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jen_fla
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there have been some articles online showing investigations revealing that many accusations against clergy have proven to be false, yet i’m not holding my breath to hear about it via mainstream sources.
In a stunning ten-page declaration recently submitted to the Los Angeles County Superior Court, veteran attorney Donald H. Steier stated that his investigations into claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have uncovered vast fraud and that his probes have revealed that many accusations are completely false.
read more here
In a stunning ten-page declaration recently submitted to the Los Angeles County Superior Court, veteran attorney Donald H. Steier stated that his investigations into claims of sexual abuse by Catholic priests have uncovered vast fraud and that his probes have revealed that many accusations are completely false.
read more here
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Dakota_Roberts
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:clapping:
Do you know where I can find this 10 page paper?
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steboyz
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**Abused accusations have been so false that my parish must now pay an abused person $3,000,000.00 and one accuser just got $1,700,000.00 from a small parish in Maryland that is part of the Diocese of Wilmington(de).Lets not kid ourselves.These false abuse victims are doing pretty good here on Delaware.I am tired of reading these defending our church postings
when many of the victims are telling the truth.As far as I am concerned our church has no defense!ger **
when many of the victims are telling the truth.As far as I am concerned our church has no defense!ger **
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PbloPicasso
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Take it from one abused, and former seminarian. The accusations are accurate to my recollection. The seminary was full of young gay men that disturbed me. I should not have been surprised not only when my perpetrator molested me until I could get away, but also when the Diocese buried me along with my vocation to the priesthood. The “Professional Catholics” employed by the Diocese are equally guilty for attempting to destroy the body of Christ. They also buries, also evident by a recent lie told about me to our pastor, which had to be corrected. The man should have been fired for the level of deceit, but is still employed and in a position of respect as DRE. Shame on the leadership for not defending the children, potential priests and all of us. It’s not necessarily that the numbers are huge but that the position those few hold that keep the scandals running. And don’t look just at the bishops, though they are the final responsible. Many people are not reporting to the bishop what should be reported.
If anyone has watched the last few segments on RealCatholic.com they’d know what I’m talking about. A few bishops are known to be supportive of “Gay Rights” and other evils tormenting the world. It made me sick to hear who they are and that they’re still active.
I was such a goody 2 shoe that I never filed a law suit, even after returning. I do however pray for the souls of all that I believe were involved. I could sure use a retirement fund though.
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BlueSapphire
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Good for you to pray for the souls of the abusers, you are indeed acting on the words of Jesus when he said to pray for those who persecute us. I too am a victim of abuse along with several of my siblings, not by the clergy but by a family member - I have prayed for his soul, he is now deceased!
Take it from one abused, and former seminarian. The accusations are accurate to my recollection. The seminary was full of young gay men that disturbed me. I should not have been surprised not only when my perpetrator molested me until I could get away, but also when the Diocese buried me along with my vocation to the priesthood. The “Professional Catholics” employed by the Diocese are equally guilty for attempting to destroy the body of Christ. They also buries, also evident by a recent lie told about me to our pastor, which had to be corrected. The man should have been fired for the level of deceit, but is still employed and in a position of respect as DRE. Shame on the leadership for not defending the children, potential priests and all of us. It’s not necessarily that the numbers are huge but that the position those few hold that keep the scandals running. And don’t look just at the bishops, though they are the final responsible. Many people are not reporting to the bishop what should be reported.
If anyone has watched the last few segments on RealCatholic.com they’d know what I’m talking about. A few bishops are known to be supportive of “Gay Rights” and other evils tormenting the world. It made me sick to hear who they are and that they’re still active.
I was such a goody 2 shoe that I never filed a law suit, even after returning. I do however pray for the souls of all that I believe were involved. I could sure use a retirement fund though.
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jen_fla
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i haven’t really had the time to dig around google to find it, but i would contact the attorney’s office that submitted it: Donald H Steier. he’s in la, california. if you find it could you please post a link?
thanks.
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gus
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There are currently over 1200 registered sex offenders living in the Phoenix
In the John Jay report on the Clerical sex abuse scandel there where 1100 priests named over a 50 year period.
This is in a country of over 50million catholics who educated an average of over 3million children per year.
over half of those priest had one complaint ranging from extemely minor to severe.
In the John Jay report on the Clerical sex abuse scandel there where 1100 priests named over a 50 year period.
This is in a country of over 50million catholics who educated an average of over 3million children per year.
over half of those priest had one complaint ranging from extemely minor to severe.
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gus
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Is it anti-clericalism or anti-catholicism. I’m told the although I never personally checked these figures are about the same as any institution over the same period
I would agree that if its a Catholic priest or a fundamental minister the story becomes much larger.
I think its because these two institutions are most opposed to the current culture. That every opportunity to discredit them is taken.
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infoguy
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Actually, if you look carefully, links to images of all of the relevant pages are in the story:
themediareport.com/jan2011/special-steier-declaration.htm
[Full disclosure: I am the author of the article at TheMediaReport.com. I haven’t posted here in quite a while, and I was happy to visit and see that someone here saw my article. Thanks!]
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Dakota_Roberts
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Thank you for helping this blind foolActually, if you look carefully, links to images of all of the relevant pages are in the story:
themediareport.com/jan2011/special-steier-declaration.htm
[Full disclosure: I am the author of the article at TheMediaReport.com. I haven’t posted here in quite a while, and I was happy to visit and see that someone here saw my article. Thanks!]
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EmperorNapoleon
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The context is that they happened. Thats the only context anyone needs to know.
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Dakota_Roberts
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yeah um…
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irishpatrick
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That is the only context? Nothing else matters? If it happened on time across 50 years that would be too many, but would that not be something to know? In other words, proper context and fair numbers abd reporting does in fact matter!
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EmperorNapoleon
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No, it doesn’t. The only thing that matters is that it happened. Not but x is worse or y does it more as if you’re proud of it. Why can’t the apologetic figures come to terms with it without pointing a finger at someone else or some other religious sect?
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Raskolnikov
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The context in which a crime is committed is always very pertinent to the evaluation of the crime itself. In fact, it is the implied context of the abuse scandals that is the basis for much of the negative coverage of the Catholic Church in the media; that is, the idea that child abuse is tremendously disproportionately rampant in the Catholic Church. When the court of public opinion often threatens to condemn the Church in its entirety (thereby tarnishing the majority of priests who are innocent), context is in fact very important in evaluating the nature of the situation. To simply say that all that matters is that the abuse happened, that’s all that matters, and no collective shaming of the Church is too harsh a punishment is to apply a standard that would never be applied to any other segment of society disproportionately responsible for some kind of problem (and part of the ‘context’ debate is figuring out whether or to what extent child abuse is committed with disproportionate frequency by Catholic clergy).
You should also note that putting things into proper context is not the same as trying to pawn the guilt off on someone else or diminish responsibility for the crimes which were committed. Some people attempt to do the latter, which is shameful; but I don’t see what’s wrong with the former. Also, this contextualizing of child abuse committed by Catholic clergy (for the most part) is not directed at defending the priests who committed the horrible crimes, but rather at defending the innocent majority from being tarnished by the crimes of others.
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EmperorNapoleon
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That was never the direct or implied context on the part of the media. What the media criticism focused on was how these cases were handled not how many there were. Raw numbers, percentages, and comparrisons were brought into the discussion by the apologists not the media. The overwhelming response to the media criticisms of how the Catholic Church handled sexual abuse cases was to throw Protestants under the bus by pointing a finger at how they handled sexual abuse and tossing out related percentages from those sects. Why can’t there be an acknowledgement of the gross mishandling of sex abuse cases without a “but?”
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NewsTheMan
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Because before we can apologize we need to know and decide on what we are apologizing for.
If you believe the secular media we would be apologizing for promotion of peadophilia, for having a pervert Pope, for teaching that peadophilia is okay, for letting all our priests molest children.
And if you deny the above is what people (after the most recent media reports) believe you live in La-La Land. Go to any secular message board with a Religion section and see the accusations from people who constantly cite news reports as their proof.
We have to acknowledge the wrongs - which people will persecute us for anyway.
Unfortunately for the Catholic Church we have a kind of catch 22 situation:
The media distorted so much that we had to go on the defensive and do damage control for the lies and truth distortions - which came across as insensitive and evil and the media portrayed as even more proof of cover ups. But at the same time if we just ignored the distortions and often outright lies, we would not only be doormats and people would persecute us even more, we would be accepting what is false and letting it exist in the world - which is the antithesis to Catholic teaching which is promotion of truth.
So either way in the situation, we were going to be nailed.
Had the media been honest, fair and truthful in their reporting this whole issue would not have been an issue. But as we all know that is not good for selling newspapers.
I recognize mistakes were made and that members of the clergy did evil, evil things. But I will not sit back and let people accuse my Church of promotion of peadophilia, calling the Pope a pervert, calling all priests Satan worshiping kiddie fiddlers. No. It’s wrong. This is my family. Imagine someone in your family robbed a bank and suddenly everybody, from brother to 2nd cousin living 1000miles away, was put in jail and beaten for it. Makes no sense.
And this post has entertained the media lie that the scandals were all based around peadophilia - in my research in fact the ages of the abused was around 12-16 which is not peadophilia it is hebephilia. But imagine what goes through peoples heads when the media gets away with saying “Priest Peadophile” - people suddenly see a man with sharp teeth and a snake tongue doing evil things to a toddler.
If the media was honest, and if people like you was honest and actually did your research (and citing a BBC report does not count as research) Catholic apologists wouldn’t need to focus on the damage control from the lies.
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