Junipero Serra statue beheaded, splashed with red paint in Central California

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I love California and have visited multiple times but it’s an extremely liberal place. I think that’s the reason for the protests. The culture is more influenced by the regressive left.
California is a HUGE, DIVERSE place. Politically it flows from the hardcore “progressive” (Marxist) City/County of San Francisco all the way to the extremely conservative San Joaquin Valley – and a huge amount of stuff in between.
 
The thinking of that time was that the white race was superior. Many blacks lost their culture, language, etc. as a result of slavery. I wouldn’t say Father Serra shouldn’t be held accountable, but I would say he should not be judged according to our standards and understanding. It is like saying a slave-master shouldn’t be held accountable. The inhuman treatment of slaves will never be acceptable. It is difficult for me to think some of them didn’t know better is raping slaves and subjecting them to harsh treatment. Idk if I can agree with that.
What exactly did Saint Serra do that was wrong? Disciplining natives in a manner analogous to how adolescents and adults were disciplined throughout Europe and in the Eastern US at the time? Again, what did Serra do wrong? He certainly was not a “slave master” nor did he treat people in a sub-human manner.

You’re trying to equate Serra to a slave owner/trader and that’s just not historically accurate.
 
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You sound rather insensitive to other people’s culture. Almost mocking it. How self righteous of you. Catholics are all great people until race is brought up.
 
I had a saint book about Augustine and some of this thoughts about women would be considered sexist in this time period. Saints can be wrong
 
Has the Communist Pope Francis commented on this yet? He must be happy, these are his people after all. He praises them regularly as they attack the church and everything it stands for.
 
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You sound rather insensitive to other people’s culture. Almost mocking it. How self righteous of you. Catholics are all great people until race is brought up.
Please don’t judge me again. In all actuality I am very sensitive to historical accuracy. I have long studied the California Missions and have noted a growing propensity to lie about their history in some very sensitive ways. That’s unacceptable, hence my voice on the matter.
 
I had a saint book about Augustine and some of this thoughts about women would be considered sexist in this time period. Saints can be wrong
“This time period” of the snowflake? A time where if we’re offended by something (no matter how wrong or overly sensitive we might be), then that which is offending us MUST be in the wrong?
 
In Louisiana, French was the primary language until the early 1900’s when it was outlawed to be taught in the public schools. These were primarily Catholics who spoke French.

So, you can see that the “Anglicanization” of America has more to do with government than with the Catholic Church. It was the government in Washington that wanted a unified country, and one of their initiatives to achieve a unified country was a unified language (English of course).
 
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The Church doesn’t owe “these people.” If anything the debt is in the reverse. Also, what exactly do you mean about “a restoration of native values”? Build them more casinos? Give them the venerable California Missions so they can incense them with burning sage? Why would that be up to the Church?
I should not have called you self-righteous.
This sounds very insensitive to problems in the Native American community and stereotypical.
“The Church doesn’t owe “these people.” If anything the debt is in the reverse. Also, what exactly do you mean about “a restoration of native values”? Build them more casinos? Give them the venerable California Missions so they can incense them with burning sage? Why would that be up to the Church?”
 
I was just talking about how standards of human behavior has changed other time. Are we too sensitive in this era? To whom? This all depends on who we ask. We live in a time of moral relativism. As much as I agree we’re “too sensitive” I think we’re compensating for the evils of the past. Some argue we’re too sensitive about race. Can you imagine how insensitive people were about race 50 years ago? I cannot imagine how poorly LGBTQ people were misunderstood and mistreated 50 years ago.
I’ve talked to atheists/agnostics who think Christians are too sensitive and they demand the entire US bend to their morals. We claim persecution when truly the world is changing. So who is too sensitive?
It irks me when men complain about feminism. Perhaps feminist movement has gone overboard. Then again I remember there was a time women weren’t allowed to attend school, sadly that is the case in some countries. There was a time when it was acceptable to physically discipline your wife like your children. In some places, spousal rape doesn’t exist. Women must always give it to their husband. Women were either the property of their husband or their father. So when men complain about feminists, I roll my eyes.
 
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You sound rather insensitive to other people’s culture. Almost mocking it. How self righteous of you. Catholics are all great people until race is brought up.
This comment is really out of line. The person’s posts have not suggested at all that they are racist or insensitive. Also, what they are saying is historically correct. St. Thomas More didn’t exactly treat everybody with what we’d consider human kindness nowadays either, and as you just said, we need to consider people’s actions within the “social context of their reality”, as my old history teacher used to say.

Please don’t play the race card when it’s a case of someone reasonably disagreeing with you. I see this a LOT on every forum I visit and it is not helpful to discussion or understanding or anything else.

Edited to add, I’m also taken aback by your making a race generalization to all Catholics, like they are all white and European and look down on those who are not. When I go to church these days I see a lot of Asians, Africans and Latinos there. I also know a lot of white Catholics who are pretty involved in civil rights. Why would you presume all of us are somehow jerks about race?
 
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People mainly criticise the third wave because they believe it has gone overboard.
There are also women, like myself, who were fine with the earlier feminist movements but have no use for what parades around today under the guise of “feminism” and think it is simply a bunch of women doing the same things they condemned men for doing, namely, trying to force their views on other women who don’t agree with them.
 
I didn’t call him racist. The comment about building more casinos sounds like he is generalizing and mocking native American culture. I visited this forum during the whole white nationalist thing. I do indeed feel some users are at least white nationalist sympathizers. I was turned off by some of the answers.
 
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What debt do the Natives owe the Catholic Church according to you?
 
I visited this forum during the whole white nationalist thing. I do indeed feel some users are at least white nationalist sympathizers.
I am not aware of a ‘White nationalist’ thing here. I’d challenge you to supply evidence for your claim.
 
Whenever that happened. I didn’t have this account then. I was a little upset that people were comparing the KKK and neonazis to the BLM movement or black Panthers. They aren’t the same to me. Or the denial of the Confederate flag having racist undertones. I don’t think the president addressed the situation adequately, but others felt differently.
Apparently as a Catholic I could not vote Hilary under any circumstances. Trump was the Catholic vote.
I’ve started to become quite jaded and critical about Catholics or Christianity in general.
 
I said white nationalist sympathizers. I don’t see how you can compare the two honestly. The KKK is not in the same league as the black Panthers. Honestly if you believe so, I suspect you are slightly racist or at least ignorant. You cannot compare both at all in my honest opinion. They were founded on different ideology. I don’t even think BLM and black Panthers are considered a hate group.
 
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