Just what is "common sense gun control?" How about a few examples?

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Ok.
Just for fun, let’s go the other way.
How about require by law everyone that is currently allowed under the law to take a safety course, and require ownership of a weapon also with required open carry at all times.

Surely the prospect that every prospective victim is armed would slow down the criminal element…

Thoughts?
 
Common Sense Gun Control, and the Issue of " Gun Control " is nothing more than softer and slyer way of saying that America needs to repeal and do away with the Second Amendment. On the whole that is, granted some things need to be taken in account, sensless modifications of rifles and pistols, and what ever, but duesenberg you are right, in the end it doesn’t really stop gun violence or even the odds on protecting oneself from whom ever. But even though these laws are barely doing anything to stop gun violence, it is better than doing nothing at all. Because there is the off chance that the law could some how one day down the road prevent one criminal from causing a lot of violence on others or just on one person, and that would be worth doing.
I largely agree except for one point. Focusing on more gun control as a panacea as many politicos do, takes the focus away from the real roots of the problem.

Hillary Clinton began attacked the NRA, the sensible bill to make firearm suppressors more easily available (just as they are throughout Europe) and demand for more “commonsense gun control” the very night of the massacre. She was quickly followed by those also of her ilk. Nothing more than political pigs slopping in their pigpens.

In the process I heard nothing (and continue to hear nothing) about the real cause of these mass shootings – mental health. I heard nothing about the growing abuse of psychotropic drugs and painkillers in the US. I heard nothing about how the Attorney General under Obama almost completely chose not to prosecute those who committed felonies while trying to illegally purchase firearms.

The gun control issue (like abortion) is so politicized that I truly feel nothing will get done in the areas (mental health) that need to get done.
 
Ok.

Just for fun, let’s go the other way.

How about require by law everyone that is currently allowed under the law to take a safety course, and require ownership of a weapon also with required open carry at all times.

Surely the prospect that every prospective victim is armed would slow down the criminal element…

Thoughts?
Compulsory firearms safety training beginning in elementary school (eg. NRA’s award-winning Eddie Eagle Gun Safety Program) is a good step. It used to happen in the US, de-facto, for generations.

I would not require anyone to own a firearm or to carry it. That’s not up to the gov’t.

What I would do is de-politisize the process one must go through to legally carry a concealed firearm. I think it would be great to make such programs very rigorous, just keep the politics out.
 
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There is a way for us to have common sense gun laws AND there is a way for lawful responsible gun owners to be able to use weapons for sporting, hunting, what have you… but the only way we’re going to do that is if we don’t have a situation in which anything that is proposed is viewed as some tyrannical destruction of the Second Amendment. That’s how the issue too often gets framed.
Please list a few that aren’t already in place. Thanks.
 
So what, let’s just sit on our collective a**es and do nothing as the body counts rise???
No, we should focus on the terribly difficult things that actually drive violent crime in the US, beginning with mental health.
 
At the obvious risk of attack can I say that most countries in the civilised world have strict gun controls and as a very direct consequence a tiny proportion of the deaths which the US accepts as ‘the price of freedom’

It is a choice these deaths are not unavoidable.
 
You may be missing the point that many are trying to make here. The current laws are wrong and need to be changed in order to make space for common sense.
 
You may be missing the point that many are trying to make here. The current laws are wrong and need to be changed in order to make space for common sense.
Oh, I would agree with that. The first thing I would do is start with an absolute tabula rasa.

Next, ALL gun control laws would exist at the Federal level in order to get rid of the ridiculous state-by-state differences.

I would reform the National Firearms Act to no longer control suppressors.

From there a fruitful conversation might ensue so as to agree what to add back which already exists today.
 
At the obvious risk of attack can I say that most countries in the civilised world have strict gun controls and as a very direct consequence a tiny proportion of the deaths which the US accepts as ‘the price of freedom’

It is a choice these deaths are not unavoidable.
That’s just silly. Take Swizerland for instance. It’s a very small, largely homogeneous nation. Firearms abound but the country in huge numbers yet it’s extremely safe because of the culture – not because of gun control laws.

These deaths are not unavoidable, but more gun control laws aren’t going to make them any more rare.
 
FWIW, bump-fire stocks should NEVER have been approved by the BATFE. The gov’t failed. The BATFE shouldn’t have approved binary trigger assemblies either. The gov’t failed againit will be interesting to see if the anti-gun politicos even pick-up on this. The BATFE finally got one right in the case of the AutoGlove. Finally!

The NRA would be foolish to oppose banning these sorts of novelty items. Even more important, the gov’t should do a batter job of banning them in the first place!

 
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Switzerland actually has very strict controls on guns and ammunition. Nevertheless because a lot of guns are held at home it has a relatively high level of gun deaths (by European standards - tiny by US standards).
 
Switzerland actually has very strict controls on guns and ammunition. Nevertheless because a lot of guns are held at home it has a relatively high level of gun deaths (by European standards - tiny by US standards).
No, that’s not true. Most homes have one or more ACTUAL assault weapons located in them. They don’t have to be secured in safes like they do in much of the US. Ammo is provided free by the gov’t for shooting match purposes.
 
What about Brazil? 70,000 firearms-related deaths last year with all that gun control and they’re on pace for 80,000+ in 2017.
 
Oh, believe me, ad hominem , the strawman argument and appeal to authority are the favorites on here.

And I agree with what you say on the NRA review.
 
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Well every politician knows to not let a good crisis go with out politicizing it. The mental health aspect as valid as it is, becomes very problematic. Who judges then the mental stability of someone on wether or not they should have the legal right to own a fire arm. That right there is enough to stall any well intentioned plan to keep firearms out of the hands of those with severe mental issues. But even then no one can even remotely come close to keeping fire arms out of the hands of those who are intent on finding them and using them, be those who are mentally ill or not.

Any Democrat politician knows that the second a gun is fired or used in a crime, the first thing to do is blame the NRA, second, blame a Republican. We can argue about suppressors, or these now controversial butt stocks that some how do something to make rounds fire faster, but then what about when people realize that they can alter the trigger to squeeze faster, then someone will say well we have to ban that too.

The entire arguement becomes pointless, because then once you figure out how much needs to be controled of the actual weapon, then you have to get into the bullets and gun powder. The government could easily declare that those who make the bullets need to make them fire at a slower velocity and then ipsofacto guns are a little more useless. But people still have the right to have firearms.

The stupidity of it all never ends.

I guess if I had to force myself what is common sense gun control, would be to say that the government does have the right to limit how much ammunition and firearms one can legally own at any given time, and to ban any altercations to a fire arm or cartridge holder that. An can limit fire arm by type as well, such as being able to own only one of each, shotgun, rifle, pistol, and semi automatic rifle. An then if someone says well how much ammunition do we get, I guess if i had to pull a number out of the air I would say no more than 100 rounds of ammunition at any given time for each firearm. An then the government can change that for times of conflict or whatever.
It is really hard to argue why someone needs a stock pile of ammunition and a stock pile of firearms, when it is just for one person. An since one cant legally create their own standing army and militias are limited by state, it becomes even harder to vailidify the need. Not to mention that we have a well equipped military as it is,so if another force were to beat our military our country would be toast and needing a stock pile would be pretty pointless by that point in time and an underground resistance would be needed.

But again that is just spit balling BS in the event I was forced to make a decision, honestly I just don’t care over all, because if I really had to have a fire arm, I would find a way to get one legally or not.
 
What do you think needs to be done to fix the mental health problem in the US?
 
Click here to read what Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong has to say about gun control.
 
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