taught was generally in line with Catholic teaching.”

 

[robwar]

If I am not mistaken…she is a word/faith charismatic. That would mean that she is sola Scriptura and rejects subjects such as: Intercession of the Saints, prayers for the dead, the Assumption of the Virgin Mary, the ever virginity of the Virgin Mary, purgatory, the Immaculate Conception, Papal infallibility, The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the Sacraments of the Church, etc, etc, etc…

So I do not think that “what she taught was generally in line with Catholic teaching.”

amen! her underlying message beneath it all is the Kenneth Hagen “Write your own ticket with God” stuff. Yes she is appealing and funny and seems very practical but if you really dig deeper she is not the best model for CAtholics. There are just so many wonderful examples and books to read and study and learn, it will take and life time and not even scratch the surface. The wealth she has earned off all these books and seminars should be concerning to everyone.