Judaism / Christianity

[KenEOTE]

And Jesus told you personally that he chose only Paul and not all others who were with him?

Here is what is said:
Acts 9
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.

“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."

7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.

So Jesus spoke directly to Saul who became Paul. It was Christ who called him. The Light flashed around him (Saul) the others heard the voice but the light did not go around them.

You also asked where did the term Chrsitian come from. For starters it means little Christ’s. It was first given teh followers of Christ at Antioch.

Find it in Acts 11

25Then Barnabas went to Tarsus to look for Saul, 26and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

Hope that helps you.

 

[bpbasilphx]

** Originally Posted by aaronjo
I don’t know when and who gave them the title of “Christians”.**

**It was at Antioch the believers in Jesus as Messiah were first called Christians, and it was not intended as a compliment. (It’s in Acts, btw.

Since you apparently know so little about Christianity, arronjo, it might be well for you to say less about it than you have been.**

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

aaronjo;4126704]Yes, that is how Christians dropped the Holy Torah. And Paul is the prime figure in this plan.

Greetings,

Lets start this by first Christians have not dropped the Torah. I know of no one that is Christian that does not believe what is written In the Torah. What we do believe is that animal sacrifice is no longer needed as Jesus gave himself as the Perfect sacrifice. We also do not hold the the Dietary restrictions for as Jesus said in the the gospel it is what comes out of a mans mouth not what goes in that make a man unclean.

And I think it also has to do with the fear of Roman Government, as Paul have been persecuting followers of Jesus initially and his conversion to faith in Jesus is doubtful. He was on a mission to destabilize whatever Jesus is teaching, so that it should not pose any threat to Romans rule.

You here are misrepresenting what Paul’s mission was. he was not on a mission to destabilize, but on a mission to stop the spread of the gospel. the Romans cared not what religion the people of the empire belonged to as long as they obeyed the civil laws. Jesus himself said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s so it was really of no threat to Roman rule.

But when Christianity became paganized and lawless faith (thanks to Paul) and not a real threat to Romans, it was adopted or spread with high speed.

It only took roughly 300 years for the Romans to stop persecuting the Christians. We are not Pagan nor was the Christian faith ever paganized as we believe in the One God, the God of Abraham. We believe that Jesus is the incarnation of God one in being with God and we beleive that the Holy spirit proceeds forth from God.

Otherwise there is no indication in any canonised gospel where Jesus is talking to reject the laws of Holy Torah. He did not even call himself Christian. Neither Jesus himself nor his disciples had any intention of founding a new religion.

Here I agree completely. since the word Christ is a Greek word and Jesus spoke Aramaic and Hebrew he would not have used that word. Jesus never rejected the Torah nor did he start a new religion he came to fulfill the Torah and the Prophets. with the rejection by the majority of the people to the Gospel that Jesus brought a new religion came to be.

I don’t know when and who gave them the title of “Christians”.

Not sure either I would suppose that it would have been the Romans so as to separate those that followed Jesus from the rest to the Jews.

BTW, the Holy Torah is for Children of Israel first. For Gentiles there are other ways for their betterness.

BTW the Torah is for all yes it is as the Gospel was first for the House of Israel. But through the love of God and the Sacrifice of Christ Jesus they are for us all Jew and Gentile alike.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

=aaronjo;4128058]Well was Paul not a traitor and hypocrite then, as he worked against his own people by persecuting first and then later (by “becoming” a follower of Jesus), making “Christianity” a lawless faith-a soft meat for Romans.

For Paul to have been a traitor he would then have to have began persecuting those that did not come to except Christ. neither is he a hypocrite for when his sight was restored both his eyes and heart were opened and he then was able to see the truth it would have been hypocritical for him to then not spread the word of Jesus to all. and there is nothing lawless or soft about the Gospel for Jesus

The Isrealites came to accepts the laws that Moses gave to them from God very quickly yet it took nearly 300 years for the Romans to spot killing Christians ans accept the faith looking at that which would you call soft meat? I personally say neither as I know both, but to use your own arguments.

After the job is done, why Romans needed a traitor (to his own people) anymore?

And what job are you talking about? Rome was a pagan empire and killing Christians for nearly 300 year after Paul.

[Not to mention when Paul looks at the light and gets blind, the people with him who also saw the light, did not get blind.]

because Jesus was talking to Paul not to the rest of his party. do you believe that is not within the scope of Gods power?

 

[aaronjo]

You also asked where did the term Chrsitian come from. For starters it means little Christ’s. It was first given teh followers of Christ at Antioch.

But who were people of Antioch and why they named/labelled you people with such a polytheistic name?

Is it because the Gentile members of the community should enable it to stand out clearly from Judaism?

And what was their identity prior to this for “Christians”?

 

[KenEOTE]

But who were people of Antioch and why they named/labelled you people with such a polyheistic name?

Is it because the Gentile members of the community should enable it to stand out clearly from Judaism?

Antioch is in what is modern day Turkey near Syria. It was first given to the disciples and teachers. It was done by the people as a derogitory term. Calling them Little Christs or Christians. The followers of Chrsit’s took the name and kept it. Since we are called to be as Christ was. We are to follow him.

Before the term Christian was given to what was a Jewish Sect it was also known as The Way and the Nazarenes

 

[KenEOTE]

But who were people of Antioch and why they named/labelled you people with such a polytheistic name?

Is it because the Gentile members of the community should enable it to stand out clearly from Judaism?

And what was their identity prior to this for “Christians”?

A simple reading of Act’s would show you that they were called The Way before they were called Christians.

Acts 9
Saul’s Conversion
1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.

Acts 19:9
9But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.

Acts 19:23
23About that time there arose a great disturbance about the Way.

Acts 22:4
4I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison,

There are many other verses to show they were called The Way. It is Josephus the Jewish Historian that wrote that they were also called Nazarenes. Not to be confused with Nazarites.

 

[aaronjo]

Antioch is in what is modern day Turkey near Syria. It was first given to the disciples and teachers. It was done by the people as a derogitory term. Calling them Little Christs or Christians. The followers of Chrsit’s took the name and kept it.

So you Christians don’t even have a real identity from your own. Are you really Little Christs? I thought you have had only three-in-one Christ (god). How polytheists you are.

 

[aaronjo]

A simple reading of Act’s would show you that they were called The Way before they were called Christians.

What is the Aramaic or Hebrew word for The Way?

And what did your god (Jesus) tell you to be called or named you?

 

[aaronjo]

It is Josephus the Jewish Historian that wrote that they were also called Nazarenes. Not to be confused with Nazarites.

What is Arabic word for Nazarenes?

 

[KenEOTE]

So you Christians don’t even have a real identity from your own. Are you really Little Christs? I thought you have had only three-in-one Christ (god). How polytheists you are.

You are correct our identity comes from Christ. Our Identity is from God. We are to die to our own selfish ambitions and give it all to God. Where does your identity come from? We are mirrors of our Father. We are to be the light to this world, we are to be an example of Jesus to others. Unfortunatly many times we fail at this.

Where do you get that Christians are Polytheists? You just said three in one… That would equal as one. So yes we believe in one God who is represented by three persons.

I am curious you never answered this… Your Profile claims to be a Moderate Jew. What sect of Judaism do you practice? Many on here say you are a Muslim. If you are a muslim why do you lie and decieve by saying you are a Moderate Jew?

 

[KenEOTE]

What is Arabic word for Nazarenes?

I will answer your questions when you decide to be truthful and tell me what Sect of Judaism you practice.

 

[aaronjo]

So yes we believe in one God who is represented by three persons.

With that believing in such “God represented by three persons”
(a non-existant god) makes you a polytheist.

To be a monotheirst you have to believe in G_d of Israel who is One.

Jewish Shema is: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE” ( Deut. 6:4 ).

The God’s One-ness is the first thing a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last thing too uttered before he/she dies.

Worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry. It is one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew would rather give up his life than transgress.

Thats why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert to Christian paganism and commit idolatory then invite Anathema.

Do you know what is Anathema?

 

[aaronjo]

I will answer your questions when you decide to be truthful and tell me what Sect of Judaism you practice.

I am Jewish, as my dad was a Jew. Though my mother was a Unitarian Christian (better than Polytheist Catholics).

I am a moderate Jew, not a Zionist.

 

[KenEOTE]

I am Jewish, as my dad was a Jew. Though my mother was a Unitarian Christian (better than Polytheist Catholics).

I am a moderate Jew, not a Zionist.

Doesn’t the Judaism pass from the mothers side?

So what Sect of Judaism was your father what sect do you practice?

Zionist is not a sect of Judaism.

So if you are not a Zionist then you are a Secular Jew?

 

[aaronjo]

So if you are not a Zionist then you are a Secular Jew?

A moderate Jew.

 

[KenEOTE]

With that believing in such “God represented by three persons”
(a non-existant god) makes you a polytheist.

To be a monotheirst you have to believe in G_d of Israel who is One.

Jewish Shema is: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE” ( Deut. 6:4 ).

The God’s One-ness is the first thing a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last thing too uttered before he/she dies.

Worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry. It is one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew would rather give up his life than transgress.

Thats why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert to Christian paganism and commit idolatory then invite Anathema.

Do you know what is Anathema?

Yes I do know what Anathema means… it is to be: denounced, sometimes accursed

It was also a Band in the 90’s.

 

[KenEOTE]

A moderate Jew.

What is your definition of Moderate Jew?

 

[aaronjo]

What is your definition of Moderate Jew?

The one who believes in the Holy Torah and the Prophets and the stuff that agree with these two prime sources.

 

[KenEOTE]

The one who believes in the Holy Torah and the Prophets and the stuff that agree with these two prime sources.

and the "Stuff’ that agrees with those two prime sources?

So Orthodox Jew?