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AlNg
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People have children and they don’t want them to be gunned down and murdered at school by someone who has stolen weapons from your stockpile.
Just what is "common sense gun control?" How about a few examples?
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Duesenberg
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Great posting, but it’s also important to practice shooting one’s handguns with one hand – using both our strong and weak hands.
Also, never, never, never put your finger on the trigger until you’re going to pull it.
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Duesenberg
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Your comments make no sense.
1.) Firearms are expensive. Most “stockpiles” are kept in gun safes or other security measures are taken.
2.) Firearms can be stolen from someone who owns as few as one, and still used to kill.
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Duesenberg
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No. It’s time to honestly tackle the issues (e.g. mental health) that will help prevent future massacres. You want to “help” victims. The intent should be to prevent more victims.
LOL! Ain’t gonna happen. You honestly think criminals/whackos would keep up the premiums? Or are you going to try to charge gun buyers a huge amount up front for the insurance? Either way, it’s not going to happen.
Owning/driving a motor vehicle in the US is a privilege. Keeping and bearing arms is a constitutionally-protected right. Apples and oranges.
Yeah, that’ll happen…
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Duesenberg
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One terrible thing with all this gun-control claptrap is now it terribly impacts safely exposing and teaching youngsters how to respect and safely operate firearms.
Back in the day (not all that long ago) kids were eager to learn about firearms and how to operate them. They were taught to respect them and not to fear them as they are today. It was part of being an American.
Young girls were often better shots than their male counterparts (they tend to be better focused at that age) which heightened their interest in “learning to shoot.” If parents didn’t already own a .22LR rifle (by far the most common “first gun” which are not used to mass killings), someone – a relative, neighbor or the local gun shop had nice, used ones for sale at very low prices. Many were passed down through the generations.
To purchase that used, single-shot $50.00 .22LR rifle here in CA today, one must first purchase a $25.00 Gun Safety Certificate after passing a terribly trivial test. Then the buyer must undergo and pay for a background check – another $25.00 and have the single shot .22LR rifle locked up at a local gun shop for 10 days.
That used $50.00 rifle just effectively doubled in price and the process makes law-abiding citizens feel like criminals – while real criminals laugh at this process – and ignore it altogether.
I think the gun-banners here in CA want fewer people introduced to gun safety and proper ownership.
Back in the day (not all that long ago) kids were eager to learn about firearms and how to operate them. They were taught to respect them and not to fear them as they are today. It was part of being an American.
Young girls were often better shots than their male counterparts (they tend to be better focused at that age) which heightened their interest in “learning to shoot.” If parents didn’t already own a .22LR rifle (by far the most common “first gun” which are not used to mass killings), someone – a relative, neighbor or the local gun shop had nice, used ones for sale at very low prices. Many were passed down through the generations.
To purchase that used, single-shot $50.00 .22LR rifle here in CA today, one must first purchase a $25.00 Gun Safety Certificate after passing a terribly trivial test. Then the buyer must undergo and pay for a background check – another $25.00 and have the single shot .22LR rifle locked up at a local gun shop for 10 days.
That used $50.00 rifle just effectively doubled in price and the process makes law-abiding citizens feel like criminals – while real criminals laugh at this process – and ignore it altogether.
I think the gun-banners here in CA want fewer people introduced to gun safety and proper ownership.
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Isca
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I’m with you on this one, SusanneT. I’m in the UK. We have had a small number of mass shootings over the years, but the response to those was a tightening of already strict gun ownership laws. Wiki gives the facts and figures, but basically our death rate from firearm attacks is very low.
Basically, unless you can prove you need a firearm for a legitimate purpose you can’t have one, and the type of firearm you are allowed to own will also be restricted.
That works for us in the UK, because most people will never even want to touch a gun, let alone own one. In the USA, where gun ownership is seen as normal, respectable and a right, it’s far more complicated. You have to change minds, hearts and also stand up to powerful lobby groups.
Basically, unless you can prove you need a firearm for a legitimate purpose you can’t have one, and the type of firearm you are allowed to own will also be restricted.
That works for us in the UK, because most people will never even want to touch a gun, let alone own one. In the USA, where gun ownership is seen as normal, respectable and a right, it’s far more complicated. You have to change minds, hearts and also stand up to powerful lobby groups.
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Duesenberg
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They just use different weapons in the UK today. Here’s a brief list from 2017 alone:
22 March 2017 2017 Westminster attack London, England 6 killed 49 injured A vehicle and knife attack.
22 May 2017 2017 Manchester Arena bombing Manchester, England 23 killed 250+ injured A bombing.
3 June 2017 June 2017 London Bridge attack London, England 8 killed 48 injured A vehicle and knife attack.
Who defines what a “legitimate use” is in the UK? The gov’t? Yikes!
What do you mean by “change minds?” Become subjects once more rather than free citizens? No way!
What “powerful lobby groups” do you speak of and where does their power come from?
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Brendan
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Do they know how incredibly silly that one is. One minute with a nail file on your firing pin ( or just replace your firing pin) and the microstamps are gone.
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Duesenberg
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Agree, but first they’ll will have to figure out how to actually microstamp firing pins in a production process.
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Isca
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I’m not talking about bomb or other terrorist attacks here @Duesenberg, because the topic is just about gun control. No-one can stop someone driving a van into a group of people, stabbing someone or secretly making a bomb, sadly, and you unfortunately know all about massive-scale non-gun terrorism in the USA.
However, we can stop Mr Joe Public going to a shop, legally buying a powerful gun and then taking it home to sort out a domestic dispute, or taking it into a school or a concert venue.
Of course, there will always be illegal weapons around for people who know where to go. But if you can’t buy them in the open without a good reason (farmers’ shotguns, for instance, or target shooting where handling is strictly controlled), then there won’t be so many of them around.
When I talk about changing minds, I mean changing the way people perceive guns and their ownership. I can’t actually ever see it happening in the USA, because of organisations like the NRA and because many people have a different view of individual rights versus collective responsibilities. Anyway, that’s just my opinion, but I personally don’t want to live in a world where my suburban neighbour keeps a gun or two in his home or under his jacket.
However, we can stop Mr Joe Public going to a shop, legally buying a powerful gun and then taking it home to sort out a domestic dispute, or taking it into a school or a concert venue.
Of course, there will always be illegal weapons around for people who know where to go. But if you can’t buy them in the open without a good reason (farmers’ shotguns, for instance, or target shooting where handling is strictly controlled), then there won’t be so many of them around.
When I talk about changing minds, I mean changing the way people perceive guns and their ownership. I can’t actually ever see it happening in the USA, because of organisations like the NRA and because many people have a different view of individual rights versus collective responsibilities. Anyway, that’s just my opinion, but I personally don’t want to live in a world where my suburban neighbour keeps a gun or two in his home or under his jacket.
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SusanneT
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That adds up to less deaths in a year than the average Christmas Day in the US !
And in answer to your question the law determines who ‘needs’ a gun - not the Government.
Aside from very carefully licensed and restricted sporting / hunting guns there just aren’t any in private ownership.
And yes of course a few criminals do get guns (mostly used on each other) but 26 deaths in a whole year in 65 million people speaks for itself !
And in answer to your question the law determines who ‘needs’ a gun - not the Government.
Aside from very carefully licensed and restricted sporting / hunting guns there just aren’t any in private ownership.
And yes of course a few criminals do get guns (mostly used on each other) but 26 deaths in a whole year in 65 million people speaks for itself !
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AuldP
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I live in country where I’m as likely to die in a gun related incident as someone in the U.S. is to perish in a cataclysmic storm. It is uncomprehensible to most of us on this side of the pond that anyone could fail to see that the USA has a major problem with firearms. I have handled a gun once in my life and outside the military and armed police I am probably in a minority as most people will never have handled a firearm of any sort. It is too easy to shrug your shoulders and say ‘we can’t do anything about this’. What will it take for you lot to wake up?
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F_Marturana
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What happens currently if you remove the VIN number from your car?
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F_Marturana
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I read a statistic recently about gun ownership in the US. 78% of the US actually doesn’t own a gun.
All the guns in the US are owned by just 22%
All the guns in the US are owned by just 22%
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Isca
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I’m in your minority in the UK, as in my 20s (I’m nearly 60 now), I used to attend a small sports gun club, where I learned how to shoot various types of guns at targets on a range. I actually owned a semi-automatic pistol, bought second-hand through the club, which was only used there and kept by them under their license - so I never applied for my own registration. You bought ammunition at each visit, which had to be checked out and back in when you left. I’m female, too, so it was even more unusual to do that sort of hobby!
Then we had our Hungerford and Dunblane tragedies. The gun club closed down as far as I know, but I’ve never had a desire to shoot a weapon since then. I was curious, things were different in the early 1980s and it was easy to find somewhere to do target shooting.
Then we had our Hungerford and Dunblane tragedies. The gun club closed down as far as I know, but I’ve never had a desire to shoot a weapon since then. I was curious, things were different in the early 1980s and it was easy to find somewhere to do target shooting.
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AngelusDomini
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Also from the UK here. I agree with Isca. Unless you can prove you need to have a firearm for a legitimate purpose you shouldn’t have one.
Let’s not forget either that those who deal in firearms are running a business; they are looking to make money. It would be incomprehensible for me to live in a place, which is otherwise classed as safe and civilised, where I or a neighbour would routinely keep firearms in the home or take one out on my person. Just my opinion and I know it’s probably not a popular one in the USA.
Let’s not forget either that those who deal in firearms are running a business; they are looking to make money. It would be incomprehensible for me to live in a place, which is otherwise classed as safe and civilised, where I or a neighbour would routinely keep firearms in the home or take one out on my person. Just my opinion and I know it’s probably not a popular one in the USA.
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LilyM
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Cars are lethal. Where I live we make.people wait until they are over 16 years of age and pass written and practical tests demonstrating their ability to drive safely. As well as police checks and eyesight tests.Jamie5:
I don’t know of any “legal kits” that will turn a semi-automatic rifle into a fully automatic machine gun.
I can make firearms bump-fire without a special buttstock. I’m sure there are Youtube videos that show how. Go ahead and ban them – they are a novelty anyway. What I am looking for are concrete examples of gun control that will actually reduce gun-related violent crime.
Come to think of it - why NOT one person one gun? You’ve only got one pair of hands to shoot with after all. Yes, we can make an exception for those who possibly need more - provided they can prove genuine need rather than just want.
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LilyM
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Put it this way - is it education of kids that has made driving safer in recent decades? Or is it tougher laws against speeding and drink and drug driving? Against driving defective vehicles? Laws requiring seatbelts? Random roadside breath testing? Compulsory airbags in newer vehicles?
As the saying goes, no-one ever got rich underestimating the stupidity of the public. I’ll place my faith in tougher legal controls any day.
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steve-b
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At the bottom of the link, there are arrows to move forward or backward to see by month the deaths in Chicago by shootings.
2016 Chicago Murders - Timeline
Chicago Murders 2016, Chicago Homicides 2016, chicago crime, DNAinfo Chicago, DNAinfo, DNAinfo Chicago, Crime Statistics, Chicago Crime Statistics, Chicago 2016 Crime Statistics
Now compare that to 1.5 million abortions / year in the U.S. alone. That’s 4,109 murders/day of innocent children by elective procedure.
Our sense of proportion is more than a bit screwed up
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