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jjdrury81
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xixxvmcm85
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Has the order been stayed or will they immediately start doling out marriage licenses again as they did last time?
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Catholic1954
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There will be no gay “marriages” for now. It’s not over, until it’s over. On to SCOTUS. 
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Carmel_B
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In order to retain laws in line with Catholic belief, we need to have a constitutional amendment.
In fact, we’ll need at least two: one banning abortion, another banning same sex marriage.
In fact, we’ll need at least two: one banning abortion, another banning same sex marriage.
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choy
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i’m not American but was it never in the US constitution or any other US law that marriage is strictly between a man and a woman?
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Carmel_B
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In the Constitution? No. There still isn’t.
In State Laws and Constitutions? Not until the last 20-30 years, no.
It was a universal presumption not in need of legal statement except in the case of “Boston Marriages” between women which had the same status as common law marriages.
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bibleguy180
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And why do we need to have laws in line with Catholic belief? What about the Protestants, Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, etc.? That’s why we have religious freedom in this country.
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irishpatrick
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What the judge really said was: the traditional definition for marriage )one man and one woman) is unconstitutional, which means every marriage has ever been entered in the USA has been unconsitutional. That is one powerful judge to be able to cast aside every marriage in the history of the USA.
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constantseeker
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A ruling that limiting civil marriage contracts to one many and one woman is unconstitutional in no way implies that marriages between a man and a woman are unconstitutional.
When the court ruled that limiting marriage to people of the same race was unconstitutional, that did not suddenly mean that all marriages between white men and white women or black men and black women were unconstitutional.
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edwest2
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It’s the biology. Men and women have bodies that are complementary, gay people do not. They can involve themselves in any type of living arrangement they want, otherwise, why was the issue put to a vote of the people? Why not go straight to the Supreme Court? On abortion, the Supreme Court based their ruling on penumbras they somehow found in the Constitution.
To quote an old movie line: “Do the right thing.” And I’ll just add: penumbras are fiction.
God bless,
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bibleguy180
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Penumbras are NOT fiction. And I’m pretty sure you can’t go straight to the Supreme Court, unless you’re trying to impeach the president or something.
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Charlotte1776
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With a gay activist judge on the case, did anybody ever doubt this would be the decision? The comments he made throughout the case made it very clear which way he was leaning, and I wish someone would have the guts to call him out for being completely biased. I don’t know much about law, but I think that if a judge can be found to have a personal stake in the case he is supposed to excuse himself from it.
I am certain this is going to go all the way to the supreme court, and with it full of liberal activist judges on the bench I worry about the final decision. In the 31 states where gay marriage has been put on the ballot, it has been shot down every single time. The American people do NOT want gay marriage but these judges are trying to twist and rewrite every law and constitution to make it happen. If gay marriage is made legal in the US, I am concerned about the repurcussions for the Church. Does anyone know how/if gay marriage in Canada has affected the Church up there? I have heard of protestant pastors getting arrested for speaking out against homosexuality, because talking is a hate crime up there.
I am certain this is going to go all the way to the supreme court, and with it full of liberal activist judges on the bench I worry about the final decision. In the 31 states where gay marriage has been put on the ballot, it has been shot down every single time. The American people do NOT want gay marriage but these judges are trying to twist and rewrite every law and constitution to make it happen. If gay marriage is made legal in the US, I am concerned about the repurcussions for the Church. Does anyone know how/if gay marriage in Canada has affected the Church up there? I have heard of protestant pastors getting arrested for speaking out against homosexuality, because talking is a hate crime up there.
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Montalo
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just wanted to point out that impeachments are tried in the Senate
Suudy
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And it wasn’t even penumbras. It was “emanations of a penumbra”. Penumbras give off emanations?
Also, it was penumbras in legalese. In other words, the court found something that it thought was emanating from a penumbra in legal work. It couldn’t find an outright legal justification for the murder of unborn children, so it looked in the shadows. It still couldn’t find it there. So then it look on the fringes of the shadows. Aha! Lo! The right to murder unborn children lives somewhere between the shadow and light of the Constitution.
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mrmagoo661
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What I want to know is…
Will this mean that a church, Catholic or otherwise, will lose its tax exempt status if it will not conduct gay marriages?
Does this mean that if someone from the pulpit talks about the evils of the gay lifestyle will that be hate speech?
Will this open the door for discrimination lawsuits against the church?
Will this mean that a church, Catholic or otherwise, will lose its tax exempt status if it will not conduct gay marriages?
Does this mean that if someone from the pulpit talks about the evils of the gay lifestyle will that be hate speech?
Will this open the door for discrimination lawsuits against the church?
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kamaan
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Hopefully not
You are describing what it is like here in Canada. I hope the Church in the USA never experiences this!
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Fortis_Fide
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I was shocked to hear of this. What is happening over there?
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rossum
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AIUI it is a change in the legal arrangements for marriage and has no effect on the Church. American law allows for divorce while Church law does not. I imagine that the arrangements will be similar. A divorced person is seen as unmarried in the eyes of the law but still married to their old spouse in the eyes of the Church.
A gay couple would be seen as married in the eyes of the law and unmarried in the eyes of the Church.
The same situation applies in the UK with respect to Civil Partnerships, they are recognised by the law but not by most religious bodies.
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DaveBj
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@Choy: There is nothing in the U.S. Constitution about marriage = man + woman, for the same reason that for the first 1500 years of the Catholic Church there was no canonical listing of Old Testament books including the Deuterocanonicals–the question had never come up.
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This case will go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which will confirm Judge Walker’s decision. From there it will go to SCOTUS, which on a party-line 5-4 vote will overturn the decision, thus restoring Proposition 8, and at the same time maintaining the 9th’s reputation as the most overturned CPA in the country.
taking off prophet’s hat
When it happens, remember where you read it first.
DaveBj
putting on prophet’s hat
This case will go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, which will confirm Judge Walker’s decision. From there it will go to SCOTUS, which on a party-line 5-4 vote will overturn the decision, thus restoring Proposition 8, and at the same time maintaining the 9th’s reputation as the most overturned CPA in the country.
taking off prophet’s hat
When it happens, remember where you read it first.
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