Justified by Faith Alone cf. James 2:24

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Hebrews 10

For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,*but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries…*How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?*For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”

Obviously about someone who has heard the Gospel and rejected it.

“spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace” What Christian would ever do this?

Every Christian who does not believe in eternal security, I have asked this one question: “Can you ever see a circumstance where you would denounce Jesus?” What answer do I get? A resounding “NO!!!” Why, because they wouldn’t and couldn’t.

Those who have been confronted with Gospel and outright reject Jesus stands with God’s enemies and have much more to fear than those who never heard the Gospel (Matthew 10:15).

 

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Obviously about someone who has heard the Gospel and rejected it.

“spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace” What Christian would ever do this?

Every Christian who does not believe in eternal security, I have asked this one question: “Can you ever see a circumstance where you would denounce Jesus?” What answer do I get? A resounding “NO!!!” Why, because they wouldn’t and couldn’t.

If you had asked your former self this, (the self who went to church and obeyed his parents but wasn’t actually saved), your answer would have been the same: a resounding “NO!”, so the question itself is useless, right?

 

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Obviously about someone who has heard the Gospel and rejected it.

“spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace” What Christian would ever do this?

Every Christian who does not believe in eternal security, I have asked this one question: “Can you ever see a circumstance where you would denounce Jesus?” What answer do I get? A resounding “NO!!!” Why, because they wouldn’t and couldn’t.

Those who have been confronted with Gospel and outright reject Jesus stands with God’s enemies and have much more to fear than those who never heard the Gospel (Matthew 10:15).

Can someone be Sanctified, but not Justified?

 

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Matthew 13
As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away

Revelation 2
“‘I know your works, your toil and your patient endurance, and how you cannot bear evil men but have tested those who call themselves apostles but are not, and found them to be false;3I know you are enduring patiently and bearing up for my name’s sake, and you have not grown weary.4But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.5Remember then from what you have fallen, repent and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent.*

 

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Emm…I said that I am NOT fully in the clear.

This is very Catholic!

Jesus covers you, but you have to keep fighting the fight.

As do I.

However, it’s way about our paygrade to discern whose faith is an “authentic” faith.

I am curious where you get the idea that this experience (lovely as it was) is an indicator of being saved?

Do you have a Bible verse that says this is how you know you were saved?

This is interesting. So you though you were saved, but actually weren’t.

Now you think you’re saved…

They Holy Spirit did not reveal the truth to me until that evening. This was my born-again experience where I went from thinking I was a Christian, to knowing. I was regenerated at that moment. The Holy Spirit that evening changed me forever. It was more than a lovely experience. It was supernatural. The Holy Spirit creating a new child of God. That’s night night He entered me and resides forever.

I went thinking I was a good person to knowing I am a sinner and that only Jesus covers me in His death and resurrection. I pledged myself to Him as my Savior and to follow Him from that point on. Passages about this experience - 1 Corinthians 12:13, Romans 8:9, Ephesians 1:13-14

And if discerning authentic faith is above your pay-grade, that is only because the Holy Spirit has other functions for you in the body of Christ. But you cannot say all. Hebrews 5:13-14 God is clear, the more mature we become in faith, the more adept we are at discerning good from evil. And a false faith is the devil’s greatest deception.

I am sad to know that don’t know for sure your are in the clear. If you are a Christian which I’m sure you are, you are in the clear. But I agree with you, we still need to keep up with the Kingdom works.

 

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If you had asked your former self this, (the self who went to church and obeyed his parents but wasn’t actually saved), your answer would have been the same: a resounding “NO!”, so the question itself is useless, right?

If I am honest with myself, under severe persecution, I would not have the same loyalty to Jesus as I do after that night.

 

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Passages about this experience - 1 Corinthians 12:13, Romans 8:9, Ephesians 1:13-14

I asked for verses which state that experience this is how you know you are saved–when you have that type of lovely emotional response.

The verse above do not say anything of the sort.

 

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2 Peter 1

For this very reason make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these things are yours and abound, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For whoever lacks these things is blind and shortsighted and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Notice Peter places great importance on “supplementing” your faith with virtues.

 

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If I am honest with myself, under severe persecution, I would not have the same loyalty to Jesus as I do after that night.

What?

If someone had asked the former you: " “Can you ever see a circumstance where you would denounce Jesus?”

you would have said, “Yes, I can see a circumstance where I would renounce Jesus”?

 

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Can someone be Sanctified, but not Justified?

No, what do you believe?

 

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What?

If someone had asked the former you: " “Can you ever see a circumstance where you would denounce Jesus?”

you would have said, “Yes, I can see a circumstance where I would renounce Jesus”?

I think he is saying that he had an insufficient faith. Maybe a vain belief, such as Paul criticizes.

1 Cor. 15
Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,*by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.
Still, Paul recognizes salvation, but a condition of “holding fast”

 

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What?

If someone had asked the former you: " “Can you ever see a circumstance where you would denounce Jesus?”

you would have said, “Yes, I can see a circumstance where I would renounce Jesus”?

Like I said, if I am honest and truthful with myself…

 

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No, what do you believe?

I agree.
Hebrews 10
How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

 

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I think he is saying that he had an insufficient faith. Maybe a vain belief, such as Paul criticizes.

1 Cor. 15
Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,*by which you are saved, if you hold it fast—unless you believed in vain.
Still, Paul recognizes salvation, but a condition of “holding fast”

What are we to hold fast to? Our faith in the Gospel (vs.1). Again, its our faith that saves us. Without it, you won’t be saved.

Only an authentic Christian born of the Spirit is going to hold fast to his/her faith with the prospect of being fed to the lions, crucifixion, torture, etc…

 

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What are we to hold fast to? Our faith in the Gospel (vs.1). Again, its our faith that saves us. Without it, you won’t be saved.

Only an authentic Christian born of the Spirit is going to hold fast to his/her faith with the prospect of being fed to the lions, crucifixion, torture, etc…

Yes, works without faith cannot save, and faith without works is vain.

 

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I am sad to know that don’t know for sure your are in the clear. If you are a Christian which I’m sure you are, you are in the clear.

Emm…you do know, drblank, that I was simply quoting Scripture. St. Paul, right?

“I do not even pass judgment on myself; I am not conscious of anything against me, but I do not thereby stand acquitted;”–1 Cor 4:3-4

I do not even judge myself, by the way. It is the Lord who judges, although I am not aware of anything against me, I’m not fully in the clear.

 

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Like I said, if I am honest and truthful with myself…

And if you are honest and truthful with yourself now, you say you wouldn’t renounce Christ, with 100% certainty?

You know in your heart this to be so?

 

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And if you are honest and truthful with yourself now, you say you wouldn’t renounce Christ, with 100% certainty?

You know in your heart this to be so?

Any mortal sin is renouncing Christ. Thankfully, we have the grace of reconciliation if we do fall from grace.

 

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James 5
My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

 

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Exodus 32:33
And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

This was said of Israel according to the flesh after all of them had been sealed in the blood of the covenant. How is this not even more so for Israel according to the Spirit, those who have been sealed in the Spirit?