Just wondering about some basic traditions + customs

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Maximian said:
If you go to a Traditional Latin Low Mass (not a high mass) you will find that after the dismissal and the reading of the opening verses of St John’s Gospel, the so called Leonine Prayers follow. These include the prayer to St Michael, Hail Mary, Salve Regina and Invocation of the Sacred Heart.
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I am aware of those prayers after the EF Mass, partly because I possess a number of EF missals. Would it not, though, be correct to say that when those particular prayers are prayed the Mass is already over. Obviously, they are associated with the Mass if they’re prayed afterwards, but they’re not part of the Mass. I’m thinking back to the OP’s questions about whether prayers are used as part of or apart from Mass.
 
Yes that is quite correct.

By the way you can always pray the rosary (quietly!) during Mass. Pope Leo XIII recommended this and Pius XII confirmed this was a legitimate practice.

I find it helps when the liturgy is particularly bad…
 
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Hi Peter, regarding the prayer to St Michael, i know it was an old prayer given by Pope Leo to protect us from the devil. However, I read the prayer & im uncomfortable praying directly to St Michael or anyone not of the trinity. Can you maybe explain a little more about it? Am i missing something? Thanks!
 
Well St. Michael is by tradition the commander of the Heavenly Army and is therefore regarded as being in an especially good position to defend the faithful from the assaults of the devil. The prayer is therefore seen as a good defence against demonic forces. However, it is only a tradition and nothing you are required to do.
 
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What happened to the other thread? That was yours certainly wasn’t it?
 
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You genuflect on the right knee when you’re before the tabernacle and on both knees when Jesus is exposed in the monstrance during adoration.

The main prayers said by the laity during the OF mass are the Our Father, penitential act, the Kyrie, Nicene Creed and the Prayer to St. Michael.

You can sit or kneel during adoration and it’s fine to pray the rosary or other chaplets. Also it’s fine for non-Catholics to make the sign of the cross.
 
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You literally posted this same thing earlier in the week:
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I’m not a baptized Catholic, but I attend mass and adoration. I was in adoration, and I realized that I don’t know some basic things. Which knee do you go down on, before you enter the pew? Could you tell me which prayers are said during mass? I know Hail Mary, Prayer to St. Micheal, Our Father, Glory Be, and I’m working on learning Hail Holy Queen. How should you sit during adoration? It is tiring to kneel for so long Is it disrespectful if a non-Catholic makes the sign of the cross with th…
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It’s against forum etiquette to repeat a thread.
 
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OH I’m so sorry I didn’t mean to! I’m using this on computer for the first time, my bad!!
 
I only intended to inform, not chastise. I hope you find good information here.
 
Torolf said:
You genuflect on the right knee when you’re before the tabernacle and on both knees when Jesus is exposed in the monstrance during adoration.
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Actually, that is no longer taught. Not for forty years or so. The church does not require both knees. If you think about it, it doesn’t make sense making a difference between the Real Presence in the monstrance and the Real Presence in the tabernacle.

There’s nothing to stop anyone of course, knees permittting.
 
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  1. While it is custom to use the Right knee, as I understand it, there is not now, nor has there ever been a rule (ie the "right knee for God, left for man). Further, while according to Tridentine rules you genuflect on both knees, I 1. can’t find any instructions on how to do this, it just seems like kneeling, and 2. the current rules make no mention whatsoever of genuflection on both knees.
  2. As others have said, of the ones you list, only the Our Father is said in Mass, the others may be part of the Leonine prayers that were said after low masses under the Tridentine form, but they have been suppressed (though the cathedral in my diocese still says them after daily Mass.
  3. Sit respectfully, if you cross your legs, it ideally should be at the ankles or calves, but anything that is respectful will do.
  4. It isn’t disrespectful to make the Sign of the Cross with Holy Water
  5. Rosaries are a great use of time in Adoration. To clarify about Adoration (and why we as a culture like it so much more than the Mass), one person (a priest I think) explained it as such: the Mass is the wedding feast (see Rev.), but as a culture we are full of dating people, and rather uncomfortable with marriage (people are hesitant and affraid of wrong decisons, thus all the playing house, etc.), but we are very comfortable with dating. Adoration is like a date with Christ, but the Mass is the wedding feast, and communion the mystical consumation of a mystical marriage. Using this Theology of the Body inspired lens, it is logical to realize that, provided you are reverent, Adoration is likely to be more relaxed than Mass (though sometimes we overburden it with ‘rules’).
@Anna4 the word prayer comes from old English can most appropriately be interpreted as speaking to, as when in a court someone might say “I pray thee, find me not guilty” or some such phrase. As such, praying directly to St. Michael (ie the St. Michael the Archangel prayer), is basically saying "St. Michael, you who are the first of angels, particularly in batteling Satan, please watch over and defend me from the attacks of Satan and his minons.
 
One is NOT required to kneel during the entire time of adoration.
One way to break down the time of adoration is to base it on Jesus;
who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life

the Way - By imitating Jesus in our living we inculcate Christ who is Way.
the Truth - through reading of sacred scripture we can put on the mind Christ who is Truth.
the Life - Through Mass, Eucharist, Confession grace is given to us through Christ is Life.

I’d break down the hour of adoration into 20 minutes each.

First 20 minutes (Truth) inform your mind by reading sacred scripture and meditating on it.

Second 20 minutes (Way) examine your conscience i.e. through meditating on the beatitudes, and the ten commandment and if you’ve professed vows how you’ve lived poverty, chastity, and obedience. Even if you haven’t yet professed the vows you might considering meditating on how well once lives them. Poverty = simplicity of life, Chastity = in accordance with your state (as everyone is called to live chastity but not necessarily celibacy) Obedience = you may not have a superior but you probably have a boss. (Do fulfill all the duties of your state of life, do you fulfill what is required of your job, do you obey all just commands of civil authority?)

3rd 20 minutes (Life) Pray the rosary (five decades) in accordance with the particular day of the week meditating on the particular mysteries: i.e. Annunciation - reflecting on how Mary gave her Fiat (consent) to be the mother of our Lord. You might ask our Lord to help you to give your Fiat (consent) to wherever He is leading you. Visitation - reflecting on how Mary upon hearing that Elizabeth was six month along went with haste to help her. You might ask our Lord to be quick to be of service when you see other’s in need that you could assist with.

I hope these idea’s help!!!
 
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Torolf:
You genuflect on the right knee when you’re before the tabernacle and on both knees when Jesus is exposed in the monstrance during adoration.
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Actually, that is no longer taught. Not for forty years or so. The church does not require both knees. If you think about it, it doesn’t make sense making a difference between the Real Presence in the monstrance and the Real Presence in the tabernacle.

There’s nothing to stop anyone of course, knees permittting.
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Correct. From the Sacred Congregation for Divine Worship’s 1973 document Eucharistiae Sacramentum
II. Regulations For Exposition
  1. Genuflection in the presence of the blessed sacrament, whether reserved in the tabernacle or exposed for public adoration, is on one knee.
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It may be no longer required, but it certainly makes sense to me.
If bring before the Blessed Sacrament us the same rather in a tabernacle or monstrance, which seems to be you argument for it not making sense, than why have Exposition at all?
 
1ke said:
Depends on whether you are left or right handed which way you likely do it. There’s no right or wrong way.
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From New Advent.com (Catholic Encyclopedia - Genuflexion)

The liturgical rules for genuflecting are now very definite.
  1. All genuflect (bending both knees) when adoring the Blessed Sacrament unveiled, as at Expositions.
  2. All genuflect (bending the right knee only) when doing reverence to the Blessed Sacrament, enclosed in the Tabernacle, or lying upon the corporal during the Mass. Mass-servers are not to genuflect, save when the Blessed Sacrament is at the altar where Mass is being said (cf. Wapelhorst, infra ). The same honour is paid to a relic of the True Cross when exposed for public veneration.
  3. The clergy in liturgical functions genuflect on one knee to the cross over the high altar, and likewise in passing before the bishop of the diocese when he presides at a ceremony. From these genuflexions, however, an officiating priest, as also all prelates, canons, etc., are dispensed, bowing of the head and shoulders being substituted for the genuflexion.
  4. On Good Friday, after the ceremony of the Adoration of the Cross, and until Holy Saturday, all, clergy and laity alike, genuflect in passing before the unveiled cross upon the high altar.
 
Haven’t you read Phemie’s post, no. 56? I think you are posting out of date material…
 
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