"Justice for Immigrants" and USCCB

[blackforest]

They give good support to refugees, but they must also adapt to their new country.

You’re kidding, right?

Refugee Crisis: What's Behind Denmark's Harsh New Immigration Law? - The Atlantic

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...uspends-refugee-resettlement-under-un-program

It is the politically correct religion of the Left that is trying to make this all about racism.

Shame on them.

If it’s not about racism, why is the Right volumes more outraged by border crossings from poor, dark people than by affluent white and Asian people overstaying their visas?

This country has given aid and refuge to countless immigrants and refugees. It’s not like all immigrants and refugees have been refused. You only have to look to history and current affairs to see that it does. I also have worked with churches in helping refugees adjust to living here.

Me too. Thank you for pitching in on this worthy effort!

These programs are all but dead now because refugees are being turned away en masse. We continue to provide support for those who came over before Trump’s ban, (successfully arriving in the U.S. is the beginning of the challenges, not some kind of happy ending), but Catholic Charities has had to cut its refugee resettlement staff substantially.

I don’t get why insisting that would be immigrants go through legal channels instead of illegally crossing the border equals refusing to be a Good Samaritan.

The objection is that the so-called legal channels “conveniently” make legal immigration all but impossible for the vast majority of people.

 

[abucs]

Pretty sure Jesus implied very heavily if someone in need help them. Give them cloak and tunic ECT.

Yes but Jesus was not saying to attract millions of people to your country and via the welfare state forcibly take other people’s cloaks and tunics to give to them in a constant cycle until your own country falls apart.

He did not even come close to saying that because if he did it would have been evil and the son of God is not evil.

Mass migration is an evil and it is sponsored by one side of politics as a replacement religion.

Lots to unpack here. First, left and right are relatively useless. No one is firmly one of the other. What opinion you hold on say gun control could be right wing doesn’t apply to your thought on say free health care. (Just as examples)

It is the Left side of politics sponsoring this evil.

If it’s not about racism, why is the Right volumes more outraged by border crossings from poor, dark people than by affluent white and Asian people overstaying their visas?

and why is it that the Left are the ones introducing language terms like ‘poor dark people’. The racism is coming from the Left because one of the delusions of the Left is that they are fighting racism. Everything in their religion is forced into the prism of racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia etc. Their whole religion is based upon seeing the world this way. It is a disease of the Left.

It’s not about the left. I don’t consider myself left or right because that just breeds ‘us vs them’.

The Left side of politics is all about ‘us’ verse ‘them’ that is the inescapable outcome of their ideology whether you realise it or not.

 

[abucs]

The objection is that the so-called legal channels “conveniently” make legal immigration all but impossible for the vast majority of people.

The word ‘convenient’ insinuates there is something underhanded going on here. People do not have a right to migrate wherever they want to and demand social services from the people who live there. They do not have that right and those that support these people breaking the laws of a country in this way are sponsoring theft.

That ‘theft’ is ultimately justified from a socialist mindset that has no idea what makes a successful economic country but has an ideology that is all about theft and which whenever it gets its own way always destroys the host country and leaves everyone worse off.

It is no wonder that people like George Soros who funds much of the Left side of politics is financing the migrant caravans. George Soros makes his money from destabilising countries and betting against them.

 

[abucs]

When George Soros sponsored the beginning of the mass migration to Europe the Left side of politics (also sponsored by Soros) tried to make this a moral issue of taking everyone as a compassionate response instead of seeing that they were being had.

The ‘non Left’ side of politics pointed to the reality of how this was not helping the countries from which these people came and that it was unfair and unsustainable for host countries to take them.

The Left used their usual ‘racist’ moralising rubbish but three years later European countries have quietly adopted the policies of what these people were saying and tightened their borders and started deporting people.

Nobody from the Left apologised for being so stupid 3 years ago or admitted that the people their religion were trying to shame as immoral were actually completely correct and that they lost their collective minds.

 

[Sarcelle]

If it’s a bad law then change it. Still doesn’t excuse illegal behavior.

What makes it bad by the way?

 

[Anrakyr]

The Left side of politics is all about ‘us’ verse ‘them’ that is the inescapable outcome of their ideology whether you realise it or not.

No you are clearly anti left even if you share opinions with it which I find amusing.

 

[abucs]

No you are clearly anti left even if you share opinions with it which I find amusing.

I am anti Left yes because the people that have taken over that side of politics have an evil ideology.

Just like the National Socialists ideology was evil. Yes I agree with Hitler’s National Socialists with regards to providing old age pensions or a postal service but that does not mean their ideology was not evil.

There is nothing funny there. It is simply how reality works.

 

[Anrakyr]

There is nothing funny there. It is simply how reality works.

Saying like it’s true doesn’t make it so. There is nothing evil in the world like you purpose.

 

[abucs]

Saying like it’s true doesn’t make it so. There is nothing evil in the world like you purpose.

You need to be specific. I have no idea in what you are trying to say.

 

[Anrakyr]

No one is evil on either side, just lost, scared, angry sure. Evil is… Extreme and hard to fit to the human race. You can do evil things but to be evil… Hmm. Not so easily done.

 

[blackforest]

People do not have a right to migrate wherever they want to and demand social services from the people who live there.

Of course they don’t. Just remember that you can’t have it both ways. They either need a livable wage to pay off expenses, or they need social services. Nobody can live without either one. Just figure out which you wish to prioritize.

As for migrating, the Church has made it clear that there is both a right to migrate and a right to control borders.

The Left side of politics is all about ‘us’ verse ‘them’ that is the inescapable outcome of their ideology whether you realise it or not.

Go ahead and re-read this divisive statement and wait to see if you catch the irony . . .

If it’s a bad law then change it.

That’s exactly what the USCCB and faithful Catholics are trying to do. That is why we have the Justice for Immigrants program, the whole topic of this thread.

 

[abucs]

No one is evil on either side, just lost, scared, angry sure. Evil is… Extreme and hard to fit to the human race. You can do evil things but to be evil… Hmm. Not so easily done.

Ideologies can be evil. Evil is the absence of God and God is an objective truth. Ideologies based on the removal of God and objective truth are by definition evil.

When you look at everything from the Godless French Revolution (the birth of the Left) through to Soviet and National Socialism and Pol Pot etc etc the outcomes of this evil ideologies are obvious. As Jesus said.

From their fruits you will know them

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The fruits of this Godless Left from the French Revolution onwards has been evil.

There are aspects of political parties today who have been infiltrated by this same Leftist evil ideology.

 

[Anrakyr]

Ideologies can be evil. Evil is the absence of God and God is an objective truth. Ideologies based on the removal of God and objective truth are by definition evil.

I know this is a catholic forum and all but that only applies in a world where God is real.

Even so because something on premise maybe wrong does mean everything that comes out of it is. Even God in your religion draws good from evil right?

When you look at everything from the Godless French Revolution (the birth of the Left) through to Soviet and National Socialism and Pol Pot etc etc the outcomes of this evil ideologies are obvious.

I see lots of good from them too so the ‘left’ isn’t any eviler than the ‘right’ which I’ve seen just as many evils come from.

They are just ideologies. What we should do is base out beliefs on compassion, justice, and logic. Who cares where an idea comes from if people are happy and healthy?

The fruits of this Godless Left from the French Revolution onwards has been evil.

There are aspects of political parties today who have been infiltrated by this same Leftist evil ideology.

for the last time, the Left isn’t any eviler then the right is Good. They are ideas and the extremes of any ideas are bad.

 

[abucs]

Go ahead and re-read this divisive statement and wait to see if you catch the irony . . .

The Leftist ideology is divisive.

Playing semantics is obstructing the discussion of this important point.

Nothing in the comment is self contradictory or incoherent.

Irony is often a subjective description depending on your own frame of mind.

I don’t think there is a sensible point on calling the comment ironic. It is a forced description to call it ‘ironic’ and as a I said it is to obstruct talking about the sensible issue of Leftist divisiveness.

 

[abucs]

I know this is a catholic forum and all but that only applies in a world where God is real.

Even so because something on premise maybe wrong does mean everything that comes out of it is. Even God in your religion draws good from evil right?

Yes the concept of evil is predicated on the existence of God. I believe in God and the historic ideology of the Left does not. I am calling it evil. Absolutely.

I see lots of good from them too so the ‘left’ isn’t any eviler than the ‘right’ which I’ve seen just as many evils come from.

They are just ideologies. What we should do is base out beliefs on compassion, justice, and logic. Who cares where an idea comes from if people are happy and healthy?

If this is your position then you contradict yourself. Because you see good from people on the Left does not preclude that the Leftist ideology is not evil. That is not logical.

It is also not logical to equate the obvious historic evils of the Left with those of the ‘non Left’.

If logic is the way we need to proceed, and I agree that it is, then you then your statements are in conflict with this value.

 

[Anrakyr]

Yes the concept of evil is predicated on the existence of God. I believe in God and the historic ideology of the Left does not. I am calling it evil. Absolutely.

But it isn’t. Its part of a scale or gradient.

 

[abucs]

for the last time, the Left isn’t any eviler then the right is Good. They are ideas and the extremes of any ideas are bad.

No. That is part of an equality mindset which is one of the outcomes of following the politically correct religion. Seeing things as equal is what is taught to be fair. It is not. To go to the extremes if someone has an ideology that everyone should be killed and someone else has the idea of treating people with respect you cannot equate these ideologies as equal in evil. They clearly are not.

I have not spoke about the right because the Leftist ideology is clear and historic. What we call today the ‘right’ is simply an amalgam of people who oppose 'the Left. Again you cannot equate these two groups. They are different in their kind.

 

[abucs]

But it isn’t. Its part of a scale or gradient.

No evil is an absolute. How it is implemented and performed is on a scale or gradient.

 

[Anrakyr]

I have not spoke about the right because the Leftist ideology is clear and historic

So is the rights warmongering, rigid capitalism, failed democracy and poverty gap but hey they must be perfect cause that’s where the catholic church sits, also who has never historically ever done anything wrong?

sighs

Sarcasm aside I can see you will never believe ever that anything from the left can be good and anything I introduce from the left to patch the extremes of the right will just be greeted with skepticism at lest.

Think that’s thread right there unmovable force is hit by and unstoppable force.
Have a good night.

 

[abucs]

So is the rights warmongering, rigid capitalism, failed democracy and poverty gap but hey they must be perfect cause that’s where the catholic church sits, also who has never historically ever done anything wrong?

sighs

Look this is often part of the delusion of not recognising an objective truth. You write things in your own mind as if I said it and then “sigh”. This is not logical not sane.

Now sanity is a strong word to use but not recognising an objective truth does lead to insanity. This is a big part of why the Leftist ideology leaves millions of corpses.

People who go to war are from all political perspectives. I don’t think you are making a point here???

Rigid capitalism and failed democracy are ill defined. You need to be detailed in what you actually want to say. I can draw a line between the evil ideology of the Left and the outcomes of millions of corpses. To do that with say ‘failed democracy’ has to be shown and explained by you.

Saying that all these must be perfect and the church has never done anything historically wrong is a really high bar and they are your words and they are not engaging with the objective reality of what are my words. Instead you then sigh at your own words as if they were mine.

I also sigh at your words and logic.