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Let’s discuss the biblical doctrine of justification and see if we can understand the Catholic and Protestant view of this essential doctrine.

Justification is an instantaneous legal act of God in which he (1) thinks of our sins as forgiven and Christ’s righteousness as belonging to us, and (2) declares us to be righteous in his sight. - Wayne Grudem Systematic Theology (pg. 723)

Scripture, when it treats of justification by faith, leads us in a very different direction. Turning away our view from our own works, it bids us look only to the mercy of God and the perfection of Christ. The order of justification which it sets before us is this: first, God of his mere gratuitous goodness is pleased to embrace the sinner, in whom he sees nothing that can move him to mercy but wretchedness, because he sees him altogether naked and destitute of good works. He, therefore, seeks the cause of kindness in himself, that thus he may affect the sinner by a sense of his goodness, and induce him, in distrust of his own works, to cast himself entirely upon his mercy for salvation. This is the meaning of faith by which the sinner comes into the possession of salvation, when, according to the doctrine of the Gospel, he perceives that he is reconciled by God; when, by the intercession of Christ, he obtains the pardon of his sins, and is justified; and, though renewed by the Spirit of God, considers that, instead of leaning on his own works, he must look solely to the righteousness which is treasured up for him in Christ.
**John Calvin Institutes of the Christian Religion (3.11.16) **

The phrase “in him” I have preferred to retain, rather than render it “by him” because it has in my opinion more expressiveness and force. For we are enriched in Christ, inasmuch as we are members of his body, and are engrafted into him: nay more, being made one with him, he makes us share with him in everything that he has received from the Father.
John Calvin Commentary on 1 Corinthians 1:5

Those whom, God effectually calls he also freely justifies, not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone; not by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them as their righteousness, but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them, they receiving and resting on him and his righteousness by faith, which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God - **Westminster Confession of Faith (11.1) **

Justification is a judicial act of God, in which He declares, on the basis of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that all the claims of the law are satisfied with respect to the sinner. - . **Berkhof Systematic Theology (pg. 513) **

monergism.com/directory/link_category/Justification/
 
And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him. - Paul
 
Originally Posted by 2nd Adam
I have read the Catechism on the doctrine of justification. I have a good understanding on our differences of the doctrine of justification. However, I don’t think you actually understand our differences between our two views of justification. Do you mind sharing it with me? For clarification sake, I believe in a forensic justification.
Would Protestants agree with this statement on good works: “Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods, suitable for us, can be merited in accordance with the plan of God. No one, however, can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion and justification.” (Compedium to the Catechism)

“…through the observance of the commandments of God and of the Church, faith co-operating with good works, increase in that justice which they have received through the grace of Christ, and are still further justified (Council of Trent, Sixth Session, Chapter 10)".

Then there are the various types of grace the Church speaks of, not to mention our own free will to respond, or not respond, to God’s grace and the grace recieved from the sacraments. Then issues over sanctification and so on.

The council of Trent condemned forensic justification. This article is a good explenation of differences and talks about sanctification too, save me parroting. catholic.com/library/Grace_What_It_Is.asp

Justification is a process that begins at baptism and at any time we can lose such justifcation, in the end we will be judged according to our works.

One apologist noted “justification of the believer is not a forensic declaration of a person’s righteousness, but an actual interior purification of the soul.”
 
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2nd_Adam:
Canto nailed it.

Do you find anything to dispute in his explanation?
 
Originally Posted by Canto
Would Protestants agree with this statement on good works: “Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods, suitable for us, can be merited in accordance with the plan of God. No one, however, can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion and justification.” (Compedium to the Catechism)
I would not agree with the bolded part, unless the Compendium means that it is the Holy Spirit that makes it possible to merit graces, and not our own actions or abilities. If you are willing to say that any merit we have is truly the merits of Christ, and that to any extent that we “earn” them, it is only because of Grace and the efforts of the Holy Spirit in us, then I would agree.

Jon
 
Canto nailed it.

Do you find anything to dispute in his explanation?
I wanted to make this more of an educational thread in which we all understand the official Catholic view of justification and the historic Protestant view of justification. We already have a great document to build from. 😉

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

If you think our two views should seperate us, then consider the

JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION


by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church

Preamble

1.The doctrine of justification was of central importance for the Lutheran Reformation of the sixteenth century. It was held to be the “first and chief article”[1] and at the same time the “ruler and judge over all other Christian doctrines.”[2] The doctrine of justification was particularly asserted and defended in its Reformation shape and special valuation over against the Roman Catholic Church and theology of that time, which in turn asserted and defended a doctrine of justification of a different character. From the Reformation perspective, justification was the crux of all the disputes. Doctrinal condemnations were put forward both in the Lutheran Confessions[3] and by the Roman Catholic Church’s Council of Trent. These condemnations are still valid today and thus have a church-dividing effect.

2.For the Lutheran tradition, the doctrine of justification has retained its special status. Consequently it has also from the beginning occupied an important place in the official Lutheran-Roman Catholic dialogue. (read the entire link please)
 
Let’s discuss the biblical doctrine of justification and see if we can understand the Catholic and Protestant view of this essential doctrine.
This might get off to a bad start, since there is no such thing as “biblical doctrine of justification”. What I think you mean when you use that term is the “traditions of the Reformers about justification from how they interpret the bible in separation from Sacred Tradition”.

For Catholics, the term “biblical doctrine” is misleading. All of our doctrine comes from Jesus Himself, and is reflected in the Scriptures. The Source of the doctrine is God. We do not extrapolate it from the Bible, especially in separation from what He has committed to the Church through the Apostles.
Scripture, when it treats of justification by faith, leads us in a very different direction.
Different from what?
… though renewed by the Spirit of God, considers that, instead of leaning on his own works, he must look solely to the righteousness which is treasured up for him in Christ.
**John Calvin Institutes of the Christian Religion (3.11.16) **
This seems to represent a misunderstanding of the Catholic faith.
Those whom, God effectually calls he also freely justifies, not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous; not for anything wrought in them or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone;
Wonder why he thinks both are not true?
Justification is a judicial act of God, in which He declares, on the basis of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that all the claims of the law are satisfied with respect to the sinner. - . **Berkhof Systematic Theology (pg. 513) **

monergism.com/directory/link_category/Justification/
This part seems to be consistent with the Catholic faith. The Apostles taught, however, that the declaration was only part of the justification, which is an actual infusion. He “pours” His spirit into us.
 
Originally Posted by 2nd Adam
Justification is a judicial act of God, in which He declares, on the basis of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that all the claims of the law are satisfied with respect to the sinner. - . Berkhof Systematic Theology (pg. 513)
This part seems to be consistent with the Catholic faith. The Apostles taught, however, that the declaration was only part of the justification, which is an actual infusion. He “pours” His spirit into us.
I believe in infused grace within sanctification. I also agree that God pours His Spirit into us, since the Spirit lives in us. However, our justification before God is based on the righteousness of Christ alone. We have peace with God based on an alien righteousness found outside ourselves.
Originally Posted by Canto
Would Protestants agree with this statement on good works: “Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods, suitable for us, can be merited in accordance with the plan of God. No one, however, can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion and justification.” (Compedium to the Catechism)
It’s interesting that the above statement is about sanctification and not justification. It seems very consistent with my two Catholic links on the subject of justification by faith.
 
I would not agree with the bolded part, unless the Compendium means that it is the Holy Spirit that makes it possible to merit graces, and not our own actions or abilities.
This would be correct. When we are “moved by the HS” it is God at work in us, and not our own works of the flesh. When we are moved by the HS, we can receive from Him 'grace upon grace" (to those who have, more will be given).

Our own actions and abilities are involved to the extent that, when we love Him with our whole heart, mind, and strength we are open to His working in us for HIs glory.
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If you are willing to say that any merit we have is truly the merits of Christ, and that to any extent that we "earn" them, it is only because of Grace and the efforts of the Holy Spirit in us, then I would agree.
Jon
This is a good way of phrasing it. We also, by His Spirit, are mady worthy (merit) to receive what He has given.
 
I was hoping you would respond, guanophore.
=guanophore;5886483]This would be correct. When we are “moved by the HS” it is God at work in us, and not our own works of the flesh. When we are moved by the HS, we can receive from Him 'grace upon grace" (to those who have, more will be given).
And since Grace is by definition a gift, it cannot be earned or merited by our own choice or actions. “Receive” is such a Lutheran word. Seems to be more Catholic than I thought, as well.
Our own actions and abilities are involved to the extent that, when we love Him with our whole heart, mind, and strength we are open to His working in us for HIs glory.
I think Lutherans would call this the “new obedience”.
This is a good way of phrasing it. We also, by His Spirit, are mady worthy (merit) to receive what He has given.
I have heard Catholics here contradict this. Could that be an over-reaction to sola fide, as I think, in some ways, the term sola fide was a reaction to semi-pelagian thought in Luther’s time?

Jon
 
Let’s discuss the biblical doctrine of justification and see if we can understand the Catholic and Protestant view of this essential doctrine.[/End quote]

Justification is an instantaneous legal act of God in which he (1) thinks of our sins as forgiven and Christ’s righteousness as belonging to us, and (2) declares us to be righteous in his sight. - Wayne Grudem Systematic Theology (pg. 723)

Justification is a judicial act of God, in which He declares, on the basis of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, that all the claims of the law are satisfied with respect to the sinner. - . **Berkhof Systematic Theology (pg. 513) **

monergism.com/directory/link_category/Justification/

So the reformers saw justification as a mere legal act by which God decares the sinner to be meriting heaven even though he remains in fact unjust and sinful. that is not a real eradication of sin,but a covering over or non-imputation. It is not an inner renewal and real sanctification, only an outer applying of Christ’s Justice.

I posted in your other thread what Catholics understand justification to be. We understand it differently than Protestants.

Jesus redeemed all men by his suffering on the cross for our sins. If we believe this
and accept it then, when we are Baptized we become justified in the name of the
Trinity, The Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. That is when justification is
conferred, in Baptism. It is not just an outward sign, a covering over of the
ugliness of sin.It is a true eradication of sin,it wipes out,blots out,takes
away,removes and cleanses,it is the forgiveness of sins and a true sanctification
and renewal of the inner man, the person.
Baptism is an indelible mark which remains in the soul forever. We are Baptized into
Christ.We are given the gift of sanctifying grace which helps us to grow throughout
owr life in holiness so as to be pleasing to the Father.
He created us for himself to love him and to serve him on this earth so that we can
be happy forever with him in heaven.Carlan
 
This would be correct. When we are “moved by the HS” it is God at work in us, and not our own works of the flesh. When we are moved by the HS, we can receive from Him 'grace upon grace" (to those who have, more will be given).

Our own actions and abilities are involved to the extent that, when we love Him with our whole heart, mind, and strength we are open to His working in us for HIs glory.
guanophore, I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with your posts but on this point I might-even if it may be a fine one. I believe that fulfilling the greatest commandment, to love God with our whole heart, soul mind, and strength,* is* the perfection of man and the holiness God seeks to mold in us or the work He desires to bring to completion, rather than a predisposition necessary for that work to be done.
 
I would not agree with the bolded part, unless the Compendium means that it is the Holy Spirit that makes it possible to merit graces, and not our own actions or abilities. If you are willing to say that any merit we have is truly the merits of Christ, and that to any extent that we “earn” them, it is only because of Grace and the efforts of the Holy Spirit in us, then I would agree.

Jon
No on in the Catholic Church teaches that any person can merit grace with out God. Grace comes from God and God alone, it is his free gift to us, and it is the only thing that can “save” us. Not faith, not works, or even the combination of them.

Where faith and works come in to play, is in our “accepting or rejecting” of God’s free gift of his grace. When Christ died on the cross for us, it was to make God’s saving Grace available to all of humanity. When he died on the cross, it did become available to all of humanity. The difference between the saved and unsaved is our responce to Gods free gift of grace.

This is what is being gotten at here I think.
 
No on in the Catholic Church teaches that any person can merit grace with out God. Grace comes from God and God alone, it is his free gift to us, and it is the only thing that can “save” us. Not faith, not works, or even the combination of them.

Where faith and works come in to play, is in our “accepting or rejecting” of God’s free gift of his grace. When Christ died on the cross for us, it was to make God’s saving Grace available to all of humanity. When he died on the cross, it did become available to all of humanity. The difference between the saved and unsaved is our responce to Gods free gift of grace.

This is what is being gotten at here I think.
👍 Yes, and God seeks to draw us into willful obedience, born out and made real by our actions. Our becoming beings who willfully love Him and neighbor is how He causes us to be worthy of Him-and no longer invisible to us ultimately. And this is totally an effect of grace.
 
No on in the Catholic Church teaches that any person can merit grace with out God. Grace comes from God and God alone, it is his free gift to us, and it is the only thing that can “save” us. Not faith, not works, or even the combination of them.

Where faith and works come in to play, is in our “accepting or rejecting” of God’s free gift of his grace. When Christ died on the cross for us, it was to make God’s saving Grace available to all of humanity. When he died on the cross, it did become available to all of humanity. The difference between the saved and unsaved is our responce to Gods free gift of grace.

This is what is being gotten at here I think.
I couldn’t particularly disagree with this, except to say in Lutheran terminology we would say that your second paragraph is speaking about sanctification, as we tend to speak of justification and sanctification in different ways, always knowing they are linked.
Lutherans would agree that we have free will, and can choose to reject grace.

Jon
 
I was hoping you would respond, guanophore.

And since Grace is by definition a gift, it cannot be earned or merited by our own choice or actions. “Receive” is such a Lutheran word. Seems to be more Catholic than I thought, as well.
Yes. I have heard Luther criticized by evangelicals for remaining “too Catholic” in His theology and practices. They don’t blame him, of course, but that he was “steeped” in it, and though he tried to jettison it, could not entirely. Hence, the need for further “reform”.
I think Lutherans would call this the “new obedience”.
Is that the same as “obedience of faith”?
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I have heard Catholics here contradict this.  Could that be an over-reaction to sola fide, as I think, in some ways, the term sola fide was a reaction to semi-pelagian thought in Luther's time?
Jon
I do think it is an over reaction. Indeed, the semi-Pelagian thought and practices were a major factor in the reformation. I think this had been going on for centuries. When one reads the call for participants in the Crusades, and what sounds like papal promises of heaven for oneself, and one’s loved ones for going to battle, it seems that the faithful were misled long before Luther came on the scene, or Tetzel decided to let greed reign over faith.
 
guanophore, I don’t think I’ve ever disagreed with your posts but on this point I might-even if it may be a fine one. I believe that fulfilling the greatest commandment, to love God with our whole heart, soul mind, and strength,* is* the perfection of man and the holiness God seeks to mold in us or the work He desires to bring to completion, rather than a predisposition necessary for that work to be done.
I don’t think we are in disagreement, then. I was responding to the quote from the document that states “moved by His grace”. That grace both transforms us, and moves us to transform the world in which we live. It is the state of grace in which He places for us that makes us able to “merit”. Please help me understand if I am not.
 
It’s interesting that the above statement is about sanctification and not justification. It seems very consistent with my two Catholic links on the subject of justification by faith.
Justification and Sanctification are not seperate in Catholicism
 
Justification and Sanctification are not seperate in Catholicism
They are two different words in Scripture. However Christ is still are justification and sanctification.

And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, - 1 Cor 1:30
 
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