Just what is "common sense gun control?" How about a few examples?

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Waiting periods consistent nationally from state to state, city to city, etc… no walking out of a gun show with a gun.

Background checks nationally consistent from state to state, city to city

Regulation of the amount and type of ammo one can purchase in a given period of time… consistent nationally

Rigorous background checks for dealers… consistent nationally

Mandatory jail time for any infraction by a dealer -public or private

Outlaw private sale

Federal funding to study the problem of gun violence

NRA money out of politics

No assault weapons

Don’t tell me we have these laws and they don’t work. Our laws are not consistent from city to city, state to state, enforcement is spotty, there are no controls on private sales.

Rigorously enforce the laws nationally

These are simple laws that I don’t know how anyone could argue against.

We have way too many guns on the street… we have a gun violence problem… the answer is certainly not to make it easier to get a gun… that idea is insane
 
A semi-automatic or automatic firearm will use some of the energy from the burning gunpowder to eject the empty casing and load a fresh cartridge. The empty casing just falls to the ground and can be difficult to find in the heat of the moment.

Revolvers have no need to eject a casing as the cylinder brings the next cartridge into position when the trigger is pulled or the hammer is cocked back.
 
Yep, and you’d be surprised at the things a shell casing can tell you 🙂 If you can find the firearm and the shell casings, can possibly match them up. Works almost all firearms due to the unique “features” found in the chamber area of the weapon. if you don’t leave the casing behind, there’s less evidence available on scene. I do have to wonder how one shoots a .500S&W magnum sideways…
 
godisgood77 said:
Waiting periods consistent nationally from state to state, city to city, etc… no walking out of a gun show with a gun.
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Waiting periods don’t do anything. They’re particularly ridiculous for those that already own firearms.
godisgood77 said:
Background checks nationally consistent from state to state, city to city
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National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) is already federal. It’s run by the FBI.
godisgood77 said:
Regulation of the amount and type of ammo one can purchase in a given period of time… consistent nationally
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No way. Not only would it have no impact, it would be infringing on a right. I shoot ~1,500 rounds per month. That might be more than a lifetime of ammo for you, but for many it’s a few days.
godisgood77 said:
Rigorous background checks for dealers… consistent nationally
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It’s already that way through the BATFE.
godisgood77 said:
Mandatory jail time for any infraction by a dealer -public or private
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“infraction?”" What do you mean exactly?
godisgood77 said:
Outlaw private sale
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All sales must already go through a federally licensed firearms dealer in many states. Hasn’t made a lick of difference. LV massacre would have still happened.
godisgood77 said:
Federal funding to study the problem of gun violence
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The FBI and BATFE are already doing that – and have for quite some time.
 
godisgood77 said:
NRA money out of politics
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There’s not that much NRA money in politics to begin with. That’s a fact that can be looked-up. What’s there can be taken out right after the anti-gun groups (the Brady Campaign, Everytown for Gun Safety, Violence Policy Center, etc.) remove their massive $$$.
godisgood77 said:
No assault weapons
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Select-fire machine guns (AKA “assault weapons”) are already under tight control.
godisgood77 said:
Don’t tell me we have these laws and they don’t work. Our laws are not consistent from city to city, state to state, enforcement is spotty, there are no controls on private sales.
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They don’t/won’t. Every one (except the ammo control which is coming) is already in place (plus a great many more) here in CA. They don’t do a darned thing except make it more difficult for law-abiding people to own firearms. There’s hard data on this. You should review it.
godisgood77 said:
Rigorously enforce the laws nationally
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You don’t think the feds are doing their jobs? One thing I would strongly support is the stripping away of ALL gun-control laws at the state/local levels, with only federal gun control laws remaining. Places like CA, NY, NJ and MA would end up with far fewer laws, but that would be fine as it wouldn’t make a difference anyway.
godisgood77 said:
These are simple laws that I don’t know how anyone could argue against.
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Many can argue against ridiculous laws that have already been proven not to be effective. The real problem is what does the gov’t do next after people like you are aware what you describe has no positive impact? You come up with an additional list, and one after that, and on, and on…
godisgood77 said:
We have way too many guns on the street… we have a gun violence problem… the answer is certainly not to make it easier to get a gun… that idea is insane
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The insane idea is the belief that making it more difficult for law-abiding people to buy firearms is somehow going to keep criminals from using them to commit crimes. There are at least 350M guns in the US. The gates have already been open for a long time. Your “ideas” won’t do a darned thing to reduce gun-related crimes.
 
Common sense gun control would be enforcing the laws we already have on the books.
 
Theo520 said:
Not so, the feds could crack down on straw man purchases. Put the fear of prison in to friends and family that arm felons. Etc etc.
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PLENTY of ridiculous gun control laws out there! There are waiting periods to pick-up newly purchased firearms even for those that already own firearms (and are in the federal system) and even have licenses to carry concealed firearms.

We have a gun control law here in California (Google “micro-stamping guns”) that cannot be met because micro-stamping has proven not to be possible in a production environment so certain guns (a growing number of semi-automatic pistols) simply aren’t offered for sale.

Any firearm chambered for the .50 BMG cannot be sold new in California. Yet the .510 DTC (produced in part to get around the ban) is 100% legal.

There are MOUNTAINS of ridiculous gun control laws out there.
 
Duesenberg said:
Not just CA. HI, NY, NY, MA, WA, OR, etc., etc.
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My earlier comment is still relevant. Even in these states it’s rare to see our foundational gun control laws regularly enforced. They add funky new regulations but don’t crack down on criminals having guns or strawman purchases.
 
Theo520 said:
My earlier comment is still relevant. Even in these states it’s rare to see our foundational gun control laws regularly enforced. They add funky new regulations but don’t crack down on criminals having guns or strawman purchases.
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That’s not really true. Do you have any proof that gun control laws aren’t regularly enforced?
 
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Those of us who live in countries with common sense gun laws (licence needed, no hand guns except for specialist purposes, no carrying of firearms without purpose, no right to buy guns for self defence, tightly controlled imports etc.) have no trouble understanding the issue. What we have trouble understanding is American gun supporters.
 
I live in North Dakota. It’s a state where there aren’t many firearm restrictions beyond federal level restrictions (mostly additional stuff relating to violent misdemeanors). It would not surprise me if there were more firearms in the state than there are residence, and by a large margin.

Prior to the influx of “interesting” people due to oilfield activities, there just wasn’t that much crime out here. The state was consistently either the safest in the nation or close to it. It wasn’t uncommon to see collections of multiple gauges of shotguns, multiple calibres of rifles, and multiple types of handguns. Husband would use say a 12 gauge and wife a 16 or 20 gauge; or husband would use a 30-06 and wife would use a .243Win. Also includes people with AR’s, AK’s, SKS’s, M1A’s, etc.

The first 5 years I was in town, we had no homicides. Then, within an 18 month period, we had 4-5. Of those, only one of the murderers was a “local” person. Not a single one of these was with an “assault rifle” or similar “high capacity” weapon. If “guns” were the problem, why hadn’t all of the locals annihilated themselves long ago?
 
FiveLinden said:
Those of us who live in countries with common sense gun laws (licence needed, no hand guns except for specialist purposes, no carrying of firearms without purpose, no right to buy guns for self defence, tightly controlled imports etc.) have no trouble understanding the issue. What we have trouble understanding is American gun supporters.
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Are you being serious? The fantasy under the guise of “common sense gun laws” is the belief that piling on more gun control laws is somehow going to make things safer. Just as in your country (wherever that might be), it will not.

Most people that make comments like yours live in relatively tiny countries with relatively homogeneous populations – a far cry from the USA.

There are ~350M firearms in the US. Even if the Second Amendment was abolished, do you really think citizens would turn in their guns? More specifically, do you think criminals would turn in their weapons? No! We live in a world today where guns can be produced in small numbers in small shops. Good luck in trying to remove guns from any country today.
 
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Seeksadvice said:
Prior to the influx of “interesting” people due to oilfield activities, there just wasn’t that much crime out here. The state was consistently either the safest in the nation or close to it. It wasn’t uncommon to see collections of multiple gauges of shotguns, multiple calibres of rifles, and multiple types of handguns. Husband would use say a 12 gauge and wife a 16 or 20 gauge; or husband would use a 30-06 and wife would use a .243Win. Also includes people with AR’s, AK’s, SKS’s, M1A’s, etc.
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I can make the exact same comments about where I grew up in California… Why are guns such a hot item to ban today, when largely the same guns have been available for at least 50 years?
 
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