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koranist
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I meant Jewish activism in the USA. You obviously don’t know much about politics.
But good for you
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But good for you
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kelleyclip
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I’ve read some of the posts on here but I’d like to add something more:
As a Catholic, I believe it is only right for Christians of any denomination to support our Jewish brothers and sisters. If we were still waiting for the Messiah wouldn’t we all still be Jewish? Christians should not persecute Jews in any way, shape or form. The children of Israel are God’s chosen people, we should respect that. A great way for Christians interested in Jewish traditions is to look up sites like Jews for Jesus jewsforjesus.org (Messianic Jews). I consider myself a Messianic Catholic because I celebrate Jewish and Christian holidays, I imagine the apostles did the same thing.
As a Catholic, I believe it is only right for Christians of any denomination to support our Jewish brothers and sisters. If we were still waiting for the Messiah wouldn’t we all still be Jewish? Christians should not persecute Jews in any way, shape or form. The children of Israel are God’s chosen people, we should respect that. A great way for Christians interested in Jewish traditions is to look up sites like Jews for Jesus jewsforjesus.org (Messianic Jews). I consider myself a Messianic Catholic because I celebrate Jewish and Christian holidays, I imagine the apostles did the same thing.
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chosen_people
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The interconnection between Judaism and the Catholic Church is a result of Christianity viewing itself as a redefinition (the Christian would perhaps say refinement) of Judaism. This is of course not a mutual perspective, Judaism in no way defines itself in relationship to Christianity and has no theological interconnection with Christianity. The Jew sees the world in view of Jews and non-Jews. A Christian is no more or less a non-Jew than say a Moslem. This concept is hard for the Christian to accept. The Jews concern with the Christian has been only in as much as certain Christian attitudes are detrimental to Jewish health and welfare. Many Christians believe the Talmud and other Jewish writings must be filled with references to their messiah or to their religion. Certainly anti-Semites have had no trouble convincing the gullible Christian that not only is this the case but that the things written there are as complimentary to Christians as the eight homilies against the Jews are to Jews. The truth of the matter is that in thousands of pages few references may be found or even construed. Yeshua bar Yosef and his adherents have the same minimal impact in Jewish literature as Buddha in Christianity.
The basis of Judaism is the concept of God, Torah and Messiah. Even those with the most rudimentary knowledge of these concepts in Judaism understands that the concept of a “Jewish Christian” or a “Jew who believes in Jesus” is, in the Jewish view, at best an oxymoron. Even structurally the two religions are diametrically opposite.
That is not to say that Christianity defining itself in relationship to Judaism has not had a profound effect on Jews. It has. Unfortunately in a negative way. This Christian redefinition placed the Jews in a position where their acceptance of the redefinition would give it undeniable validity. Every new monotheistic religion was by necessity a redefinition of the Jewish covenant. Early Christians, Mohamed and Luther have turned to the Jews to be accepted by them. The Jewish rejection was invariably met with intense animosity and even violence. The Jews rejection not only was a Jewish stand that the redefinition was invalid, it prevented the new religion’s goal of universality. Christianity and Islam which swept the masses of pagans toward the concept of monotheism, both held to a principle that all must be it’s adherents. Jewish refusal was the to make that goal of universality unobtainable. Therein lies the crux of religious anti-Semitism.
The basis of Judaism is the concept of God, Torah and Messiah. Even those with the most rudimentary knowledge of these concepts in Judaism understands that the concept of a “Jewish Christian” or a “Jew who believes in Jesus” is, in the Jewish view, at best an oxymoron. Even structurally the two religions are diametrically opposite.
That is not to say that Christianity defining itself in relationship to Judaism has not had a profound effect on Jews. It has. Unfortunately in a negative way. This Christian redefinition placed the Jews in a position where their acceptance of the redefinition would give it undeniable validity. Every new monotheistic religion was by necessity a redefinition of the Jewish covenant. Early Christians, Mohamed and Luther have turned to the Jews to be accepted by them. The Jewish rejection was invariably met with intense animosity and even violence. The Jews rejection not only was a Jewish stand that the redefinition was invalid, it prevented the new religion’s goal of universality. Christianity and Islam which swept the masses of pagans toward the concept of monotheism, both held to a principle that all must be it’s adherents. Jewish refusal was the to make that goal of universality unobtainable. Therein lies the crux of religious anti-Semitism.
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Lapell
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One thing we Christians must remember. Even though the Messiah did come, we still are waiting for Him, that is, to His return in glory.
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Lapell
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I have 2 questions for you:
1-In which way are Judaism and Christianity “diametrically” opposite? I don’t see that they are, except for Jesus’ claim to be God the Son… but as for the rest, how could they be “diametrically” opposite?
2-What makes you see a new definition (or “redefinition”) of Judaism or at least of some of her dogmas (or tenets, or teachings) as unacceptable? Some circumstances may bring a need for a more precise definition, may it not?
To be fair as an aspiring Catholic Christian. …ie going through RCIA. I believe one area where Jewish people may, I say may think we’re in error would be Apostle Paul. Here is a man who opened the door for the Gentiles to join. Then of course there is the area where Jesus focused on us loving God with all our heart and loving our neighbor. Loving God wouldn’t really be a problem for them but turning the other cheek might. Thats the one thing about Christianity that truly stands out. The message of peace and love towards your neighbors whether friend or foe. You could ALMOST call our Lord Jesus Christ the first Hippy minus the drugs of course. I’m sure there are other areas that make better examples but those stick out the most.
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kelleyclip
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Absolutely! During the time of Jesus, the Jews wanted the conquering Messiah to liberate them from Roman control. They weren’t ready for the suffering Messiah to basically call out the Pharisees on their hypocritical tendencies. The Pharisees didn’t except Jesus as the Son of God because they were in denial about their own faults. Long story short, both Christians and Jews are waiting for the Messiah, the only difference is we Christians believe this will be the second coming. Either way, we’re both on the same side.
YES! I’ve been saying Jesus was the first rebel hippy for years! And you wonder why the Jesus freaks of the 60’s had long hair and beards? I consider myself a modern Jesus freak- hell yeah man! His first miracle was turning water into wine, if that doesn’t say party I don’t know what does. Jesus loved to dance, sing, laugh and drink wine. The Lord wants us to have a good time and enjoy life… responsibly of course
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ryanoneil
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Choosen people makes a good point. The Mosaic Law (especially Deuteronomy) was designed to establish and maintain Isreal as a nation-state. It was a means of drawing them closer to God by separating them from the sins of the Gentiles.
Jesus said the The Mosaic Law was God’s temporary arrangement for Israel. The New Covenant would perfect the moral laws and bring the Mosaic Covenant’s temporary national phase to a close.
So choosen people’s perspective makes sense to me, even though I disagree.
Jesus said the The Mosaic Law was God’s temporary arrangement for Israel. The New Covenant would perfect the moral laws and bring the Mosaic Covenant’s temporary national phase to a close.
So choosen people’s perspective makes sense to me, even though I disagree.
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