Judaism / Christianity

[Angelos]

I am calling moderators to action. They should NOT let aaronjo continue his dishonest act of pretending to be Jewish whereas he is apparently a follower of pagan Mohammad.

 

[KenEOTE]

You think we should simply forget what had happened to our Jewish brothers so many years ago and let Jews get converted to polytheist Christianity and call for Anathema?

Simply because Inquisition had happened so many years ago, does not mean it will not happen again if Catholic church re-gain the power.

I am here to protect my Jewish brothers and sisters’ faith in Judaism., as we have already lost millions of precious Jewish lives throughout the Christian bloody history.

You are here in a forum protecting your Jewish Brothers and Sisters from these forum members. Because they are out to do another Inqusition. Got it. Although I believe that Pope John Paul II actually apologized for what had happened to the Jews during the Inqusition. So it would be odd for the Catholic Church to go back on that line of operation.

It is interesting that Muslims always claim Christians are polytheistic, I have never heard a Jewish man or woman make that claim.

 

[aaronjo]

I am calling moderators to action. They should NOT let aaronjo continue his dishonest act of pretending to be Jewish whereas he is apparently a follower of pagan Mohammad.

You want to ban me because you failed to answer or face my questions…right?

 

[aaronjo]

Although I believe that Pope John Paul II actually apologized for what had happened to the Jews during the Inqusition.

I am aware PJP II did apologize, though partially. But after how many years ever sice Inquisition?

 

[KenEOTE]

I am aware PJP II did apologize, though partially. But after how many years ever sice Inquisition?

It was many years. Do you want another apology?

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

You want to ban me because you failed to answer or face my questions…right?

so I ask you again.
So you Patrice only the faith as taught in the Torah? I find that hard to believe as to do so requires the sacrifice of animals that from what know can not be done at this time as there is no Temple. Nor is the Levite Priesthood active. So how could you Practice the Faith of the Torah?

Also not the horror that was the Spanish Inquisition were due to the Spanish Monarchy and yes the Church could have and should have done more to stop it.

 

[aaronjo]

It is interesting that Muslims always claim Christians are polytheistic, I have never heard a Jewish man or woman make that claim.

You never heard before from a Jewish man/woman? But now you heard. Hopefully you may hear so many things for the first time in your life.

Hitler was not a Jew but a Catholic.

 

[inJESUS]

You want to ban me because you failed to answer or face my questions…right?

no, because you broke many of the forum rules, one of them is coming back after being banned a dozen time before as a Muslim. We all know we differ with Jews, but Jews at least present intelligent discussions that do not insult their or our intelligence.

 

[KenEOTE]

You never heard before from a Jewish man/woman? But now you heard. Hopefully you may hear so many things for the first time in your life.

Hitler was not a Jew but a Catholic.

Well I have many Jewish Friends I am going to share your views with them.

Calling Hitler Catholic is like saying Mohammad was a Christian.

Hitler killed many Catholics and Protestants. He Killed the Jews first and then many others who stood in his way.

Although not sure what Hitler has to do with this thread.

As far as Judaism and Christianity is concerend. Christianity has come from Judaism and owes much to the Jewish faith. We should never forget that.

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

aaronjo

so I ask you again.
So you Patrice only the faith as taught in the Torah? I find that hard to believe as to do so requires the sacrifice of animals that from what know can not be done at this time as there is no Temple. Nor is the Levite Priesthood active. So how could you Practice the Faith of the Torah?

Also not the horror that was the Spanish Inquisition were due to the Spanish Monarchy and yes the Church could have and should have done more to stop it.

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[aaronjo]

It was many years. Do you want another apology?

Mere apology is not enough.

Church should stop spreading Catholicism in Jews, afterall we are very few in numbers left in the world due to Inquisition/Christianbloody history.

So leave Jews and Judaism alone.

Let Jews (Children of G_d) practice their belief freely and openly. Do not impose your polytheism of Triune god on them. Don’t ask them to worship a young Jewess “virgin” girl.

Otherwise you know what will happen when our Real Messiah comes.!!

 

[reen12]

The other day I was talking to a (Jewish) friend of mine, and she said that the reason for the differences between Christianity and Judaism was that the early Christians tried to convert the Jews and, when it turned out to be a harder task than they had bargained for and they failed, they then turned their attention to the other people. In order to make this new religion easier for them to catch on to and follow (and also purely to differentiate themselves), they then dropped the Mosaic Law and so on.

quote: RosesforMary

What would you reply to this?

I’ll try to keep this brief.

Saul of Tarsus [St.Paul] was called the Apostle to the Gentiles, because he spent his time, as an evangelist - not among members of Judaism - but among people who had not idea of the parent faith of Christianity.

Any member of Judaism, who knew their faith, knew that no
‘savior’ was called for. The God of Israel is savior.

The word ‘messiah’ means ‘the anointed.’
The word messiah does not = ‘savior.’

God had already granted salvation, mercy, forgiveness and
eternal life.

beingjewish.com/toshuv/salvation.html

The dominant teaching, in Judaism, is that man is born in innocence.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Original_Sin.html

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quote: reen12, from another thread

During his/her lifetime, each will sin.

Yet HaShem ‘the Name’] forgives, if man turns back to Him teshuvah.]

While there is a leaning toward good, there is also a leaning toward evil -
yetzer hatov, yetzer hara.
[More akin to the teaching of concupisence -
not an ontological sin - ‘inherited’ from Adam.]

Concupisence:

newadvent.org/cathen/04208a.htm

Man sins because he/she is not a perfect being.
One accepts this fact, turning back to God when one sins.
The world to come awaits man, when life ends.
Judaism embraces life, and the gifts of God.
It is ‘this world,’ oriented - not oriented toward heaven.
[the world come - *Olam haba.]

reen12

 

[aaronjo]

quote: RosesforMary

I’ll try to keep this brief.

One of the reasons the reasons that Saul of Tarsus [St.Paul]
was called the Apostle to the Gentiles, is because he spent
his time, as an evangelist - not among members of Judaism -
but among people who had not idea of the parent faith of
Christianity.

Any member of Judaism, who knew their faith, knew that no
‘savior’ was called for. The God of Israel is savior.

The word ‘messiah’ means ‘the anointed.’
The word messiah does not = ‘savior.’

God had already granted salvation, mercy, forgiveness and
eternal life.

beingjewish.com/toshuv/salvation.html

The dominant teaching, in Judaism, is that man is born in innocence.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/…ginal_Sin.html

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quote: reen12, from another thread

reen12

Exactly…DITTO…

 

[KenEOTE]

Mere apology is not enough.

Church should stop spreading Catholicism in Jews, afterall we are very few in numbers left in the world due to Inquisition/Christianbloody history.

So leave Jews and Judaism alone.

Let Jews (Children of G_d) practice their belief freely and openly. Do not impose your polytheism of Triune god on them. Don’t ask them to worship a young Jewess “virgin” girl.

Otherwise you know what will happen when our Real Messiah comes.!!

WOW you have really let your Muslim side out of the Box. Jews know that Catholics do not worship Mary as you suggest. That is a Muslim line.
As for spreading the Good News of Christ they are sharing it and if a Jewish man or woman believes they are free to follow, as are muslims, buddists and hindu’s.

 

[KenEOTE]

quote: RosesforMary

I’ll try to keep this brief.

Saul of Tarsus [St.Paul] was called the Apostle to the Gentiles, because he spent his time, as an evangelist - not among members of Judaism - but among people who had not idea of the parent faith of Christianity.

Any member of Judaism, who knew their faith, knew that no
‘savior’ was called for. The God of Israel is savior.

The word ‘messiah’ means ‘the anointed.’
The word messiah does not = ‘savior.’

God had already granted salvation, mercy, forgiveness and
eternal life.

beingjewish.com/toshuv/salvation.html

The dominant teaching, in Judaism, is that man is born in innocence.

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Original_Sin.html

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quote: reen12, from another thread

reen12

Aaron you could learn a lot from Reen see hwo she contributed to the discussion? You ahve yet to contribute anything. The Jewish people know how to speak logically normally. It is the muslims who follow Mo that are idiotic at times.

 

[aaronjo]

WOW you have really let your Muslim side out of the Box. Jews know that Catholics do not worship Mary as you suggest. That is a Muslim line.
As for spreading the Good News of Christ they are sharing it and if a Jewish man or woman believes they are free to follow, as are muslims, buddists and hindu’s.

Well you don’t know what we Jews really believe then.

Virgin birth was a popular pagan myth, prevalent in numerous religions of the time. The particular strain that we find in Christianity was probably taken directly from the Greek myth of the divine birth of Perseus from the virgin Danae. It never had any association with Judaism. Furthermore, Attis, a popular Roman and Syrian god around the time Christianity began, was also said to have been born of a virgin. Long before that, Krishna, the Hindu god, dating back to nine centuries before Christianity, was said to be god incarnate born of a virgin, as was Gautama Buddha. So there was rather widespread precedent for Christian beliefs, but none of it came from Judaism.

Your average Jew with any kind of Jewish upbringing is disgusted by these ideas. This was true back then, just as much as it is true today. The virgin birth seems to us rather strange.

A Jew will also ask: “And how do I know she [Mary] was a virgin?” We don’t, of course, so there’s really no evidence at all. In fact, no one could ever have known whether or not she was a virgin!

What do I mean by that? In Matthew, Chapter 1, verse 24-25, it says: “Then Joseph awoke and did as the angel of the Lord had instructed him, and married her. He did not have relations with her until after she had given birth to her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.”

The verse says that Joseph did not have relations with Mary until after jesus was born. In other words, after jesus was born, they did have relations. Not only that, Matthew later says quite explicitly that jesus had three brothers and a few sisters (Matthew 12:46; 13:55-56). Mark (6:3) lists four brothers and says “all his sisters,” which might imply more than two sisters, but in any case implies at least two.

There are those who wish to argue that “brothers and sisters” refers to those that jesus considered is true brothers and sisters – his followers.

But this answer doesn’t work. Let’s look at the actual verses involved. First, Matthew 12:46-50.

While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
In other words, his biological mother and brothers were waiting outside for him, and he argued that his real mother and brothers were his followers.

So he apparently had real brothers, biological brothers.

Now, it is quite evident that even if a woman could conceive a child and still remain a virgin, the act of giving birth would rupture the hymen anyway. So once jesus was born, Mary would no longer have had a hymen.

Now, if Joseph did not have relations with her until after her hymen was ruptured from jesus’ birth, even Joseph could never know whether she had been a virgin when jesus was conceived. By the time Joseph got to her, one way or another she had no hymen, so how could Joseph know whether the hymen was there before jesus was born?

So who in the world could verify that she was a virgin when she conceived jesus? No one, that’s who!

Think about it. What sort of proof would it be anyway? I stand up in front of a few people, and I declare: “You see that virgin?” And everyone turns to look at her, and they say, “Well, I see a woman, but how do I know she’s a virgin?”

“Never mind about that now,” I say. “I’m a prophet, and I tell you she is a virgin. She will give birth, miraculously!”

“What’s so miraculous about that?” everyone wants to know. She’ll have relations with someone, and she’ll get pregnant, and she’ll give birth. It happens every day."

“Take my word for it.”

No one checks to see if she is a virgin, because that would be in poor taste anyway.

So how is this a proof of anything?

But what is even more amazing is their supposed proof that virgin birth is significant. It all comes from a distorted verse in Isaiah.

beingjewish.com/toshuv/virgin.html

 

[reen12]

Exactly…DITTO…

Hello, aaronjo,

Men and women are beginnning to realize that the Christian claims
are simply not to be accepted. That the true faith is the faith of Israel,
from which Christians departed, setting up their own ‘authority.’

Judaism awaits Moshiach [the messiah.] A human being who,
given strength by G-d, shall establish His kingdom.

The words of Zechariah are beginning to be heard.

Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men of every nationality, speaking different tongues, shall take hold, yes, take hold of every Jew by the edge of his garment and say,
“Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” [Zech 8]

God has taken the error of men - and brought good from it.
Monotheism has been proclaimed - even through the error
of thinking God a trinity.

reen12

 

[inJESUS]

Well you don’t know what **we Jews **really believe then.

when you get banned for lying, everyone will know what you really believe in.

why many brothers/sisters are wasting their time with a Jew who calls muhammad a prophet. Better invest your time somewhere else.

 

[KenEOTE]

Well you don’t know what we Jews really believe then.

Actually I do know what Jews believe in.

I don’t think I said anything that implied that I was out to force them to change their belief.

It is interesting that you didn’t quote that website till after Reen gave you the site. Why were you not using that site before. Being a devout Jewish man as you claim one would think you would have used that site before now to make your points.

 

[inJESUS]

Reen 12, are you a Jew, Christian or atheist? sorry but your threads and posts bewilder me