JWs & the Pope

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But in the mean time I have to find better tactics to defend our faith. He has pulled the worshipping of statues and praying to a cross instead of to God :mad: when we argue. That’s why I’m glad I have the members of CAF to guide me when I can’t do it alone (also, thanks to God because if it weren’t for Him, I would have lost it already).
Did you tell him that you’re not praying to statues and objects (such as the cross)? They are merely symbols and reminders of the Catholic faith. I like looking at the Cross while praying to have a focal point for my attention, as I am easily distracted. 😛
Sounds like you guys have a strong bond through marriage so I know in time it’ll work out. In the meantime, feel free to vent here! 😃
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Maybe I should thank my husband too because when I met him I decided to continue learning about my faith and I got confirmed. I also joined a Catechetical institute and this Sunday I start as a Catechist for Spanish speaking 1st graders!! 😃
God definitely had a plan when He joined you two together, that’s for sure! 😃 Any chance we have to learn about our faith is a good thing and only makes us stronger in our devotion for God. 😛
 
Did you tell him that you’re not praying to statues and objects (such as the cross)? They are merely symbols and reminders of the Catholic faith. I like looking at the Cross while praying to have a focal point for my attention, as I am easily distracted. 😛
Sounds like you guys have a strong bond through marriage so I know in time it’ll work out. In the meantime, feel free to vent here! 😃
Of course I did… I explained it very thoroughly after I explained the Trinity to him. He seemed to like my explanation of the Trinity but I guess he felt threatened and threw the statues thing to me. Now he knows why we use the statues and why we say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. 😃
 
Of course I did… I explained it very thoroughly after I explained the Trinity to him. He seemed to like my explanation of the Trinity but I guess he felt threatened and threw the statues thing to me. Now he knows why we use the statues and why we say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. 😃
Praise God!

If you could handle the Trinity, then I am relieved the statues thing was all he could come up with and this christmas date thing…

If you can now get to the real Jesus and his real teachings next— you’re in.

I’ll continue to pray for you both, with extra prayers for him (sorry!) and your family.

Today is the day to ask Mary for help. Do it.
 
Of course I did… I explained it very thoroughly after I explained the Trinity to him. He seemed to like my explanation of the Trinity but I guess he felt threatened and threw the statues thing to me. Now he knows why we use the statues and why we say that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one. 😃
I agree with Damascus in that if you could explain the Trinity to him, you’ve lept over one of the biggest hurdles already. 😉 It sounds like things are slowly moving forward in your favor so I’m glad. It’s hard having to be on the defense all the time but pray for guidance and stop by here if you need to release frustration and you’ll get through it.
There are alot of folks here that know the Catholic faith inside and out! Unfortunately, I’m not one of those but I can recite the stuff I was drilled with in Catholic school for twelve years. 😃
I will join Damascus in praying for you, your husband and your family!!! 🙂
 
I’ll continue to pray for you both, with extra prayers for him (sorry!) and your family.

Today is the day to ask Mary for help. Do it.
There are alot of folks here that know the Catholic faith inside and out! Unfortunately, I’m not one of those but I can recite the stuff I was drilled with in Catholic school for twelve years. 😃
I will join Damascus in praying for you, your husband and your family!!! 🙂
Thank you both!!
 
Yesterday, these two JW ladies came to my home, and started talking to me about God’s future goverment. They said that what better King than Jesus because he has God’s qualities… yeah we all know that. Then they brought up how Jesus will be more powerful than any other leader in the world, and brought up the Pope.

“Who do you think gets to see the Pope”… I said “everyone”. They said I was mistaken, only the rich could, they were the only ones who can get near him. That he is always in a secure car, no one can get near him, that you have to pay to go see the Pope blah blah blah… But then, I have no idea why, they came at me telling me that the Pope lives in a HUGE palace w/lots of security. I said, “really, I thought he lived in very simple quaters”. Then they argued that he had the most power in the world and he was basially the richest, wealthiest and most protected person in this world.

Gosh!!! Doesn’t it occur to them to think back a few years? Pope JPII was shot and then the Pope mobile came… ugh!!

I don’t get why these people have this constant need of bashing the Catholics! It angries me so much that they come uninvited to a home and then they talk smack about your religion!! :mad:
I’ve had it w/these people!!!

Can’t they get the facts straight either?? :confused: :mad:
The Pope does in fact live in a place where wealth is abundant. Not only that, the Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations in the entire world. The Bible does not support this at all, and Jesus Christ (God’s Son) was probably the poorest person (materially speaking) in the Earth, yet he was rich spiritually. Mostly everything the Catholic church does involves money and paying and donating more and more money to it. Where does the Bible say that its ok to PAY THE PRIEST MONEY? Jesus Christ DID NOT PAY HIS APOSTLES. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not get paid. You might like to learn from them, as they are truly God’s people.

Jehovah’s Witnesses distribute not just millions, but BILLIONS of Bible teaching aids, and they do it all FREE and on top of that, they will visit people in ther own homes and teach them God’s Word, and this is done in 235 countries. That is also FREE. It is actually a REAL FACT that the average Catholic does not even know what God’s Kingdom actually is, and yet they pray for it daily, without know what it is. God’s name is Yahweh or known as Jehovah and the average Catholic does not even know God’s name! This is a disgrace when you think about it. “Hallowed by thy name” is what Jesus Christ said. JW’s are truly correct.

Also Jesus Christ instructed his followers to Go therefore making disciples earthwide, and they did it from door to door as well as many other ways. Jehovah’s Witnesses are OBEDIENT to Jesus Christ’s command and they tell people about God’s Kingdom as in the Lords Prayer “Thy Kingdom Come” and that will be ON EARTH not in heaven.
 
The Pope does in fact live in a place where wealth is abundant. Not only that, the Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations in the entire world. The Bible does not support this at all, and Jesus Christ (God’s Son) was probably the poorest person (materially speaking) in the Earth, yet he was rich spiritually. Mostly everything the Catholic church does involves money and paying and donating more and more money to it. Where does the Bible say that its ok to PAY THE PRIEST MONEY? Jesus Christ DID NOT PAY HIS APOSTLES. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not get paid. You might like to learn from them, as they are truly God’s people.

Jesus Christ is God.

The rest of your false accusations need citations.

Jehovah’s Witnesses distribute not just millions, but BILLIONS of Bible teaching aids, and they do it all FREE and on top of that, they will visit people in ther own homes and teach them God’s Word, and this is done in 235 countries. That is also FREE.

SATAN works for free.

It is actually a REAL FACT that the average Catholic does not even know what God’s Kingdom actually is, and yet they pray for it daily, without know what it is. God’s name is Yahweh or known as Jehovah and the average Catholic does not even know God’s name! This is a disgrace when you think about it. “Hallowed by thy name” is what Jesus Christ said. JW’s are truly correct.

Jehovah! Praise his name! Okay, next.

Also Jesus Christ instructed his followers to Go therefore making disciples earthwide, and they did it from door to door as well as many other ways. Jehovah’s Witnesses are OBEDIENT to Jesus Christ’s command and they tell people about God’s Kingdom as in the Lords Prayer “Thy Kingdom Come”

Have you ever said the Lord’s Prayer?

So are we. Your Point?

Your Paradise on Earth is Hell.
 
The Pope does in fact live in a place where wealth is abundant. Not only that, the Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations in the entire world.
A place where wealth is abundant? Maybe, I don’t know the income of Italy, Rome, or the Vatican. And the Catholic Church is possibly the largest organization in the entire world, so it’s amount of wealth would be expected to be proportional to that. Remember, however, that we have to support the upkeep of our churches, our priests and religious (both active and retired) our missionaries, and charities. The money that flows around the Catholic church is put towards these causes. As a matter of fact, my church just gave us all a copy of their fiscal year (or something like that, it told us where the money had come from and where it went) in our bullitiens. They also print the amount of money collected the previous week in the following week’s bullitien. Nevertheless I agree with Damascus. I’d want to see sources that say that we’re one of the “richest organisation in the entire world”
The Bible does not support this at all, and Jesus Christ (God’s Son) was probably the poorest person (materially speaking) in the Earth, yet he was rich spiritually. Mostly everything the Catholic church does involves money and paying and donating more and more money to it. Where does the Bible say that its ok to PAY THE PRIEST MONEY? Jesus Christ DID NOT PAY HIS APOSTLES. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not get paid. You might like to learn from them, as they are truly God’s people.
I’ve already spoken about this, talking about why the Church requires so many donations from the faithful. Yes, we recognize that Jesus was materialistically probably poor according to the offering made for him at his presentation in the Temple. This doesn’t mean, however, that we should ignore the needs of our church and others. By the way, when paying the priest money, it’s generally after a nuptial mass or possibly funeral mass, or when requesting a mass be said for a specific person, and the amount is generally not very much.
Jehovah’s Witnesses distribute not just millions, but BILLIONS of Bible teaching aids, and they do it all FREE and on top of that, they will visit people in ther own homes and teach them God’s Word, and this is done in 235 countries. That is also FREE.
And Catholic charities help take care of thousands of poor and disabled people in hundreds of countries. Perhaps you have heard of Mother Theresa? Her order of nuns deals only with helping the poor. There are also countless Catholic hospitals, schools, women’s shelters, and orphanages. All of this is done while preaching the gospel through our *lives *as well as words.
It is actually a REAL FACT that the average Catholic does not even know what God’s Kingdom actually is, and yet they pray for it daily, without know what it is. God’s name is Yahweh or known as Jehovah and the average Catholic does not even know God’s name! This is a disgrace when you think about it. “Hallowed by thy name” is what Jesus Christ said. JW’s are truly correct.
Really? A REAL FACT? That’s odd, because most Catholics I know happen to know the true story of the name of Yahweh, including it’s mistranslation into ‘Jehovah’ and the fact that the total translation is lost. You’re assuming and, quite honestly, being arrogant when you claim to know what the ‘average’ Catholic does or does not know.
Also Jesus Christ instructed his followers to Go therefore making disciples earthwide, and they did it from door to door as well as many other ways. Jehovah’s Witnesses are OBEDIENT to Jesus Christ’s command and they tell people about God’s Kingdom as in the Lords Prayer “Thy Kingdom Come” and that will be ON EARTH not in heaven.
Yes, and Catholics have headed this message as well, which is why we’re the largest church in the world, in every country I believe. We preach the gospel not only through words, but through our lives (as I said before). Catholics recite the Our Father (Lord’s Prayer) at every mass, so we know it quite well as well. It’s true, for instance, that the prayer says “They Kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven” which means that we ask God’s will be done as perfectly and fully on Earth as it is in Heaven, and we’re praying that He’ll return again soon. It doesn’t mean his Kingdom is on Earth.

Whew, sorry for the long post everyone!
 
The Pope does in fact live in a place where wealth is abundant. Not only that, the Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations in the entire world. The Bible does not support this at all, and Jesus Christ (God’s Son) was probably the poorest person (materially speaking) in the Earth, yet he was rich spiritually. Mostly everything the Catholic church does involves money and paying and donating more and more money to it. Where does the Bible say that its ok to PAY THE PRIEST MONEY? Jesus Christ DID NOT PAY HIS APOSTLES. Jehovah’s Witnesses do not get paid. You might like to learn from them, as they are truly God’s people.

Jehovah’s Witnesses distribute not just millions, but BILLIONS of Bible teaching aids, and they do it all FREE and on top of that, they will visit people in ther own homes and teach them God’s Word, and this is done in 235 countries. That is also FREE.
You guys sound like you are jealous of the Catholic Church which has existed since the time of Jesus. Wouldn’t you wish that she dies a natural death and disappear from the face of the earth? I’m sure you do and it surely irks you that we are still going strong to this days.

We know that you all are disgusted with the abuse the church, the Popes/Bishops/Priests committed centuries ago. Sorry to break your bubbles, those were things of the past. Just because of the mistakes of the few it does not make the church wrong. You are still living in the 9th centuries and I’m sorry your leaders do not update you. So try to rethink about the Pope being the most powerful person and living in great luxury.
It is actually a REAL FACT that the average Catholic does not even know what God’s Kingdom actually is, and yet they pray for it daily, without know what it is. God’s name is Yahweh or known as Jehovah and the average Catholic does not even know God’s name! This is a disgrace when you think about it. “Hallowed by thy name” is what Jesus Christ said. JW’s are truly correct.
My dear friend, what about if I say that you are so very wrong in saying that God’s name is Yahweh or Jehovah? Until today we can never be sure that’s the correct sound for God’s name. At best it’s merely good guess work. Don’t you know that ancient Hebrew doesn’t have any vowel and that the name of the Lord God is never spelt in full? Don’t you know that they didn’t say the name of the Lord God because it’s too sacred even to be mentioned? Please give us a break.

I’m sorry if I sound harsh with you. What I’m trying to say - the Catholic Church is really not what you think she is.

Peace and may God bless you.
 
JwTruth-

If your comments were True and you speak the Truth, you ought to have been able to Find your citations to Back up your Allegations against Holy Father ,the Catholic Church, our faith ,and-you have not.

Can you please come back with some Truth Jwtruth?

When coming to a Catholic forum, be prepared to have your information ready when telling us what we do believe or practice or are somehow missing the mark.

May Jehovah guide you when you represent being a witness of his. False accusations get Jehovah very upset.
 
The Pope does in fact live in a place where wealth is abundant. Not only that, the Catholic Church is one of the richest organisations in the entire world. The Bible does not support this at all.
Hmmm, I wonder how much this building and land is worth?
 
jwtruth,
Welcome to the forums! 👋

We are happy you are here. I am certain we have misconceptions about your faith, as it appears you have many misconceptions about ours. I hope that you’ll stick around so we can learn a bit about each other.

God Bless,
CM
 
Where does the Bible say that its ok to PAY THE PRIEST MONEY?
Here ya go and this is from the New World Translation…published by the Watchtower Society:

In Luke 10, Jesus sends out the 70 disciples to preach. Notice what verse 7 says:

“So stay in the house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages.”

Also check out 1 Corinthians 9:11-14 from the New World Translation:

“If we have sown spiritual things to you, is it something great if we shall reap things for the flesh from you? If other men partake of this authority over you, do we not much more so? Nevertheless, we have not made use of this authority, be we are bearing all things, in order that we might not offer any hindrance to the good news about the Christ. Do you not know that the men performing sacred duties eat the things of the temple, and those constantly attending at the altar have a portion for themselves with the altar? In this way, too, the Lord ordained for those proclaiming the good news to live by means of the good news.”

So St. Paul says that he has the right to be paid for serving the Corinthians although at that time he did not exercise that right.

I might add as someone who once served at the World Headquarters of the Jehovah’s Witnesses that I got paid. It was not much but I had room and board taken care of and I got an allowance. Also, the Watchtower Society owns some of the most valuable real estate in all of Brooklyn, New York.

For example, the Watchtower Society sold their building at 360 Furman Street in Brooklyn, New York. I think it sold for at least $100 Million dollars. A development company is going to make it into condos. (I used to work in this building.)

jw-media.org/region/americas/usa/english/releases/events/usa_e040412.htm

watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/watchtower-money/watchtower-building-in-brooklyn-heights-for-sale/

nydailynews.com/boroughs/story/388994p-330065c.html

nysun.com/article/43610?page_no=3

And the JWs also have their share of money scandals:

watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/watchtower-money/jehovahs-witness-church-elders-sentenced-to-15-years-for-6-million-theft/

However, the Watchtower Society has gotten into trouble for not caring for their volunteers and workers properly.

watchtowerinformationservice.org/?p=332&cp=all#comments

It does take money to run any organization but for some reason JWs like to make an issue of this and condemn other religious groups for fundraising and asking for money but their own organization raises money, fundraises through literature sales, has money, and uses it. And their own organization also makes decisions based on what is best for their organization financially. Check out the following link:

watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/watchtower-money/watchtower-society-and-donations/

As usual, my advice to you, JWTruth would be that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
 
Well, again I have said that money is a good topic.

Jwtruth- can you tell us where the WBTS uses their money for charitable causes and tell us what those are and who they serve?

I never get an answer to that one.

Yet, the Pope is a large concern for the WBTS.

I wonder why? Is it to distract you from what they do or do not do?

Remember how Satan falsely accused Job?

I see a parallel here.
 
Yesterday, these two JW ladies came to my home, and started talking to me about God’s future goverment. They said that what better King than Jesus because he has God’s qualities… yeah we all know that. Then they brought up how Jesus will be more powerful than any other leader in the world, and brought up the Pope.

“Who do you think gets to see the Pope”… I said “everyone”. They said I was mistaken, only the rich could, they were the only ones who can get near him. That he is always in a secure car, no one can get near him, that you have to pay to go see the Pope blah blah blah… But then, I have no idea why, they came at me telling me that the Pope lives in a HUGE palace w/lots of security. I said, “really, I thought he lived in very simple quaters”. Then they argued that he had the most power in the world and he was basially the richest, wealthiest and most protected person in this world.

Gosh!!! Doesn’t it occur to them to think back a few years? Pope JPII was shot and then the Pope mobile came… ugh!!

I don’t get why these people have this constant need of bashing the Catholics! It angries me so much that they come uninvited to a home and then they talk smack about your religion!! :mad:
I’ve had it w/these people!!!

Can’t they get the facts straight either?? :confused: :mad:
they love to cut us down. they believe what they are taught by the falsetowers wolves. the falsetower teaches lies about us, lies about the Holy Father. they program their members to accept and teach what they are given as indisputable evidence. we all know that they are lying about the Holy Father. Simply tell them about one of their alcoholic presidents, JF Rutherford who built a house in California because he thought abraham, isaac, and jacob would need it,
and that they’d come back wearing top hats.

ask them where the society got all that money to buy expensive buildings ask them why they don’t donate to hunger causes, homeless, poor, hurricane victims, cancer research, so on. we do. Jesus commanded us to be charitable, to help those in need, ask them, why aren’t you following Christ’s command in this regard?

ask them how can you ignore His commands? if you truly are the truth, why are you disobeying Christ? why are you disobeying God?

Ask them, why was Charles Taze Russel selling “miracle wheat” when in fact it was anything but? why did he make false predictions about the end?

they will have nothing to say to you in this regard. they love to cut us down , cut down the pope, and the church, but fail to look at their leaders who lied and made false predictions
which is something that the pope and the church have not.
 
Whether this name, HE WHO IS, is the most proper name of God?

Objection 1. It seems that this name HE WHO IS is not the most proper name of God. For this name “God” is an incommunicable name. But this name HE WHO IS, is not an incommunicable name. Therefore this name HE WHO IS is not the most proper name of God.

Objection 2. Further, Dionysius says (Div. Nom. iii) that “the name of good excellently manifests all the processions of God.” But it especially belongs to God to be the universal principle of all things. Therefore this name “good” is supremely proper to God, and not this name HE WHO IS.

Objection 3. Further, every divine name seems to imply relation to creatures, for God is known to us only through creatures. But this name HE WHO IS imports no relation to creatures. Therefore this name HE WHO IS is not the most applicable to God.

On the contrary, **It is written that when Moses asked, “If they should say to me, What is His name? what shall I say to them?” The Lord answered him, “Thus shalt thou say to them, HE WHO IS hath sent me to you” (Exodus 3:13-14). Therefor this name HE WHO IS most properly belongs to God. **I answer that, This name HE WHO IS is most properly applied to God, for three reasons:

First, because of its signification. For it does not signify form, but simply existence itself. Hence since the existence of God is His essence itself, which can be said of no other (3, 4), it is clear that among other names this one specially denominates God, for everything is denominated by its form.

Secondly, on account of its universality. For all other names are either less universal, or, if convertible with it, add something above it at least in idea; hence in a certain way they inform and determine it. Now our intellect cannot know the essence of God itself in this life, as it is in itself, but whatever mode it applies in determining what it understands about God, it falls short of the mode of what God is in Himself. Therefore the less determinate the names are, and the more universal and absolute they are, the more properly they are applied to God. Hence Damascene says (De Fide Orth. i) that, “HE WHO IS, is the principal of all names applied to God; for comprehending all in itself, it contains existence itself as an infinite and indeterminate sea of substance.” Now by any other name some mode of substance is determined, whereas this name HE WHO IS, determines no mode of being, but is indeterminate to all; and therefore it denominates the “infinite ocean of substance.”

Thirdly, from its consignification, for it signifies present existence; and this above all properly applies to God, whose existence knows not past or future, as Augustine says (De Trin. v).

Reply to Objection 1. This name HE WHO IS is the name of God more properly than this name “God,” as regards its source, namely, existence; and as regards the mode of signification and consignification, as said above. But as regards the object intended by the name, this name “God” is more proper, as it is imposed to signify the divine nature; and still more proper is the Tetragrammaton, imposed to signify the substance of God itself, incommunicable and, if one may so speak, singular.

Reply to Objection 2. This name “good” is the principal name of God in so far as He is a cause, but not absolutely; for existence considered absolutely comes before the idea of cause.

Reply to Objection 3. It is not necessary that all the divine names should import relation to creatures, but it suffices that they be imposed from some perfections flowing from God to creatures. Among these the first is existence, from which comes this name, HE WHO IS.

I like FATHER as well.

Heavenly Father,

Allmighty Father,

Hey, how about the name for God I just Love-

JESUS CHRIST
 
That he is always in a secure car, no one can get near him, . . . . the Pope lives . . . . w/lots of security.
I don’t think we Catholics would want it any other way.

By the way, Pope Benedict’s cousin is a JW. Seems like the JW’s would get her in on the action.
 
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