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can’t be stopped by a law; they won’t follow.
Just what is "common sense gun control?" How about a few examples?
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please link to the proof of this
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did you look at the chart. they show shootings where no one was killed or injured. you even defined it
Nov 10, 2017 New Hampshire Salem 109 S Broadway 0 0
Nov 10, 2017 Texas Houston S Gessner Rd 1 0
Nov 10, 2017 Georgia Milledgeville 220 N ABC St 0 0
Nov 10, 2017 Indiana Indianapolis 3645 Wingate Ct 0 3
Nov 10, 2017 Arkansas Little Rock 1500 S Park St 0 0
Date State City Or County Address # Killed # Injured
Nov 10, 2017 New Hampshire Salem 109 S Broadway 0 0
Nov 10, 2017 Texas Houston S Gessner Rd 1 0
Nov 10, 2017 Georgia Milledgeville 220 N ABC St 0 0
Nov 10, 2017 Indiana Indianapolis 3645 Wingate Ct 0 3
Nov 10, 2017 Arkansas Little Rock 1500 S Park St 0 0
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Duesenberg
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How has California endeavored to make the AR15 (the current boogieman firearm amongst the gun-banners – it used to be the semi-automatic version of the AK47). Let’s review:
- By making models stamped with certain model numbers illegal to own.
- By making models with sliding buttstocks illegal (even though they are great help in teaching women and kids how to shoot as the rifle can be made smaller on the spot.)
- By making models with pistol grips illegal. (Those pistol grips are real killers you know.!)
- By making models with flash suppressors illegal. (Mass murders worry little about the enemy seeing their rifle’s muzzle flash in the dark.)
- By making models with bayonet lugs illegal (Not too many mass bayonetings lately to my knowledge.)
- By making models with grenade launcher lugs illegal (You’d still need the grenade launcher itself and the grenades of course.)
- By limiting magazine capacity to a maximum of 10 rounds. (Yet reloads are just as fast, and barrel heat is typically the limiting item.)
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pnewton
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He was in imminent threat of attack.
The arrest was closer to what we would call a lynch mob than an arrest with warrant, which is why they were doing this in the middle of the night.
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LeafByNiggle
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Given the current Heller decision by the Supreme Court, there is nothing I can propose that might not be shot down by the court. So I still say it might be time to reconsider that the 2nd amendment has outlived its usefulness.LeafByNiggle:
No, no, no, please don’t tap-dance around my question. All you have offered is that there is talk about repealing the Second Amendment. That’s not going to happen.
What do YOU propose?
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Theo520
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That was an interesting map. Here is additional detail for readers
It’s also interesting to contrast it with gun ownership, which clearly shows there is no positive correlation.
Constantly pretending that gun availability is a key factor is just irresponsible.
LeafByNiggle
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The way you determine correlation is by numerical calculation - not by looking at two maps and estimating.
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Theo520
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The negative correlation is self evident, if you have any experience with creating simple point plots and best fit lines.
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LeafByNiggle
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I do, and glancing at those two graphs is not a replacement for doing a calculation.LeafByNiggle:
The negative correlation is self evident, if you have any experience with creating simple point plots and best fit lines.
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Theo520
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Have at it, I promise $50 to your favorite charity if you can demonstrate a positive correlation at state level between increasing gun ownership and increased homicide rates. I’ve worked with data enough to know when there is a hint of correlation.
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Duesenberg
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That’s not true. California and a small handful of other states have FAR more gun control than most other states. A great deal more gun control could therefore be dumped onto the rest of the US. It would trigger lawsuits, but it would likely be upheld.
So in the end you have nothing more than what amounts to repealing the Second Amendment. You clearly don’t even know what you would do if the 2A was indeed repealed (which it will not be.)
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acadiANNA
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I had a safety issue come up in my life. My first thought was to take a gun safety class which I did and earned a certificate. In the class, offered at a local family gun shop, I learned most importantly when is the time to use a handgun. My father always had hunting rifles in our home. He had 3 because usually one of his hunting buddies didn’t have his own gun. The guns were safely stored unloaded above their bedroom door, out of reach of the children. He always cleaned the gun outside and we were never allowed around him when he did. 95%, 99%, of using a gun is common sense. I can’t believe people are allowed to purchase a gun without taking the class, at least first time buyers. People who want guns and unfortunately people who want to do harm, will always find a loophole and get them. If you know someone with a gun who isn’t a responsible person, say something.
LeafByNiggle
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I have a lot more, but it is all held back by the 2nd amendment.LeafByNiggle:
That’s not true. California and a small handful of other states have FAR more gun control than most other states. A great deal more gun control could therefore be dumped onto the rest of the US. It would trigger lawsuits, but it would likely be upheld.
So in the end you have nothing more than what amounts to repealing the Second Amendment. You clearly don’t even know what you would do if the 2A was indeed repealed (which it will not be.)
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i don’t see it.
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they were sent by the religious authorities it carried weight.
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Duesenberg
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Like what? Name something that would actually reduce gun-related crime in the US that’s actually doable. Presume for a moment that the Second Amendment has been repealed (good luck!) What would you do that’s doable?
A huge gun confiscation where 25% of the (formerly) law-abiding people turn in their guns and 0% of the actual criminals do? What else?
LeafByNiggle
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I would let the states experiment in the laboratory of democracy. With 50 experiments going on at once we can test a lot of ideas. I’m certainly not going to list what they should do, but it could be tried at the state level first. The the 2nd amendment out of the way, the states would be free to trying things that today would be declared unconstitutional. Sorry to back out on my deal, but I don’t think I am the best qualified to make concrete proposals for this problem.LeafByNiggle:
Like what? Name something that would actually reduce gun-related crime in the US that’s actually doable. Presume for a moment that the Second Amendment has been repealed (good luck!) What would you do that’s doable?
A huge gun confiscation where 25% of the (formerly) law-abiding people turn in their guns and 0% of the actual criminals do? What else?
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Duesenberg
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That’s what’s going on now and it’s not only very difficult to control, it’s not making a difference.
Of course you won’t because there’s nothing they can do in terms of gun control that will make things safer.
Like what? CA, MA, WDC, NY, NJ and other states are already doing things that are wildly illegal. Not much they haven’t tried.
I think quite a few people have no clue just how worthless “gun control” is in terms of making things safer.
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Vonsalza
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The term Class 3 comes from when a normal Type 1 (standard dealer) FFL holder pays his Special Occupation Tax.
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