JW is a false religion?

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The other night I was listening to a Protestant radio station (they really need to get a Catholic station as far as I’m concerned!) and they were warning other Christians that the JW religion is a false religion!!! And to STAY AWAY from them and don’t listen to the, etc.

Is this true or is that this dude’s opinion?
 
It’s rare that Protestants will gang up on one of their own kind. But yes, JW is a false religion and they don’t even believe in the divinity of Jesus.
 
Gilbert Keith:
It’s rare that Protestants will gang up on one of their own kind. But yes, JW is a false religion and they don’t even believe in the divinity of Jesus.
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Um–y’dont know much about Evangelical Protestants at all. I have listened to Calvinists beat up on Arminians, non-denoms beat up on Calvinists, Pentecostals beat up on Lutherans, Lutherans beat up on pretty much everyone, etcetera.

Almost no one thinks that Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Christian Scientists, etcetera are ‘Protestants’ and definitely they are not Evangelicals. The popular pejorative used among Evangelicals for these sorts of groups is ‘cult’, which essentially is a synonym for ‘heresy’ as it is currently used. All of these groups explicitly deny core doctrines of the Christian faith which Evangelicals accept with Roman Catholicism. They deny the Trinity, the Deity of Christ, add to the Bible with their own infallible or quasi-infallible writings, teach some variant on Pelagianism, and have various other problems depending upon which group we are referring to.

The Jehovah’s Witnesses in particular deny the Trinity explicitly, teach that Jesus is the first of all created beings, teach that only 144,000 people actually will go to heaven–all of whom were born prior to 1914. Anyone not part of the 144,000 will be resurrected to live forever and serve God on a new Paradise Earth.They teach that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914, and that the end of the world is just around the corner. Their membership is required to spend it’s time ‘publishing’ the ministry, meaning to canvass neighborhoods for other interested souls, attempting to win converts. The JW’s teach that ALL other denominations are utterly corrupt and that only those affilliated with the JW’s will be resurrected to Paradise Earth.

I am NOT entirely ‘up’ on JW doctrine–I likely have missed some points and may even be in error in some points but I think I’ve hit the high points. We’ll let one of the former JW’s who now have a Catholic ministry to Witnesses fill in the blanks.
 
They’re not a christian denomination. No christian denomination would forbid the celebration of Christmas.

Go to the thread called “Roundtable with former JW” and scroll down to the link for the audio clip. Listen to it and you’ll find out the beliefs of the JWs.
 
Um–y’dont know much about Evangelical Protestants at all.

Um - I say I do. I married one.

Yes, they are bitter toward each other … but the operative phrase is “gang up.” They rarely gang up except against Catholics and what they perceive to be other “cults.”
 
Paris Blues:
The other night I was listening to a Protestant radio station (they really need to get a Catholic station as far as I’m concerned!) and they were warning other Christians that the JW religion is a false religion!!! And to STAY AWAY from them and don’t listen to the, etc.

Is this true or is that this dude’s opinion?
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There are JW’s the visit the forum and they of course don’t view themselves as false, but rather the opposite: The One and Only True Religion ®.
 
I cannot give source information for the all statements I am about to include here but I do know that I have learned them from sources I consider reliable.
JW is a Satanic Religion.
So strongly Satanic is this religion that we are warned not to accept or have in our homes or possession any of their tracts or their magazine The War Cry. I do not understand how these things work but understand that there are demonic spirits associated with these items that through our passive assent in accepting them into our possession, they can wreck havoc in our lives. Not knowing exactly how such things work I would rather believe this warning and trust that I am avoiding a demonic attack rather than test this statement and perhaps rue the results. I do know that Jesus, My Saviour, is not identified as being the foundation on which they have built their church.
On Religions.
A Quote from I AM YOUR JESUS OF MERCY Vol 1. page 16 under heading RELIGIONS given November 9, 1988. < Start Quote>
I would now like to talk to you about religions.
People worship in My churches and claim their form of worship is the most true.
Woe to those who disclaim a form of prayer to My Father.
When the Jews pray to My Father, they pray to me for I am one with the Father. The Jews are very much My People. If you were a Protestant, would you love Me less? It should be known to all My children that I do not love them less because of the semantics of the dicotomy of religion.
I Am your Lord, God and I hear all forms of prayer. It is not your form of worship but your hearts that I want. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, you are, because of Me, Who Am!
My people who analytically debate theological trivia, should be made to know this fact of truth:
I, your Lord, God, love all who come to Me to be loved.
I love in all forms of worship and prayer. It is true that I, through My Body in Eucharest, Am in the purest form of consecration to you. But that is a choice my children have.
Many people will say that because of your religion, you think you are closer to Me. It is not because of your religion, My child, it is because of your open, loving heart.
How do you serve God? By serving His People. Serve by loving one another. Have mercy on one another, so that I can have mercy on you. Be My treasure in Heaven by being My treasure on Earth. Love will restore My beauty given to this world. How many different ways can I express this message to you? My People want, want, want…but they need to give to receive!
My child, know that I love My children of all religions, but it is through My Blood of the wine and My Body of the bread, that I live one with you.
In an other source, that I cannot identify now, Jesus is alledged to have said, (and I pray I quote accurately from memory), “My Church is the only Church born out of Love. All other churches have been born out of hate. They agree to disagree, and so My body has been divided 132,000 times, of which only a few are truly Satanic religions.”
 
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John-the-Seeker:
I cannot give source information for the all statements I am about to include here but I do know that I have learned them from sources I consider reliable.
JW is a Satanic Religion.
So strongly Satanic is this religion that we are warned not to accept or have in our homes or possesion any of their tracts or their magazine The War Cry. I do not understand how these things work but understand that there are demonic spirits associated with these items that through our passive assent in accepting them into our possesion, they can wreck havoc in our lives. Not knowing exactly how such things work I would rather believe this warning and trust that I am avoiding a demonic attack rather than test this statement and perhaps rue the results. I do know that Jesus, My Saviour, is not identified as being the foundation on which they have built their church.
On Religions.
A Quote from I AM YOUR JESUS OF MERCY Vol 1. page 16 under heading RELIGIONS given November 9, 1988. < Start Quote>
I would now like to talk to you about religions.
People worship in My churches and claim their form of worship is the most true.
Woe to those who disclaim a form of prayer to My Father.
When the Jews pray to My Father, they pray to me for I am one with the Father. The Jews are very much My People. If you were a Protestant, would you love Me less? It should be known to all My children that I do not love them less because of the semantics of the dicotomy of religion.
I Am your Lord, God and I hear all forms of prayer. It is not your form of worship but your hearts that I want. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, you are, because of Me, Who Am!
My people who analytically debate theological trivia, should be made to know this fact of truth:
I, your Lord, God, love all who come to Me to be loved.
I love in all forms of worship and prayer. It is true that I, through My Body in Eucharest, Am in the purest form of consecration to you. But that is a choice my children have.
Many people will say that because of your religion, you think you are closer to Me. It is not because of your religion, My child, it is because of your open, loving heart.
How do you serve God? By serving His People. Serve by loving one another. Have mercy on one another, so that I can have mercy on you. Be My treasure in Heaven by being My treasure on Earth. Love will restore My beauty given to this world. How many different ways can I express this message to you? My People want, want, want…but they need to give to receive!
My child, know that I love My children of all religions, but it is through My Blodd of the wine and My Body of the bread, that I live one with you.
In an other source, that I cannot identify now, Jesus is alledged to have said, (and I pray I quote accurately from memory), “My Church is the only Church born out of Love. All other churches have been born out of hate. They agree to disagree, and so My body has been divided 132,000 times, of which only a few are truly Satanic religions.”
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I don’t know if I should laugh or offer you a tin foil hat.
 
I don’t know if I should laugh or offer you a tin foil hat.
-B.

Hi Just -B,
I love you too and pray that Our perfect God of Love and Mercy guide both of us in making proper choices. May His Peace be with you.
 
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In an other source, that I cannot identify now, Jesus is alledged to have said, (and I pray I quote accurately from memory), “My Church is the only Church born out of Love. All other churches have been born out of hate. They agree to disagree, and so My body has been divided 132,000 times, of which only a few are truly Satanic religions.”
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Why are you unable to identify the source?
 
It might be easiest to contrast the JW’s, LDS and Christian Scientist’s beliefs with some of the doctrines of the Nicene Creed. Note that Evangelicals ACCEPT the tenets of the historic creeds even though some Evangelical and Fundamentalist sects are explicitly anti-creedal–some groups would not permit any of the creeds to be read or studied in their churches nor accept them as authoritative. Notwithstanding this, such groups generally DO accept the tenets of the creeds as Biblical.

Space allows only a brief overview. Perhaps others will elaborate. I am most likely to err greatly as respects the Christian Scientists and for this I apologise in advance.

I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

Jehovah’s Witnesses: Are radical monotheists, not unlike Muslims. They do NOT accept the Divinity of Christ nor of the Holy Ghost.

LDS: Are properly understood as ‘Henotheists’–they believe in only one God whom humans are allowed to worship–‘Heavenly Father’–and believe that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are separate deities altogether. ‘Heavenly Father’ is a glorified personage of flesh and blood, just like us, who was once a mortal being like us, and who ascended to Deity. He is married to a Heavenly Mother, about whom little is revealed, and by her He conceived spirit-children. One-third of those rebelled against him and became devils, the rest are the obedient ones who are being born as human beings in order to acquire physical bodies and learn obedience.

Christian Scientists: Affirm belief in a ‘Father-Mother-God’, believe that the Christ-mind is Divine in some sort of mystical sense, but that Jesus was a human who perfectly embodied the Christ. The Holy Ghost is another way of speaking of Christian Science itself.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds; God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God; begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father, by whom all things were made.

JW’s: Jesus Christ is a created being, the first-born of all other created beings, also known as Michael the Archangel.

LDS: Jesus is the first-born and greatest, of Heavenly Father’s spirit-children, the one who led the obedient ones in the war against our spirit-brother Lucifer and the other rebels, the one who was born to show us how to live in perfect obedience. Jesus has since ascended to Deity alongside Heavenly Father.

Christian Scientists: Someone else will need to fill in the blanks on this. I know that Christian Scientists are theological liberals in their approach to Biblical exegesis and unlikely to believe much of what the NT says about Jesus’ pre-existence. Christ came to abolish belief in sin, sickness, and evil. He was the ‘Wayshower’ who demonstrated the unreality of what we humans perceive as the evils of this world.
 
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John-the-Seeker:
I cannot give source information for the all statements I am about to include here but I do know that I have learned them from sources I consider reliable.
JW is a Satanic Religion.
So strongly Satanic is this religion that we are warned not to accept or have in our homes or possession any of their tracts or their magazine The War Cry.
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John-the-Seeker,
As a former JW I will agree that because they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, they are a false religion - but I would not call them “Satanic.” I am also not familar with their magazine The War Cry. They publish the Watchtower & the AWAKE magazines… are you sure you are thinking of the right group?
 
**Who, for us men for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary, and was made man; and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate; He suffered and was buried; and the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits on the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again, with glory, to judge the quick and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end. **

Jehovah’s Witnesses: Michael the Archangel was made incarnate as Jesus by the Virgin Mary. He was crucified NOT on a tau–shaped cross but upon a simple pole or stake. Because JW’s do not believe the soul survives death, Jesus ceased to exist altogether while his corpse lay in the tomb. On the third day, his soul was resurrected and given a temporary glorified body, while his original corpse was disolved in it’s tomb. He ascended to Heaven, will lead the armies of Heaven in the Battle of Armageddon, and will judge the world alongside the 144,000.

LDS: Jesus was–according to speculaton by some early LDS leaders–conceived by Heavenly Father via sexual relations with Mary in a manner that somehow did not divest her of her virginity.
He bore the brunt of our sins not upon the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane; the crucifixion simply being the completion of the work begun in the Garden. He was literally resurrected and will literally return to set up His Millenial Kingdom in Far West Missouri.

Christian Science: Jesus, the person, was crucified but the Christ within him could not be killed.

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father and the Son; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

JW’s: The Holy Spirit is an inanimate force, the power of God manifest in the world.

LDS: The Holy Ghost–they don’t like to speak of the ‘Holy Spirit’ for some reason–is a disincarnate Divine Being but is not to be worshipped. He inspires human beings generally, particularly those who have received the appropriate Priesthood authority–all Mormon males are ordained to some form of priesthood, with men over the age of 21 usually holding the Melchizedek Priesthood. Every person is entitled to receive special revelation from the Holy Ghost as appropriate to their callings and standing in the Church. Only the President and Prophet of the LDS Church is entitled to receive revelation on behalf of the whole LDS Church. While Mormons agree that the Holy Ghost has spoken through prophets in times past, they also believe those prophet’s words have been tampered with, so that the Holy Bible is unreliable and needs the corrective of their Book of Mormon and other writings to restore the ‘plain and precious truths’ lost in times past.

Christian Science: The Holy Ghost is not a person nor God. “This Comforter I understand to be Divine Science” (Science and Health, p. 55). It is the unfolding of the thoughts and infinite mind of God (Science and Health, p. 502–503).
 
And I believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Jehovah’s Witnesses. Believe that the Church suffered apostasy in the 300 or so years prior to Constantine, culminating in the RCC. They recognise only their own form of baptism and the only other sacrament they observe is an annual Memorial Meal, which can be partaken of only by those who believe themselves to be among the 144,000. Witnesses deny the survival of the spirit or soul after death but believe that God will resurrect all humans after the Battle of Armaggedon–the 144,000 will reign with Christ and God from Heaven; the rest of the Godly will live forever on a Paradise on Earth, the un-Godly will be judged and then cast into Gehenna to be annhilated forever.

LDS: Believe in the complete apostasy of the Church, requiring Jesus to restore the keys of the Priesthood via the instrumentality of one Joseph Smith. They practice a baptism using a Trinitarian formula but, because their theology explicitly rejects the doctrine of Trinity, LDS baptism is not accept by the RCC. They believe that all souls go immediately after death either to Paradise (for the LDS only) or to Spirit Prison (for the rest of us). Those in Paradise are able to visit Spirit Prison in order to proclaim the LDS Gospel to all who had no opportunity to receive it in this life. Those who accept that gospel in Spirit Prison will need someone still living to perform baptism for them in-proxy in an LDS temple. After the endo of the world, all souls will be judged: Good Mormons will ascend to the Celestial Kingdom and have opportunity to become Gods and Goddesses themselves. Other good and Godly persons will go to the Terrestrial Kingdom. The un-Godly who lived as best they were able will go to the Telestial Kingdom. Apostates will join Lucifer and the devils in Outer Darkness (hell).

Christian Science: Believes that the teachings of Christian Science were lost over the ages. Does not practice baptism or other sacraments, apart from prayers for faith-healing. I am uncertain of Christian Science eschatology.

Hope this is helpful.
 
carol marie:
John-the-Seeker,
As a former JW I will agree that because they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, they are a false religion - but I would not call them “Satanic.” I am also not familar with their magazine The War Cry. They publish the Watchtower & the AWAKE magazines… are you sure you are thinking of the right group?
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The War Cry is a publication of the Salvation Army.

I concur that John-the-Seeker is using rather florid and somewhat inflammatory language. I think his earnestness is carrying him away a bit.
 
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flameburns623:
The War Cry is a publication of the Salvation Army.

I concur that John-the-Seeker is using rather florid and somewhat inflammatory language. I think his earnestness is carrying him away a bit.
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It does indeed seem that way. At the same time, the fact that this source has indicated that the War Cry is a publication of the WS would to me indicate that this source is not so reliable as John believes.
 
Why are you unable to identify the source?
I am unable to identify the source because it has been a long time since I read that statement. I have read many books and cannot always remember what was said by whom and where,

I apologize. I am too human and did make a mistake. It was the Watch Tower I should have referenced in the attempt to recall the message.

I concur that John-the-Seeker is using rather florid and somewhat inflammatory language. I think his earnestness is carrying him away a bit.

For this I apologize. I do try to differeniate between the denomination and the person. I suspect, but do not know, but I suspect, that all religious denominations whether "satanic’ or ‘christian’ or ‘whatever’ will have members in Heaven for I strongly believe the following.
**Woe to those who disclaim a form of prayer to My Father.**When the Jews pray to My Father, they pray to me for I am one with the Father. The Jews are very much My People. If you were a Protestant, would you love Me less? It should be known to all My children that I do not love them less because of the semantics of the dicotomy of religion.
I Am your Lord, God and I hear all forms of prayer. It is not your form of worship but your hearts that I want. Whether you are Jew or Gentile, you are, because of Me, Who Am!
My people who analytically debate theological trivia, should be made to know this fact of truth:
**I, your Lord, God, love all who come to Me to be loved. **
 
carol marie:
As a former JW I will agree that because they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, they are a false religion
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I believe the JW’s believe that Jesus and God are seperate and distinct. In other words Jesus is the “Son of God” as opposed to the Father. They do believe he is “heavenly” and 'godlike" which falls under the following definition of “Divine”. This must be the ex-Witness part of this forum 🙂 Doesn’t appear to be “non-Catholic” here.

1di·vine
Pronunciation: d&-'vIn
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): di·vin·er; -est
Etymology: Middle English divin, from Middle French, from Latin divinus, from divus god – more at DEITY
1 a : of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God or a god b : being a deity c : directed to a deity
2 a : supremely good : SUPERB b : HEAVENLY, GODLIKE
  • di·vine·ly adverb
 
The JW faith is a false religion. If their doctrines weren’t bad enough, their rendering of the scriptures in ‘The New World Translation of The Holy Scriptures’ takes the cake. They add to, detract from, and completely alter passages in scripture to suit their beliefs. The most infamous example is their rendering of John 1:1. The King James is, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”, while the NWT rendering is, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”!

They have a history of false prophecies and have made several doctrinal changes over the years also.
 
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