Just what is "common sense gun control?" How about a few examples?

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Egh, I think it depends on the person. I’m from a demographic group the generally trusts the police, and I generally trust the police. Even though I’m not doing anything illegal, I still don’t like the concept that they can stop and search me without cause. It might have a positive affect for certain groups, but that doesn’t actually make it right.
 
How about laws currently on the books?

I’d say the current ban on fully automatic weapons (excepting class 3 holders, of course) is probably a good example of “common sense gun control”.
 
But is it common sense to have legal kits and bump stocks that can completely circumvent that ban by making a semi automatic turn into a fully automatic, such as the case in Vegas.
 
Common sense gun laws include tighter control on who can buy weapons. Currently, people with mental illnesses or people on the no-fly list are allowed to purchase weapons. This is a problem.
 
anikins said:
Common sense gun laws include tighter control on who can buy weapons. Currently, people with mental illnesses or people on the no-fly list are allowed to purchase weapons. This is a problem.
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No.

People who have been adjudicated as mentally ill cannot purchase or own firearms. You’re wrong.

People can be placed on the no fly list for a number of reasons – including mistakes in the case of Ted Kennedy. You cannot take a civil right away without due process. That’s the law of the land.
 
Jamie5 said:
But is it common sense to have legal kits and bump stocks that can completely circumvent that ban by making a semi automatic turn into a fully automatic, such as the case in Vegas.
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I don’t know of any “legal kits” that will turn a semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic machine gun.

I can make firearms bump-fire without a special buttstock. I’m sure there are Youtube videos that show how. Go ahead and ban them – they are a novelty anyway. What I am looking for are concrete examples of gun control that will actually reduce gun-related violent crime.
 
Vonsalza said:
How about laws currently on the books?

I’d say the current ban on fully automatic weapons (excepting class 3 holders, of course) is probably a good example of “common sense gun control”.
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Oh, no, no, I’m talking about the “common sense gun control” that the politicos talk about every time there is a mass shooting. The NFA has been in place since 1934.
 
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Keep up.

www.nbcnews.com

Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

The various reasons for people to be placed on a no-fly list are chosen because they have been deemed a threat to public safety. Arguing for people on the no-fly list to have access to purchase weapons is a perfect example of “no common sense”.
 
anikins said:
Keep up.
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Trump signs bill revoking Obama-era gun checks for mental illness

The new law nullifies an Obama-backed rule that added people with mental illnesses to the national background check database.

The various reasons for people to be placed on a no-fly list are chosen because they have been deemed a threat to public safety. Arguing for people on the no-fly list to have access to purchase weapons is a perfect example of “no common sense”.
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It’s you that needs to “keep up.”

The law (one of Obama’s slimy executive orders) was unconstitutional and it was causing outrage – particularly among veterans. Need help managing your finances and the VA finds out? WHAM! you’re declared mentally incompetent and your right to keep and bear arms is taken away. If you want to take guns away from the mentally incompetent, that’s great – just go through due process which is the law of the land.

There is absolutely NOTHING from President Trump that keeps the FBI from adding mental health information to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. It’s too bad that Obama didn’t work to add legally procured information to this database.

The no fly list is a non-starter. It doesn’t include due process.
 
It sounds like you’re already convinced that no kind of “gun control” is needed or will ever work, is that a fair assumption? The first step, if anything is to be done, is to recognize that indeed some kind of “common sense gun control” IS needed to help prevent the next mass shooting.
 
Jamie5 said:
It sounds like you’re already convinced that no kind of “gun control” is needed or will ever work, is that a fair assumption? The first step, if anything is to be done, is to recognize that indeed some kind of “common sense gun control” IS needed to help prevent the next mass shooting.
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You’re tap-dancing around my question. I asked if anyone could provide concrete examples of gun control that would reduce violent, gun-related crime in the US? Not something that’s been on the books since 1934. Something the politicos could talk about right now instead of just popping-off that “we need more common sense gun control.” So far no one has produced a concrete example – including yourself.
 
joeybaggz said:
Jamie, you hit the nail right on the head. This poster (the OP) is a far right wing
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That’s not only a lie, it’s an ad hominem attack. I would expect that on other forums, but not here on CAF.

All it does it telegraph the fact you have nothing in your quiver to offer in terms of facts. In terms of a solution.

All you offer is emotion and rudeness.
 
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Common Sense Gun Control, and the Issue of " Gun Control " is nothing more than softer and slyer way of saying that America needs to repeal and do away with the Second Amendment. On the whole that is, granted some things need to be taken in account, sensless modifications of rifles and pistols, and what ever, but duesenberg you are right, in the end it doesn’t really stop gun violence or even the odds on protecting oneself from whom ever. But even though these laws are barely doing anything to stop gun violence, it is better than doing nothing at all. Because there is the off chance that the law could some how one day down the road prevent one criminal from causing a lot of violence on others or just on one person, and that would be worth doing.
 
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joeybaggz said:
All it does it telegraph the fact you have nothing in your quiver to offer in terms of facts.
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Fact, more Americans have died from gun violence (in the past 50 years) that have been killed in all the wars in the history of this country. 1.3 million dead from wartime casualty, 1.5 million from gun violence.

The use of a gun from the 32nd floor of a hotel will kill more people than say, throwing baseball bats at them. Guns kill.
I do agree that they don’t kill on their own, but neither do automobiles unless there is a drunk or a texter at the wheel.
And there are limits on automobiles. Can’t run stock cars, Indy cars, or professional drag racers on the street.
Alcohol is controlled and regulated, so are many other things, yet you argue against control of guns which are at least if not more deadly that other regulated and controlled commodities.
I stated that you, in all your previous posts, have done nothing but argue for the unfettered proliferation of guns - this is a deduction from the fact that you vehemently oppose any control whatsoever. My attack is not ad hominem, it is an observation of your posting history.
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Is this clip a parody? Seriously, is it? I had to laugh out loud! Walsh is so misinformed!

“Assault rifles” have been under very tight federal control since 1934.

I’m not sure what he meant by “high speed clip”? Did he mean normal capacity magazines?

The “Black Talon” ammo comment was vintage, but it was best of all! Truly laughable! Just another “scare” from the politicos.
 
joeybaggz said:
Fact, more Americans have died from gun violence (in the past 50 years) that have been killed in all the wars in the history of this country. 1.3 million dead from wartime casualty, 1.5 million from gun violence.
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Fact, that’s not going to change due to increased gun control that won’t do a darned thing.
 
Fact, that’s not going to change due to increased gun control that won’t do a darned thing.
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So what, let’s just sit on our collective a**es and do nothing as the body counts rise???
 
There have been great examples of common sense gun laws proposed in this thread already.

There is a way for us to have common sense gun laws AND there is a way for lawful responsible gun owners to be able to use weapons for sporting, hunting, what have you… but the only way we’re going to do that is if we don’t have a situation in which anything that is proposed is viewed as some tyrannical destruction of the Second Amendment. That’s how the issue too often gets framed.
 
Duesenberg said:
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Vonsalza:
How about laws currently on the books?

I’d say the current ban on fully automatic weapons (excepting class 3 holders, of course) is probably a good example of “common sense gun control”.
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Oh, no, no, I’m talking about the “common sense gun control” that the politicos talk about every time there is a mass shooting. The NFA has been in place since 1934.
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Ok, so the current status of gun control in America is just fine? So you’d consider all the presently enacted laws to be “common sense gun control”, correct?

How about the Bump-Stock that the LV shooter used to make his rifle a functional automatic? Should that be banned?
 
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