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Ahimsa
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Why do you think you will probably leave the RCC?
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nate73
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Hi all, I am new to this forum. This is my first post. I am not a Catholic ( I am Southern Baptist), the reason I am here is to learn about the Catholic faith. I am NOT here to try to convert anyone, start any problems, or be generally obnoxious. I want to learn about the Catholic Faith and thought this could be a great place to do that. I have many family members who are Catholic, but unfortunately are only Catholic in name and have not been able to provide much information. As a result I know very little about Catholic Faith and Doctrine. If my questions seem simplistic that would be why. I am not necessarily looking to convert, but I will say that lately I have been wondering if Spiritually speaking something was missing. I am looking forward to learning whatever you all can teach me. Although I am sure that there will be things that we disagree on. Again I am NOT here to cause problems but to learn and possibly clear up any mis-conceptions that might exist about my denomination. Thanks in advance.
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sconea
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Perhaps many are being led here by the Holy Spirit.I’ve noticed that there are many non-Catholic members here. I’m really curious why they hang out on a Catholic site? I’m not asking this in a judging or nasty way, I’m truly curious. Why would someone who is clearly not in agreement with the Catholic Faith want to spend time in a place where what they probably do believe is constantly disagreed with?
What do non-Catholics get out of being here, I guess is what I’m wondering.
~Liza
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Brian_C
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Sounds like my first post almost verbatim from 2 yrs ago! Now I’m happily Catholic and helping others to convert thru RCIA!
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pira114
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Simple , because we love you guys and gals.
It is my hope to share the “truth” of Jesus Christ" with you
so you will have an antidote to the lies and halftruths that come out of Rome
I hang out here because I have faith that Catholics will eventually see that the surest way to God is through the study of Torah and observing His commandments.
It’s comments like these that probably lead the OP to starting this thread. I’ve often wondered myself why non-Catholics, who are bent on converting us, hang out here. They make these comments and then call us rude and un-charitable when we defend ourselves. They are entitled to their opinions and beliefs, but if they want a fight, they should just leave. If they are going to get upset at me defending my faith, then they ought not challenge me.
It is my hope to share the “truth” of Jesus Christ" with you
so you will have an antidote to the lies and halftruths that come out of Rome
I hang out here because I have faith that Catholics will eventually see that the surest way to God is through the study of Torah and observing His commandments.
It’s comments like these that probably lead the OP to starting this thread. I’ve often wondered myself why non-Catholics, who are bent on converting us, hang out here. They make these comments and then call us rude and un-charitable when we defend ourselves. They are entitled to their opinions and beliefs, but if they want a fight, they should just leave. If they are going to get upset at me defending my faith, then they ought not challenge me.
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pagan_soul
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**I’ve noticed that there are many non-Catholic members here. I’m really curious why they hang out on a Catholic site? **
I dropped in to carry on comparitive discussions with Catholics so I could better understand what the similarities and differences were between our faiths. I came because I’m often asked by former Christians to help them become Wiccan/Pagan. I would begin by telling them to go back and give their faith another try. I would ask them to truly try and work past their difficulties. After a time I noticed that many were Catholics.
I am shocked by what I experience here. I am on the verge of changing my policy towards new comers.
I’m not asking this in a judging or nasty way, I’m truly curious. Why would someone who is clearly not in agreement with the Catholic Faith want to spend time in a place where what they probably do believe is constantly disagreed with?
I think the question is why we bother staying? Or why do the moderators keep allowing such brutal behavior? Is it because this behaviour is normal for Catholics or perhaps nonCatholics don’t warrant decent treatment because they must be idiots to not be Catholic?
I understand that there are a few people in every forum that may do a lot of posting and not speak for the majority…but where are the others? Where are the people who bring reasonable discussion? Where is the respect? Or maybe you hope to drive non-Catholics away because we give another perspective of paganism that isn’t about demons, devils, covens, teenagers and Charmed? That maybe if it isn’t all those things…maybe its just another faith?
I’m hoping for reasonable, respectful discussion in this forum so I can learn.
I dropped in to carry on comparitive discussions with Catholics so I could better understand what the similarities and differences were between our faiths. I came because I’m often asked by former Christians to help them become Wiccan/Pagan. I would begin by telling them to go back and give their faith another try. I would ask them to truly try and work past their difficulties. After a time I noticed that many were Catholics.
I am shocked by what I experience here. I am on the verge of changing my policy towards new comers.
I’m not asking this in a judging or nasty way, I’m truly curious. Why would someone who is clearly not in agreement with the Catholic Faith want to spend time in a place where what they probably do believe is constantly disagreed with?
I think the question is why we bother staying? Or why do the moderators keep allowing such brutal behavior? Is it because this behaviour is normal for Catholics or perhaps nonCatholics don’t warrant decent treatment because they must be idiots to not be Catholic?
I understand that there are a few people in every forum that may do a lot of posting and not speak for the majority…but where are the others? Where are the people who bring reasonable discussion? Where is the respect? Or maybe you hope to drive non-Catholics away because we give another perspective of paganism that isn’t about demons, devils, covens, teenagers and Charmed? That maybe if it isn’t all those things…maybe its just another faith?
I’m hoping for reasonable, respectful discussion in this forum so I can learn.
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artist3189
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I dropped in to carry on comparitive discussions with Catholics so I could better understand what the similarities and differences were between our faiths. I came because I’m often asked by former Christians to help them become Wiccan/Pagan. I would begin by telling them to go back and give their faith another try. I would ask them to truly try and work past their difficulties. After a time I noticed that many were Catholics.
I am shocked by what I experience here. I am on the verge of changing my policy towards new comers.
I’m not asking this in a judging or nasty way, I’m truly curious. Why would someone who is clearly not in agreement with the Catholic Faith want to spend time in a place where what they probably do believe is constantly disagreed with?
I think the question is why we bother staying? Or why do the moderators keep allowing such brutal behavior? Is it because this behaviour is normal for Catholics or perhaps nonCatholics don’t warrant decent treatment because they must be idiots to not be Catholic?
I understand that there are a few people in every forum that may do a lot of posting and not speak for the majority…but where are the others? Where are the people who bring reasonable discussion? Where is the respect? Or maybe you hope to drive non-Catholics away because we give another perspective of paganism that isn’t about demons, devils, covens, teenagers and Charmed? That maybe if it isn’t all those things…maybe its just another faith?
I’m hoping for reasonable, respectful discussion in this forum so I can learn.
*Discussion, to learn, what exactly? Please understand, as Catholics we firmly believe our Church to be the ‘true’ Church instituted by Christ, the Son of the Living God. To you, we could only say, STOP what you are doing, you are in grave peril and the people you ‘Help’, you help into perdition. To say anything else would deny the Truth, and so we are ‘obligated’ to speak to you, as a pagan, this way. I suspect that even our non-Catholic Christian friends would strongly suggest the same to you. What you will learn from this forum, is what the result of 500 years of dissention and dissimilation as wrought,… but the basic truth of “Jesus Christ, through his death and resurrection has opened the gates of heaven to us all”, this truth is never ending and indisputable. If you find yourself outside of this truth, by choice, then it is a choice with grave consequences. Your burden multiplies with the souls you ‘Help’ away from the Church. Thankfully you suggest they re-examine their faith first. Hopefully, they will dig deep into the mysteries of our faith and find the answers the need. What we need to do is to PRAY for you, for a understanding and conversion. Catholic life is not easy, it is a narrow road. Your life rejects what is seen as traditional limits, it is ‘I’ centered. The person creates his own relationship to the world and its nature. The Catholic Church is Christ centered, which in the end is more limitless than you could EVER imagine.
I am shocked by what I experience here. I am on the verge of changing my policy towards new comers.
I’m not asking this in a judging or nasty way, I’m truly curious. Why would someone who is clearly not in agreement with the Catholic Faith want to spend time in a place where what they probably do believe is constantly disagreed with?
I think the question is why we bother staying? Or why do the moderators keep allowing such brutal behavior? Is it because this behaviour is normal for Catholics or perhaps nonCatholics don’t warrant decent treatment because they must be idiots to not be Catholic?
I understand that there are a few people in every forum that may do a lot of posting and not speak for the majority…but where are the others? Where are the people who bring reasonable discussion? Where is the respect? Or maybe you hope to drive non-Catholics away because we give another perspective of paganism that isn’t about demons, devils, covens, teenagers and Charmed? That maybe if it isn’t all those things…maybe its just another faith?
I’m hoping for reasonable, respectful discussion in this forum so I can learn.
*Discussion, to learn, what exactly? Please understand, as Catholics we firmly believe our Church to be the ‘true’ Church instituted by Christ, the Son of the Living God. To you, we could only say, STOP what you are doing, you are in grave peril and the people you ‘Help’, you help into perdition. To say anything else would deny the Truth, and so we are ‘obligated’ to speak to you, as a pagan, this way. I suspect that even our non-Catholic Christian friends would strongly suggest the same to you. What you will learn from this forum, is what the result of 500 years of dissention and dissimilation as wrought,… but the basic truth of “Jesus Christ, through his death and resurrection has opened the gates of heaven to us all”, this truth is never ending and indisputable. If you find yourself outside of this truth, by choice, then it is a choice with grave consequences. Your burden multiplies with the souls you ‘Help’ away from the Church. Thankfully you suggest they re-examine their faith first. Hopefully, they will dig deep into the mysteries of our faith and find the answers the need. What we need to do is to PRAY for you, for a understanding and conversion. Catholic life is not easy, it is a narrow road. Your life rejects what is seen as traditional limits, it is ‘I’ centered. The person creates his own relationship to the world and its nature. The Catholic Church is Christ centered, which in the end is more limitless than you could EVER imagine.
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ricmat
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Pagan_soul: I hope that no one thinks you are an idiot because you are not Catholic. I haven’t ready every post but if anyone actually said that, it wasn’t a very Catholic thing to do!
I will not attempt to speak for others (Catholics) here, but let me say this about myself (on this forum and others). Sometimes I’ll come off of a pretty heated discussion with e.g. a different pagan, or atheist, or whatever. Then I’ll start responding to e.g. pagan_soul on a similar issue, forgetting that you are a totally different person than the person I just finished arguing with. Sometimes I’ll assume, incorrectly, that your “pagan” viewpoint is exactly the same as the last person I argued so heatedly with. So shame on me, truly
You have my apology if I responded to you previously in an overly harsh way (I didn’t check the posts…but it’s possible).
This could be happening with other people as well.
Stick around, please! You are welcome!
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ricmat
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Pagan_soul: an addition to my last post.
Oftentimes an insipiration hits me, and I reflect on my past religious beliefs, or lack of them. And I say to myself “How could I have been such an idiot?” This happens a lot. I was a first class idiot. (Some will say that I still am
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When you come to realize the truth, you really want to help other people avoid going down the same wrong path that you went down. You want them to go down what you think is the right path, not because it’s an “I’m right and you’re wrong” sort of thing, but just because you want the best for them.
When you see a post that comes across as perhaps a bit strong, then just keep in mind that the poster is probably just “on fire” and has nothing against you personally.
Oftentimes an insipiration hits me, and I reflect on my past religious beliefs, or lack of them. And I say to myself “How could I have been such an idiot?” This happens a lot. I was a first class idiot. (Some will say that I still am
)When you come to realize the truth, you really want to help other people avoid going down the same wrong path that you went down. You want them to go down what you think is the right path, not because it’s an “I’m right and you’re wrong” sort of thing, but just because you want the best for them.
When you see a post that comes across as perhaps a bit strong, then just keep in mind that the poster is probably just “on fire” and has nothing against you personally.
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Church_Militant
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I think it’s critically important that we treat others here on this forum the way we would prefer to be treated. Luke 6:31 says " And as you wish that men would do to you, do so to them"
This can be especially difficult sometimes, especially if you are a Catholic member at some of the n-C/a-c forums and have either been banned or refused membership because you are Catholic and can explain and defend what we believe. This is not being banned for misconduct, but just for pointing out misrepresentations of Catholic belief or trying to clear up misunderstandings. I was essentially treated as if I am too damn stupid to discern the truth, and in one case was PMd that I would be a great asset to Christianity if I ever got saved and stopped being a tool of the devil. (I still
at that one)
I have also been subjected to some pretty rude remarks by n-Cs over there because I am Catholic. I hardly even read the posts there any more and never post there because it’s impossible to have a worthwhile discussion with anyone while the worst of the worst interject their posts. So I saty here and at Catholic Central now and figure that if anyone wants to get the straight dope on our most holy faith, they will find me here or there and we can try again.
I think it’s important not to give as good as you get, but give better. This is not about one-upmanship, but about sincere and honest seeking of the fullness of truth. There are no brownie points for feeding the ego.
One thing I love about CAF is the moderation. Whining and :crying: aside, I have been on other n/C forums and with one exception their moderation is either non-existent or they are as bad as their members. This is not true here at all. The Mods here enforce the Forum Rules and Banned Topics Policy about as even handedly as is humanly possible and I suspect that they have banned more Catholics percapita than n-C visitors.
Being of Irish & Polish decent I’ll debate with anybody, (as some of you have learned) and I’m fairly merciless with logic, Biblical knowledge, and historical facts, but I will not call names. I will call rhetoric & proganda for what they are but no one should ever assume that I am trying to indict the person I am arguing with. I am after the truth and if the argument is spurious or fallacious (IMO) it deserves no mercy.
My own faith was hard won and I know why we Catholics believe what we believe and have compared it to the Word of God and that’s why I’m Catholic.
I’m glad n-Cs come here and I have some good friends here among them, like Zooey, and some like djrakowski who alleges that I all but carried him accross the Tiber on my back.rotfl: )
If we maintain the highest levels of charity in our discussions, I think we should all at least (eventually) come away as friends, and some of you hard core n-Cs will become Catholics, whether you believe that it can ever happen right now or not.
I had no intention of returning to the faith.
Glory Be to God! HE had other plans for me!
Pax Domiini sit semper vobiscum.
This can be especially difficult sometimes, especially if you are a Catholic member at some of the n-C/a-c forums and have either been banned or refused membership because you are Catholic and can explain and defend what we believe. This is not being banned for misconduct, but just for pointing out misrepresentations of Catholic belief or trying to clear up misunderstandings. I was essentially treated as if I am too damn stupid to discern the truth, and in one case was PMd that I would be a great asset to Christianity if I ever got saved and stopped being a tool of the devil. (I still
at that one)I have also been subjected to some pretty rude remarks by n-Cs over there because I am Catholic. I hardly even read the posts there any more and never post there because it’s impossible to have a worthwhile discussion with anyone while the worst of the worst interject their posts. So I saty here and at Catholic Central now and figure that if anyone wants to get the straight dope on our most holy faith, they will find me here or there and we can try again.
I think it’s important not to give as good as you get, but give better. This is not about one-upmanship, but about sincere and honest seeking of the fullness of truth. There are no brownie points for feeding the ego.
One thing I love about CAF is the moderation. Whining and :crying: aside, I have been on other n/C forums and with one exception their moderation is either non-existent or they are as bad as their members. This is not true here at all. The Mods here enforce the Forum Rules and Banned Topics Policy about as even handedly as is humanly possible and I suspect that they have banned more Catholics percapita than n-C visitors.
Being of Irish & Polish decent I’ll debate with anybody, (as some of you have learned) and I’m fairly merciless with logic, Biblical knowledge, and historical facts, but I will not call names. I will call rhetoric & proganda for what they are but no one should ever assume that I am trying to indict the person I am arguing with. I am after the truth and if the argument is spurious or fallacious (IMO) it deserves no mercy.
My own faith was hard won and I know why we Catholics believe what we believe and have compared it to the Word of God and that’s why I’m Catholic.
I’m glad n-Cs come here and I have some good friends here among them, like Zooey, and some like djrakowski who alleges that I all but carried him accross the Tiber on my back.
rotfl: )If we maintain the highest levels of charity in our discussions, I think we should all at least (eventually) come away as friends, and some of you hard core n-Cs will become Catholics, whether you believe that it can ever happen right now or not.
I had no intention of returning to the faith.
Glory Be to God! HE had other plans for me!
Pax Domiini sit semper vobiscum.
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djrakowski
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OK, perhaps ‘carried’ is a bit too strong… how 'bout, you kept throwing me the life preserver as I was getting swept away in the current…and some like djrakowski who alleges that I all but carried him accross the Tiber on my back.
(nobody was more patient with my misconceptions and frustrations about Catholicism, and more intolerant of the nonsense that eventually led me out of RCIA and into private instruction with my parish priest, than CM)
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AlegreFe
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Hello Nate! Welcome to Catholic Answers Forums! I hope your stay here is a pleasant one.I believe the Holy Spirit led you here. :angel1:
If you have any questions feel free to start a thread and we’ll be happy to oblige.
You seem to be very open to learn. Those who are open to learn but have no intention to turn to the Church of Jesus Christ which is the Catholic Church, usually eventually convert.
God bless you. You are in my prayers.
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pagan_soul
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***Discussion, to learn, what exactly? **
To learn why people reject your faith when by doing so they also reject family, support, and a strong religious structure that has worked supposedly for many centuries. How you experience your faith, how it feels to you, what impact it has in your lives. And many, many more.
**Please understand, as Catholics we firmly believe our Church to be the ‘true’ Church instituted by Christ, the Son of the Living God. **
I completely appreciate what Catholics believe. I embrace the idea of Catholics loving their faith. But you are not allowed to embrace the idea of other faiths loving their faiths. You are required to discount all other faiths because they are not Catholic. I may not agree but I understand. You must do so as part of your religion. But within that framework is it possible to still have a discussion that doesn’t become simple posts of “come in from the dessert” or “seek Jesus” or a posting of some bible reference? These things don’t further discussions with non-Christians. Show me the understanding, the forgiveness, the power, the experiences of your faith and not these rude jestures.
To you, we could only say, STOP what you are doing, you are in grave peril and the people you ‘Help’, you help into perdition.
I completely understand that according to your faith helping someone explore a new faith is a very bad thing. I don’t ask them to go back to their church for your sake, my sake or the sake of their souls. I do it because in my faith to turn away from something because it is hard or because you have strong issues with it isn’t a good reason. It is often at those darkest, hardest moments that you are a split hair away from what you seek, perhaps even a spiritual upheaval that is like nothing you even hoped for. Having faith is supposed to be hard. You should only turn away because by staying in it any longer you are spiritually dying, you should be strongly drawn towards something, not away from something.
** To say anything else would deny the Truth, and so we are ‘obligated’ to speak to you, as a pagan, this way. **
Ah, but how are you obligated to speak to me? With abuse? With bible scripture? I have met many deeply spiritual people who by the simple act of them standing firmly in their faith I am a witness to the truth. I suppose I expected at least something close to that, but what I get is the assumption that I am so obviously simple that I haven’t heard that you feel strongly that Jesus is the way or reading the Bible has the answer. Sigh.
**I suspect that even our non-Catholic Christian friends would strongly suggest the same to you. **
My Christian friends respect me as a human being, and are at peace with my choice - even though in their eyes it means damnation.
**If you find yourself outside of this truth, by choice, then it is a choice with grave consequences. Your burden multiplies with the souls you ‘Help’ away from the Church. **
I welcome the burden and it isn’t a burden at all. When I tell someone that I’m sure they know what is right for them and that I’m sure that they will find the answers they seek and I see them transform from a scared child into a questioning adult I am transformed as well. That is when they risk questioning their faith, their old religions and grow in understanding. Often they see that what they run from had nothing to do with the church and they go back. So I’ll continue to welcome people who have the courage to question their faith. God can handle that and so can they.
I do appreciate the positive posts people have made. Thank you for taking the time.
To learn why people reject your faith when by doing so they also reject family, support, and a strong religious structure that has worked supposedly for many centuries. How you experience your faith, how it feels to you, what impact it has in your lives. And many, many more.
**Please understand, as Catholics we firmly believe our Church to be the ‘true’ Church instituted by Christ, the Son of the Living God. **
I completely appreciate what Catholics believe. I embrace the idea of Catholics loving their faith. But you are not allowed to embrace the idea of other faiths loving their faiths. You are required to discount all other faiths because they are not Catholic. I may not agree but I understand. You must do so as part of your religion. But within that framework is it possible to still have a discussion that doesn’t become simple posts of “come in from the dessert” or “seek Jesus” or a posting of some bible reference? These things don’t further discussions with non-Christians. Show me the understanding, the forgiveness, the power, the experiences of your faith and not these rude jestures.
To you, we could only say, STOP what you are doing, you are in grave peril and the people you ‘Help’, you help into perdition.
I completely understand that according to your faith helping someone explore a new faith is a very bad thing. I don’t ask them to go back to their church for your sake, my sake or the sake of their souls. I do it because in my faith to turn away from something because it is hard or because you have strong issues with it isn’t a good reason. It is often at those darkest, hardest moments that you are a split hair away from what you seek, perhaps even a spiritual upheaval that is like nothing you even hoped for. Having faith is supposed to be hard. You should only turn away because by staying in it any longer you are spiritually dying, you should be strongly drawn towards something, not away from something.
** To say anything else would deny the Truth, and so we are ‘obligated’ to speak to you, as a pagan, this way. **
Ah, but how are you obligated to speak to me? With abuse? With bible scripture? I have met many deeply spiritual people who by the simple act of them standing firmly in their faith I am a witness to the truth. I suppose I expected at least something close to that, but what I get is the assumption that I am so obviously simple that I haven’t heard that you feel strongly that Jesus is the way or reading the Bible has the answer. Sigh.
**I suspect that even our non-Catholic Christian friends would strongly suggest the same to you. **
My Christian friends respect me as a human being, and are at peace with my choice - even though in their eyes it means damnation.
**If you find yourself outside of this truth, by choice, then it is a choice with grave consequences. Your burden multiplies with the souls you ‘Help’ away from the Church. **
I welcome the burden and it isn’t a burden at all. When I tell someone that I’m sure they know what is right for them and that I’m sure that they will find the answers they seek and I see them transform from a scared child into a questioning adult I am transformed as well. That is when they risk questioning their faith, their old religions and grow in understanding. Often they see that what they run from had nothing to do with the church and they go back. So I’ll continue to welcome people who have the courage to question their faith. God can handle that and so can they.
I do appreciate the positive posts people have made. Thank you for taking the time.
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pira114
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Pagen,
You are a prime example of what drives me crazy here.
People come here, ask “innocent” questions, scoff at the answers, attempt to get us to question our faith, or at least “approve” of yours, and then wonder why we aren’t so nice when we get tired of you attacking us. As you would put it; sigh.
Give it up. Your here to try and disrupt our religious beliefs and you feel that you might be able to talk some logic or sense into us. Then you try and say we are hypocrits for getting upset with people like you. Go away and play your games elsewhere. If you want to learn because you are interested in finding Jesus, then stay. Otherwise, why should I entertain you at all? Why do you think I’m required to answer you in a certain way? Why do you think we are not allowed to defend ourselves? You obviously have been mislead as to the teachings of our faith.
I guess I’m not one of those “charitable” people. I’m not perfect. And I don’t speak for THE Church or anyone else on this forum, but I for one will continue to vigorously defend the ONE TRUE CHURCH from people like you. If that hurts your feelings, good. I don’t care. You are not a genuine person anyway. At least I’m not hiding behind false politness.
You are a prime example of what drives me crazy here.
People come here, ask “innocent” questions, scoff at the answers, attempt to get us to question our faith, or at least “approve” of yours, and then wonder why we aren’t so nice when we get tired of you attacking us. As you would put it; sigh.
Give it up. Your here to try and disrupt our religious beliefs and you feel that you might be able to talk some logic or sense into us. Then you try and say we are hypocrits for getting upset with people like you. Go away and play your games elsewhere. If you want to learn because you are interested in finding Jesus, then stay. Otherwise, why should I entertain you at all? Why do you think I’m required to answer you in a certain way? Why do you think we are not allowed to defend ourselves? You obviously have been mislead as to the teachings of our faith.
I guess I’m not one of those “charitable” people. I’m not perfect. And I don’t speak for THE Church or anyone else on this forum, but I for one will continue to vigorously defend the ONE TRUE CHURCH from people like you. If that hurts your feelings, good. I don’t care. You are not a genuine person anyway. At least I’m not hiding behind false politness.
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nate73
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Thank You for the kind words and I appreciate your prayers.
I believe the Holy Spirit led you here. :angel1:
If you have any questions feel free to start a thread and we’ll be happy to oblige.
You seem to be very open to learn. Those who are open to learn but have no intention to turn to the Church of Jesus Christ which is the Catholic Church, usually eventually convert.
God bless you. You are in my prayers.
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SedesDomi
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I’m here for the free cookies.
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skuld
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Hypocrisy goes both ways. Just thought to point that out.
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Mannyfit75
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Can you read the hearts of men?
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skuld
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Can you read the implication of my previous statement?
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artist3189
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Rude?
That I don’t get. You come on a Catholic religious web site, as a pagan, and get Catholic religious answers and you say rude. What do you expect people to say to you, that your are right in what you believe and do? You are an individual, you have free will, you can do whatever you want, that doesn’t make you a bad person, or a bad driver, or a bad cook, or a lousy housekeeper or whatever. We don’t know you and make no personal judgments on you at all. You may be the nicest person in your town, and that’s great. But you log onto a Catholic forum, you take the time to come on a Catholic forum…Catholic, not Pagan and you want everyone here to just, what, not challenge your ideas when you place them out there. You say you “welcome people who challenge their faith”, but we do that all the time. The reality is that if you go onto a faith based web site, you will get faith based replies, like it or not, and the fact that you expect all the language to be PC, is odd to say the least. We are obligated to tell you the truth, and it is not an attack on your personally or any judgment on you as a private citizen, it is a comment on the state of your soul. If that bothers you, then you may be in the wrong place. No one minds you being here at all, but please don’t tell us that we aren’t saying the right things the right way to you or that our Church does not allow growth or challenge, you should spend some time on the other forums to see that in action. No one said we didn’t respect you as a human being, or that you are ‘simple’. Don’t read into things, what I said I said directly, plainly, with no hidden meaning. You carry a grave burdene when you ‘help’ others into your beliefs. That’s just what we believe. If that bothers you, then you really don’t want to have a real dialogue. If you just want to understand what Catholics believe, you would be better served to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and other works first. Jesus is Mercy. There is always room.- Status