Just realized what the DaVinci Code

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John Kearns:
Tom Hanks and Ron Howard are both extremely liberal Democrats. That is, their emphasis is on the pro-abortion, pro gay rights, pro sexual promiscuity, etc., agenda. As such, they are card carrying Catholic haters. The wolf often wears sheep’s clothing. And Satan’s servants are all too often cute and cuddly.
Are you suggesting we boycot all Tom Hanks and Ron Howard films due to their political allegiance?

Despite their role in this film, I would hardly call either a servant of Satan. That’s taking it a bit too far, don’t you think? They’re misguided maybe? That’s probably a bit closer to the truth.

Still, Mijoy2 makes a great point … I wonder what was their true inspiration for turning Brown’s book into a major motion picture. It could be as simple as “The book made millions, imagine what the film will do.”
 
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cenpress:
Are you suggesting we boycot all Tom Hanks and Ron Howard films due to their political allegiance?

Despite their role in this film, I would hardly call either a servant of Satan. That’s taking it a bit too far, don’t you think? They’re misguided maybe? That’s probably a bit closer to the truth.

Still, Mijoy2 makes a great point … I wonder what was their true inspiration for turning Brown’s book into a major motion picture. It could be as simple as “The book made millions, imagine what the film will do.”
Did I suggest that we should boycott there films? No. But, thanks for pointing out my lapse. Yes, I think we should boycott this, and every subsequent film they make, until such time as they repent and apologize. Not due to their political allegience, but due to their spiritual allegience.

Which leads to the second paragraph. You think they are misguided. I don’t believe there are many “misguided” multi-millionaire actors and/or producers. At least, not above the age of 18 or there about. I believe they are active agents of evil. They may not view themselves as such, but their self-conception has very little to do with objective reality.

Finally, that leads us to the third paragraph, and my question to both you and the board. Clearly, it would be evil to make this movie if your intent was to lead people away from Christ and his One True Church. Is it not also evil to make the movie for the millions, when one of it’s side effect could be the same?
 
Let me just say this: I miss the days when people used to be arrested for writing things like that. 🙂
 
The DaVinci Code movie that is coming out upsets me also. I was thinking of not going to movie theaters to see any movie there, while they are showing the DaVinci Code. Maybe if these movie theaters find that they are losing money from Christian people, we can get our message across.

Anyone agree with this idea? Anyone have any other ideas?
 
If we just boycott the movie, I don’t think that it would do any good because many people will go to see it out of curiosity.

But, if we boycott the theater that’s showing the movie, while they are showing it, the theater will loose money, and may stop showing the movie or only show it for a short time.

I thought about buying the book to see what it says, so I can defend myself when people argue with me about it, however, someone told me that if I did, I would actually be supporting it. So, instead I found this website, which has a lot of information about it on it.
 
If I see it I’ll have to find some way to do so without them having any of my money in return.
 
mlchance said:
"[T]
he secret behind The Da Vinci Code was too well documented and significant for me to dismiss." – Author Dan Brown.

– Mark L. Chance.

Thanks Mark…be that as it may, it is still a fictional tale and not a theological work. I have read the book well at least a little over half of it before it became too boring and ill written for me…very obviously it is a fictional mystery novel.
But I thank you for the above information, which I take is in the front of the book and I will take time to search it out…before passing it on to our library so people wont support the real issue, money, by purchasing it.

Barb:)
 
After first reading DC I was very troubled, first because it was an attempt to undermine religious faith and secondly it is an afront to all the scholars, historians and archaeologists who have spent time actually studying the real history of the time.

Anyway later I was comforted in the fact that there is some good coming out of it. The heirs to christs kingdom are the downtrodden, the meek and those who thirst for justice.We have been handed a challenge, an opportunity to show the others a better way.

As an example, one of the defining reasons for me seeing the truth in Catholicism was the incredible mass hysterical anti-catholicism which pervades the world. They are always attacking us. For example in the 19th century the writer and liar Dickinson successfully perpetrated the myth that the church was against Columbus sailing in 1492 because they wanted us to belive that the the world was flat. In fact in reality scholastic monks had known about the world being a sphere since the middle ages. But still the myth persists. The work of the devil I say and its for us to use our God given intelligence to discern the lies from the Truth.
 
General Septem:
Let me just say this: I miss the days when people used to be arrested for writing things like that. 🙂
I hope you are kidding. :eek:
 
I think the Da Vinci Code is a storm in teacup…well I remember the hullaballoo over Chariots of The Gods and Jesus Christ Superstar…they died a natural death and in the main are forgotten and The Da Vinci Code will too - once we stop creating publicity over it. Indeed bad publicity can be the best type of publicity of all and especially in the arts - it sells tickets and copies; meanwhile while we create a great fuss about it it is selling copies and yes, Dan Brown and his publishers are laughing with glee all the way to the bank in reality and are probably millionaires on our publicity machine by now.

Having waded two thirds through TDVC, while I give whoever researched it absolutely full marks as there is a wealth of knowledge on various subjects within it - not necessarily interpreted with accuracy however, it is* not a well written book* to my mind and I abandoned it bored. As history, I think it flunks and as a novel it is not far behind except for the research factor.

By making a fuss about it, others want to discern what the fuss is all about, buy the book and may be influenced by it. Those that have something against Christianity in the first place, probably find it an excellent source to quote…but then if they could not quote TDVC, they would find something they can quote. Such are always with us and probably always will be and always will be able to quote something or other, Da Vinci Code or something else. Those truly seeking will not turn to a work of fiction to discern truth…or if they do, need to have it pointed out that it is a fictional work…else Dan Brown would not have written his concepts woven into a fictional tale…and if he could have written a factual book on the subjects, he would be a billionaire by now and we really would have something to be concerned about.
He may claim that some of his concepts are based in fact - yet as his conclusions are expressed in the book, they are fictional conclusions…that’s why it is a fictional novel and a fictional mystery detective novel. Not a history book.

Barb
 
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maggieg:
If we just boycott the movie, I don’t think that it would do any good because many people will go to see it out of curiosity.

But, if we boycott the theater that’s showing the movie, while they are showing it, the theater will loose money, and may stop showing the movie or only show it for a short time.

I thought about buying the book to see what it says, so I can defend myself when people argue with me about it, however, someone told me that if I did, I would actually be supporting it. So, instead I found this website, which has a lot of information about it on it.
Hi Maggieg…

I wont be going to see the movie, having tried to read the book (but was too bored to persevere to the end) I could not be bothered to see the movie…more royalties for Dan Brown and his publishers. If one would like to view the movie, wait until it comes out on DVD and hire it. I’m not too sure if DB and Co. get royalties out of the DVD but if one wants to see it its the lesser of two evils I think.
Why are they rushing to make the movie and with big money stars, because they expect to pull in a fortune from the movie…on our publicity.
The positive factor of having read the book or seen the movie is that one is speaking from experience, not hearsay, in arguing/speaking against it.

If anyone would like to read the book to make up their own mind but do not want to financially support inaccuracies on the religious front and specifically Catholicism…then I suggest you borrow it from a library. I’m lending my copy to a few people who want to read it and then I’m donating mine to our library so people wont need to buy it. My copy was a gift at Christmas and by someone whom I am quite sure expected to shake up and rattle my Catholicism…asked me if I had finished reading it a few weeks back and he was really surprised at my verdict, though did try not to show it.

Barb
 
Well, here’s how I see it. The book could be fixed using simple notepad. Replace all the proper nouns with made-up ones, and all you’ve got is a really boring book that nobody has any reason to read.

But make it about Jesus, and people lap it up like antifreeze at a petting zoo. I think people are just rebellious.
 
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TPJCatholic:
cenpress,

Let’s look at this subject through a lens of faith. As a Catholic I often study other religions, not because I intend on becoming a member of those others religons; rather, I study them to be a more informed Catholic so I can be a stronger witness to Christ. I do not need to become a Methodist in order to understand that Methodist theology is different then Catholic theology in many ways…all I have to do is study Methodist theology. I would say that if I became a Methodist in order to learn about their theology, I would be gravely sinning because I am a Roman Catholic and I am not “free” to join other faiths.

Similarly, one does not need to read/see the Da Vinci Code in order to know it contains some very bad stuff…all one needs to do is study trusted sources on the issue and that is plenty enough to inform us of what is wrong about that book/movie. Like I stated before, one does not need to have an abortion to know it is wrong.
I challenge your analogy. Reading a book is not like converting to another religion (Methodism isn’t another religion–from the Catholic perspective it’s a heretical form of the same religion–but that’s irrelevant to the argument). Reading a book implies no agreement with or approval of the contents. Reading the *Code *is analogous to reading the Qur’an in order to study Islam. It is not analogous to converting to Islam in order to study it.

To validate your analogy, you need to demonstrate some way in which reading a book commits one to the ideas contained in it. I think you will have trouble with this.

You’re setting up an infinite regress by arguing that you can get adequate knowledge about the book by reading other people’s analysis (this is a highly dubious claim in the first place–again, it’s like claiming that you can speak authoritatively about Islam without having read the Qur’an). Even if you were right on that, where would your sources get their knowledge of the book? At some point someone is going to have to read it.

Furthermore, in a work of fiction much depends on how things are presented. Without reading the book, you really don’t know what the general effect is. And in the case of a thriller, reviewers often suppress plot twists. For instance, many people think that Opus Dei is portrayed in the novel as employing an albino assassin to kill people. Actually, we discover at the end of the book that the assassin (while he himself is a member of Opus Dei, and so the novel does imply that an Opus Dei member might be brainwashed enough to become an assassin) is not working for Opus Dei, but for Lionel Teabing, who is trying to discredit the Catholic Church by killing people and framing Opus Dei. That’s a mildly important point–it doesn’t nullify the grave criticisms of the book, but it does make it at least somewhat less of a hatchet job than many people think. I would never have known this if I hadn’t read the book, because reviewers don’t talk about it in order not to give away the plot.

The traditional Catholic position, as I understand it (particularly from the late 16th century to the 20th century, though it goes back into the Middle Ages and to some extent even to the early Church), is that certain people in the Church (mostly clergy) can be trusted to read “bad” books with the Church’s approval. They can then digest these books for everyone else, so that ordinary laypeople are not corrupted.

I find it interesting that no one is defending this view, which would have been second nature to most Catholics until a f3ew decades ago. Clearly everyone on this board is deeply influenced by modern American democracy. In this case I think that’s a good thing–I think the traditional attitude was patronizing and harmful. But if you embrace that kind of egalitarianism, you need to bite the bullet and admit that anyone who wants to have an opinion about the *Code *should read the book. Otherwise you should be prepared not to be able to refute your friends and neighbors who love it.
Further, when we pay for a movie that we know is bad, our dollars are not counted in a separate column relating to people who are “studying” the film. No, our money is chaulked up as part of the basic bottomline of receipts for that movie and if the movie is successful, then the studios will simply encouraged to make more of the same. Every dollar we spend on such filth encourages more filth to be made. IMO. 🙂
That’s a good point, and that’s one of the reasons I will very likely not see the movie (anyway, I haven’t seen many movies in the theater recently). I read the book in a long airport layover, without buying it. In my own case I definitely needed to read it, because people kept mentioning it to me when they learned that I studied the history of Christianity for a living.

There are libraries, you know.

Edwin
 
thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-1.html

“Angels & Demons” and “The Da Vinci Code” are a virulent attack on our True God Jesus Christ, Christianity, and the Catholic Church imbedded in a novel. It is so deceptive that good Catholics will proclaim that the two books are very “good” and “smart”; even though they, personally, do not hold to any of their allegations.

This ONLY serves to highlight the danger and true evil of these books. They seem to be so convincing, honest and true that they could “deceive even the elect” (Matthew 24, 24)

People will claim that they are just works of fiction. That is true to a certain extent but they are not JUST works of fiction. They are works of theology [heresy actually], especially “The Da Vinci Code”, disguised as works of fiction. Both books are an unrelenting attack on Chrsitianity.

thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-1.html

“Brown purports to be a “real” historian and claims that his novel is based upon “proven” facts. He admits that he is trying to create a new theology. On ABC’s “20/20,” Brown spoke of “conversion to a new Christianity,” and he saw himself as on a mission to bring his religious message to America.”

It is due to the loss of the sense of the Sacred and the honor due to our Divine Lord that has allowed the allegations in these books to go virtually unchallenged. We have lost the sense of what it is to blaspheme God and the Truth He revealed.

thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-1.html

]"**And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints…" ** (Apoc. 13 6-7)
 
Mercurius said:
thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-1.html

“Angels & Demons” and “The Da Vinci Code” are a virulent attack on our True God Jesus Christ, Christianity, and the Catholic Church imbedded in a novel. It is so deceptive that good Catholics will proclaim that the two books are very “good” and “smart”; even though they, personally, do not hold to any of their allegations.

This ONLY serves to highlight the danger and true evil of these books. They seem to be so convincing, honest and true that they could “deceive even the elect” (Matthew 24, 24)

People will claim that they are just works of fiction. That is true to a certain extent but they are not JUST works of fiction. They are works of theology [heresy actually], especially “The Da Vinci Code”, disguised as works of fiction. Both books are an unrelenting attack on Chrsitianity.

thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-1.html

“Brown purports to be a “real” historian and claims that his novel is based upon “proven” facts. He admits that he is trying to create a new theology. On ABC’s “20/20,” Brown spoke of “conversion to a new Christianity,” and he saw himself as on a mission to bring his religious message to America.”

It is due to the loss of the sense of the Sacred and the honor due to our Divine Lord that has allowed the allegations in these books to go virtually unchallenged. We have lost the sense of what it is to blaspheme God and the Truth He revealed.

thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-1.html

]"**And he opened his mouth unto blasphemies against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints…" **

(Apoc. 13 6-7)

“Love your enemies and do good to those that persecute and calumniate you”
Attacking our enemies in some way goes back to the days of The Inquisition and the assertion that we have the right to punish those whom we regard as heretical etc…Jesus has stated otherwise. Nothing disturbs Satan more than to laugh at it! Nothing it enjoys more than a good fight! “fear not, I have overcome Satan”
If Brown is going to claim historian, then he needs to prove himself to historians and historical facts…and this would be impossible. History is conclusions based on known facts. Apparently the facts Brown knows are know only to him…and if his book is based on fact why not write a factual book and not a fictional novel.
Anyone can claim anything I guess…but the claim does not create a reality. It must remain a personal claim that is proven or unproven…and in Brown’s case it is unproven, hence any claim to historian he may make is ineffectual.

All our fuss about the novel is doing, is inciting people to feel that where there is smoke, there must be a fire…no smoke even to me! The novel remains to me a badly written well researched mystery fictional tale.

To anyone who quotes the book to me as in some way a fact on record I would reply that they are crazier than me and need a psychiatrist more than I do. I laugh at such conclusions. This causes the person to wonder why I am laughing and the seed of doubt re the book is planted - and a just seed to my mind. If I lash out and attack the book, then the person thinks there must indeed be something in the book that worries me. There isn’t! Its fiction!

Barb:)
 
thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-5.html

You assume people are far more intelligent and historically aware than they REALLY ARE. The vast majority of people are easily deceived. And this material will be used by the enemies of Christianity to convince their followers of the falsety of our religion.

The TRUTH MUST be PROCLAIMED from the HOUSETOPS. We should NOT HIDE our light under the bed but put it HIGH for everyone to see.

If you read the early Church Fathers you will see with what vigor they defended the truth. Even the “apostle of love”, St. John, vehemently attacked the early heretics - you can see how he reacted to even the mere precense of heretics in EUSIBIUS Ecclesiastical history.

After 40 years of namby pamby “love” and “peace” catholicism stating the truth CLEARLY does SEEM like “hatered” when in FACT it is done for the love of souls so they might not be poisoned by error and LOSE THEIR SOULS.

Yes, believe it or not, people do go to hell if they reject the truth and ebrace error:

The Athansian Creed declares: “From thence He [Jesus Christ] shall come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; And shall give account of their own works.And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.**This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully, he cannot be saved. **

thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-5.html
 
Mercurius said:
thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-5.html

You assume people are far more intelligent and historically aware than they REALLY ARE. The vast majority of people are easily deceived. And this material will be used by the enemies of Christianity to convince their followers of the falsety of our religion.

The TRUTH MUST be PROCLAIMED from the HOUSETOPS. We should NOT HIDE our light under the bed but put it HIGH for everyone to see.

If you read the early Church Fathers you will see with what vigor they defended the truth. Even the “apostle of love”, St. John, vehemently attacked the early heretics - you can see how he reacted to even the mere precense of heretics in EUSIBIUS Ecclesiastical history.

After 40 years of namby pamby “love” and “peace” catholicism stating the truth CLEARLY does SEEM like “hatered” when in FACT it is done for the love of souls so they might not be poisoned by error and LOSE THEIR SOULS.

Yes, believe it or not, people do go to hell if they reject the truth and ebrace error:

The Athansian Creed declares: “From thence He [Jesus Christ] shall come to judge the living and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies; And shall give account of their own works.And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting, and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.**This is the Catholic Faith, which except a man believe faithfully, he cannot be saved. **

thedavincicodedemolished.com/Angels-Demons-5.html

Amen. Pray for us St Anthony… The Heretic Hammer
 
I think that the thing that most people have to remember about this book is that it’s meant to be a novel. Dan Brown didn’t write a history book, it’s a novel. Hence the reason it’s in the “Fiction” section of book stores.
 
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