Judaism

  • Thread starter Thread starter Valke2
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
I am sure that Solomon will have to answer to things that he did and allowed to happen …the same as Hitler will have to answer for his sins …
I know his word and his word does say that those who are given more in understanding and still go against the teachings will be punished more severly than the ones who sin and do not have the understanding of his teachings
I will have to stand in judgement for everything that I ever said and did according to my own understanding and what I did with it .
… Solomon and Hiltler will to …
I have a question for you .
Where do you think it is different for Solomon than from Hilter in what they did ?
 
I to believe that if a person truly repents of his sins … then yes he/she can be saved .
including Hitler … but we know Hitler did not repent … he killed himself …
I don’t know if Solomon truly repented … mind you repentance is turning away from the sins that you are committining and work at repairing the wrongs you have done . Did Solomon do this ?
and only God Knows whether or not a person has truly repented
 
SimonneMDS said:
I have a question for you .
Where do you think it is different for Solomon than from Hilter in what they did ?
Click to expand...
Hitler engaged in a campaign to exterminate entire peoples, the purpose of which was to completely eradicate judaism from the world, to remove Christanity from the 3rd Reich’s borders. Solomon was weak when it came to his wives and indulged their desire to worship pagan Gods.
 
SimonneMDS said:
I to believe that if a person truly repents of his sins … then yes he/she can be saved .
including Hitler … but we know Hitler did not repent … he killed himself …
I don’t know if Solomon truly repented … mind you repentance is turning away from the sins that you are committining and work at repairing the wrongs you have done . Did Solomon do this ?
and only God Knows whether or not a person has truly repented
Click to expand...
And I believe that no amount of repenting should be able to save Hitler from the fate he deserves.
 
Karin said:
Ah…so a quick question then…since Jews believe that people that commit evil on a horrific scale suffer eternal punishment and they also believe that all jews will eventually have a share in heaven…what happens in your scheme of things if a jew committed evil on a horrific scale (say as bad as Hitler did)? DO they still get to heaven eventually?
Click to expand...
no. They would fall into the same theological exception as a Hitler.
 
Valke2 said:
no. They would fall into the same theological exception as a Hitler.
Click to expand...
Glad to hear that…😉 so all people that commit horrific acts of evil will rot in hell is what your saying no matter what religion they are or are not?
 
Karin said:
are you God? If not how can you decide what fate Hitler deserves?
Click to expand...
No. I’m not God. Are you God that you should decide everyone is entitled to salvation? And did you not just recently post that you hoped they were both being punished for their sins?

I am expressing my belief as a Jew that there are those who are not offered a share in the world to come.
 
Valke2 said:
No. I’m not God.
Click to expand...
ok so your not suffering from delusions …good.
40.png
valke2:
Are you God that you should decide everyone is entitled to salvation?
Click to expand...
If they truly are repentive than yes they should be allowed a chance at salvation:)
40.png
valke2:
And did you not just recently post that you hoped they were both being punished for their sins?
Click to expand...
Yes I did…but I also did not state that either are damned to hell for all eternity …I do think that is up to God;) …I do think that if the desire is their and true repentance is there anything is posisble.
40.png
valke2:
I am expressing my belief as a Jew that there are those who are not offered a share in the world to come.
Click to expand...
ok…that is your right…but by that same statement…can I assume that not all jews will get into heaven either.?
 
Karin said:
ok so your not suffering from delusions …good.

If they truly are repentive than yes they should be allowed a chance at salvation:)

Yes I did…but I also did not state that either are damned to hell for all eternity …I do think that is up to God;) …I do think that if the desire is their and true repentance is there anything is posisble.

ok…that is your right…but by that same statement…can I assume that not all jews will get into heaven either.?
Click to expand...
Yes. A jew who does something evil that is “off the scale” (like producing “teletubbies”) will not get in either. There’s not a whole lot of dogma on the afterlife and heaven in Judaism, so there are varied opinions and beliefs in this area for Jews.
 
Valke2 said:
Yes. A jew who does something evil that is “off the scale” (like producing “teletubbies”) will not get in either. There’s not a whole lot of dogma on the afterlife and heaven in Judaism, so there are varied opinions and beliefs in this area for Jews.
Click to expand...
your joking about that bolded part right?
 
Valke2 said:
Yes. A jew who does something evil that is “off the scale” (like producing “teletubbies”) will not get in either. There’s not a whole lot of dogma on the afterlife and heaven in Judaism, so there are varied opinions and beliefs in this area for Jews.
Click to expand...
Then what is it about King Solomon that outweighed the sins he permitted to enter the nation of Isreal?

I ask because it seems to me that the net result of his actions went off the scale in the form of a couple hundred thousand innocent lives that may have been scortched to death in the flames of Molech.
 
Mr.Ex_Nihilo said:
Then what is it about King Solomon that outweighed the sins he permitted to enter the nation of Isreal?

I ask because it seems to me that the net result of his actions went off the scale in the form of a couple hundred thousand innocent lives that may have been scortched to death in the flames of Molech.
Click to expand...
That terrible things may have happened as a result of his actions is not the same thing as his actions being intended to result in terrible things. And again, I don’t know that we agree on the results of his actions.
 
And, as I have said, there is plenty of criticism in Talmud of Solomon, including one opinion that His failure with his wives resulted in the creation of the island of Rome. Which for Jews, is not a good thing.

However, I suppose it is time for me to admit that I don’t know what the actual punishment of Solomon was/is after his death.
 
Actually, upon further reflection (and reading) we can draw some conclusions about Solomon’s fate in the hereafter.

in 2 Samuel 7:12-16, Hashem tells David, among other things,
“…buy My mercy shall not depart from him [Solomon]”

This tends to uphold the position that Solmon’s descendants will never lose the right to the throne, but I’m going to use it to state that Solomon is not punished to an eternal hell.
 
Valke2 said:
Actually, upon further reflection (and reading) we can draw some conclusions about Solomon’s fate in the hereafter.

in 2 Samuel 7:12-16, Hashem tells David, among other things,
“…buy My mercy shall not depart from him [Solomon]”

This tends to uphold the position that Solmon’s descendants will never lose the right to the throne, but I’m going to use it to state that Solomon is not punished to an eternal hell.
Click to expand...
I actually agree with you on this. I definitely do not think that King Solomon went to a place of damnation. And even though there does appear to be bad things that he had done, he never stooped to the level of Mannasah or Ahab for example.

In my own opinion, Hitler is more like Ahab and Mannasah than Solomon.

But Solomon did, nonetheless, do some pretty bad stuff in my opinion. And I think we both agree with this even if the particulars of the “bad” he did are not generally agreed upon.

Agreement is good when possible. 🙂
 
As you see here in these scriptures … He will be punished but for Davids’ sake the throne will never depart from before the LORD.

2nd Samuel ch 7
vs 12
12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you.** Your throne shall be established forever.”’”
17 According to all these words and according to all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David.**
 
Valke2
just goes to show Valke … it is all in who you know … and who your daddy is . … isn’t it ?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top