JPII now baptised by proxy by LDS

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Apparently, someone or several people in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints have been baptised on behalf of the departed Pope John Paul II since his passing. My sources are the following:

sunstoneonline.com/magazine/mag-issue-142.asp

fairboards.org/index.php?showtopic=19521&st=0

For those unaware of this practice, the Mormons perform baptisms on behalf of the departed with the idea in mind that those who were not Latter-Day Saints in this life, and who did not have a proper opportunity in this life to learn of and to accept the gospel of Mormonism, will have such an opportunity in the next life. Because baptism, confirmation, and other ordinances must be performed by people living in ‘mortality’ (this present realm of existence), Mormons perform such baptisms by proxy on behalf of the departed. In Mormon doctrine, this does not ‘obligate’ the departed soul to anything but gives them the opportunity to accept the proxy ordinances if they choose to do so in the next life.

My personal perception of this is that while it may be a vain gesture on the part of the LDS, it is harmless and reflects well on the LDS to make such a gesture. By the same token, I hope that more than a few Roman Catholics will say prayers or have Masses performed on behalf of LDS Church leaders or other Mormons in their person sphere of acquaintance, as they pass on to the next life.

Any other thoughts?
I’m sure His Holiness is honored. Nevertheless, while it may be harmless to His Holiness, these practices should always be condemned outright as they are definately not harmless to those who practice them. As far as reflecting well on the LDS- “well” in wht regard? That it shows the world more clearly their superstitious and arrogant nature? Why would anyone do anything but condemn such an evil act?
 
How so? (BTW, a lot of non-Jews were also killed in the “Shoah”). The Mormons aren’t baptizing your dead to insult your religion. They baptize the dead from any religion. Why not let them practice their religious beliefs?
Mormons baptizing the dead is akin to Catholics offering Masses for the dead.
the baptizing of our dead IS an insult to our religion. That their intent may be otherwise doesn’t change that. And it is not true (by a longshot) that they can’t practice their religion without “baptizing” people who have nothing to do with their religion. The LDS Church has agreed to stop the practice. On paper,. In reality, it continues.
 
also if JPII did not believe in your baptisms (as seen above) **why **would you guys baptise him by proxy???
It gives him the opportunity to accept it in the next life if he chooses to.

zerinus
 
It gives him the opportunity to accept it in the next life if he chooses to.

zerinus
:rotfl: that is a good one…
I do wonder how many “brownie points” some mormon got for this :whacky: idea(baptism of dead people who are not mormon by proxy)?!?!
 
the baptizing of our dead IS an insult to our religion. That their intent may be otherwise doesn’t change that. And it is not true (by a longshot) that they can’t practice their religion without “baptizing” people who have nothing to do with their religion. The LDS Church has agreed to stop the practice. On paper,. In reality, it continues.
Why should it be an “insult to your religion”? It has absolutely nothing to do with your religion at all. It has to do only with our religion. The only reason why it might offend you would be if you were not sure of your own religion. You can go and baptize as many deceased Mormons as you like. Let me assure you that we will not be offended one little bit.

zerinus
 
Why should it be an “insult to your religion”? It has absolutely nothing to do with your religion at all. It has to do only with our religion. The only reason why it might offend you would be if you were not sure of your own religion. You can go and baptize as many deceased Mormons as you like. Let me assure you that we will not be offended one little bit.

zerinus
so why do you “push” your religion on others??? Especially after they are dead and cant tell you take a hike??

Here is another GREAT article
jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html
 
Why should it be an “insult to your religion”? It has absolutely nothing to do with your religion at all. It has to do only with our religion. The only reason why it might offend you would be if you were not sure of your own religion. You can go and baptize as many deceased Mormons as you like. Let me assure you that we will not be offended one little bit.

zerinus
You are baptising dead jews to give the “opportunity” to renounce judaism in the hereafter. Just deal with the fact that it is incredibly insulting. You don’t have to agree with it. But if you are fooling yourself if you think this practice is not hurtful and insulting to jews.
 
Maybe we can work something out with local mortuaries where we will have the opportunity to circumsize dead mormons, so that they will have the opportunity to accept the covenant.
 
Why should it be an “insult to your religion”? It has absolutely nothing to do with your religion at all. It has to do only with our religion. The only reason why it might offend you would be if you were not sure of your own religion. You can go and baptize as many deceased Mormons as you like. Let me assure you that we will not be offended one little bit.

zerinus
Do Mormons read actual scripture at all? Baptising the dead is an insult to Jews such as Valke for the same reason it is an insult to Catholics. We are “historically” offended. The sense of insult certainly did not begin with us. In fact, if Mormons read scripture they would not question for a moment that Mormonism offends Jews and Catholics. For the same reason that Elijah was so seriously offended by Baal and Ahab. All those many years ago. Seriously superstitious and offensive religions did not orginate with Joseph Smith. They have been around for thousands of years. 👍
 
Maybe we can work something out with local mortuaries where we will have the opportunity to circumsize dead mormons, so that they will have the opportunity to accept the covenant.
From what I was reading on the OP’s link one needs mega computer space for that. Perhaps we could convince IBM to develop storage capacity for that. Apparently God can’t keep it straight who is a Mormon and who isn’t. He needs Intel processors.:rolleyes:
 
It gives him the opportunity to accept it in the next life if he chooses to.

zerinus
I have already retained a lawyer and provided funds for a lawsuit against the LDS Church if you try it on me -

Let me state for you now I reject Smith and his followers and his heretical teachings religion Now and Forever amen
 
Dosdog,

We cant reject the followers as they are merely mislead.

We can state that Smith was a false prophet. That is the only way we can really state it IMHO.

The “fruits” of his witness leave much to be desired. This ritual they preform is only one of many things that show us how deprived of truth they are.

We ought to pray for them feverishly.
 
Dosdog,

We cant reject the followers as they are merely mislead.

We can state that Smith was a false prophet. That is the only way we can really state it IMHO.

The “fruits” of his witness leave much to be desired. This ritual they preform is only one of many things that show us how deprived of truth they are.

We ought to pray for them feverishly.
FALSE RELIGIOUS DENOMINATIONS
catholicapologetics.net/apolo_48.htm
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Let me repeat I reject Smith and his followers and his heretical teachings Now and Forever Amen
 
Mormon “baptisms” are meaningless to anybody who isn’t mormon. They mean nothing to the rest of us. THey can baptise anybody they want, but we are already members of the Body of Christ.
God knows where our hearts are, and He is the only one who counts.
 
You are baptising dead jews to give the “opportunity” to renounce judaism in the hereafter. Just deal with the fact that it is incredibly insulting. You don’t have to agree with it. But if you are fooling yourself if you think this practice is not hurtful and insulting to jews.
Like I said, it can be only insulting to you if you are not sure of your own religion.

zerinus
 
Maybe we can work something out with local mortuaries where we will have the opportunity to circumsize dead mormons, so that they will have the opportunity to accept the covenant.
LOL; I am curcumcised, and I am a living Mormon not a dead one. You are welcome to go and circumcise all the dead Mormons if you like.

zerinus
 
Do Mormons read actual scripture at all? Baptising the dead is an insult to Jews such as Valke for the same reason it is an insult to Catholics. We are “historically” offended. The sense of insult certainly did not begin with us. In fact, if Mormons read scripture they would not question for a moment that Mormonism offends Jews and Catholics. For the same reason that Elijah was so seriously offended by Baal and Ahab. All those many years ago. Seriously superstitious and offensive religions did not orginate with Joseph Smith. They have been around for thousands of years. 👍
Certainly it is true that all false, dead, and apostate religions are offended at true ones. That is a valid observation: “… And they were offended at him” (Mark 6:3).

zerinus
 
Like I said, it can be only insulting to you if you are not sure of your own religion.

zerinus
It’s insulting that Mormons “baptised” the Pope after his death because it completely disrespects what Pope John Paul II taught and believed. If the Mormons who decided to do this, did so because they thought PJPII was a good man, instead of doing their dead baptism ceremony they should investigate how a man so obviously filled with Christ could have been entirely shaped by Christ’s goodness in a supposedly apostate Church.
 
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