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[Emeraldlady]

Thanks for that info! 5.5 million out of how many potential phones have downloaded…if you know? Would you say over 50%?

The expectation is for 40% of the population or 8 million people to make for effective coverage.

Do quite a few or almost no screaming about privacy invasion? In other words, how accepting are the people to this. It’s such a brilliant plan and would be so effective if everyone would overcome their fear of it. It invades no privacy and when the crisis is over…delete it!

No, there hasn’t been any significant concern about privacy. Most are happy to do what it takes to get society going again. The Archbishop of our diocese called for us all to download it after online Mass finished last Sunday as well.

I’m under no delusion that at some point in time I may be exposed to Covid. I just really need to aware when I am if at all possible! We may never have a vaccine but we may discover an early treatment or drug that lessens the severity…to know I’ve been exposed and could utilize something like that is huge for me!

I think the app will be really helpful for identifying who should get tested. It seems that the most contagious window is just before and just after the first symptoms show up so that should lead to more efficient quarantining.

 

[dochawk]

How many people have you seen on this forum alone discussing heading somewhere else to attend before their own churches open?

it would be nuts to permit non-members in the meantime . . .

 

[Mrchatsworth]

Regardless of intention this is something the framers would have gone to war over. Not us though, we will happily submit.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Scary, isn’t it?

 

[PaulinVA]

I think you’re very hard on people who believe that they have a right to worship without having to register with the government

It’s not the government. It’s the parish or other organizing entity.

And, to tie this into another post, so 13000 out of 17000 Catholic parishes in the US have applied for PPP loans (which don’t have to be paid back) from the US government.

Seems hypocritical to not facilitate contact tracing.

 

[CilladeRoma]

Those are payroll loans, also being given to restaurants/bars, salons/barbershops and retail stores. Do you also expect them to maintain lists of everyone who shows up at one of their establishments and hand it over to the government when asked?

 

[PaulinVA]

Do you also expect them to maintain lists of everyone who shows up at one of their establishments and hand it over to the government when asked?

It’s. Called. Contact. Tracing.

 

[CilladeRoma]

And are we expecting it of others? Or just the Church? You did not answer my question.
If I go to a restaurant, asymptomatic,and someone gets the virus how are you going to “contract trace” that? Or the grocery store, or the Target, or the gym?

 

[PaulinVA]

And are we expecting it of others? Or just the Church? You did not answer my question.
If I go to a restaurant, asymptomatic,and someone gets the virus how are you going to “contract trace” that? Or the grocery store, or the Target, or the gym

I’ll wait here while you read the mayor’s order linked in the OP. It has the answer to your questions.

 

[CilladeRoma]

And I will wait while you look at the original Tweet and then read that the Mayor’s directives have been revised, a couple of times. No doubt, in part due to the language of the original directive.

 

[dochawk]

Regardless of intention this is something the framers would have gone to war over. Not us though, we will happily submit.

You mean like how General Washington forcibly inoculated his troops?

No, the founding fathers were not reckless in that manner, but rather respected science, medicine, and common sense.

They were even big on that phrase, “God helps those who help themselves”.

Rushing indignantly to church is reminiscent of the Christian in the flood . . .

 

[Mrchatsworth]

It isn’t reckless to worship together or get food. Spiritual or otherwise. Period. It just isn’t. It isn’t anymore reckless to protest or worship or live life than it is to go to the grocery store, Taco Bell, and Home Depot.

 

[PaulinVA]

And I will wait while you look at the original Tweet and then read that the Mayor’s directives have been revised, a couple of times.

Good. I see you’ve read it. Do you think I would have asked you to read it if I hadn’t?

Yes. It’s been revised to no longer include churches, but to include a recommendation for other businesses to keep lists.

So, let me ask you - why should Churches be exempt from facilitating contact tracing during a public health emergency?

 

[dochawk]

It isn’t reckless to worship together or get food. Spiritual or otherwise. Period.

Leaving aside the childishness of tacking “period” after a statement in an attempt to strengthen it, neither of those is the issue at hand.

I was replying specifically to your statement about what the founders would have done with a counterexample of one of their actual acts.

Worshiping, even together, or getting food, is not reckless. Hundreds of people in a two foot by three foot spacing for an hour is reckless.

High density, which is common in churches, is reckless.

A crowded restaurant is reckless, and so forth.

packing people in at fire code limits, whether for a grocery store or a church is reckless.

It isn’t anymore reckless to protest or worship or live life than it is to go to the grocery store, Taco Bell, and Home Depot.

Unless I’ve missed something, none of those allow their prior customer density, or close to it . . .

 

[CilladeRoma]

Because it is an infringement of the free exercise of my religion to have to report my presence to anyone.
I have attend many churches in my life. I have never been asked for ID or required to leave my mame and contact information. I certainly do not intend to do so know, just as a matter if principle.
Once you let the erosion start, it is almost impossible to stop.

 

[PaulinVA]

Okay, whatever.

Let me ask this. If your name was not taken, but the parish contacted every parishioner, including you, through email or phone and asked everyone who attended a certain Mass to call the health department because someone who tested positive was at that Mass, would you?

 

[Mrchatsworth]

At Lowe’s today I was closer to people than at mass. At chic fil a today I was closer with food and employees than receiving the Eucharist. A friend hugged me at Fred Meyer today and another fist bumped me. I grabbed some tomatoes that I’m sure were handled by many people customers, store workers, dock workers, farm workers, truckers. Same with lettuce. The pizza guy will now deliver pizza to my door in a box that was in his car. If I can go to target, I can go to Mass.

 

[dochawk]

There is a huge difference between two people passing and hundreds of people staying put at that distance for an hour.

It really comes down to the math and the density not just of interactions, but of secondary and tertiary interactions.

Draw a line between every person that interacts with every other. Make it a bit darker if no facemarks for the possibility that one is already infected and doesn’t know it. Darken that line a bit more for each person that either comes into contact with later, and maybe half as much again for each person that they come into contact with.

The darker this map becomes, the more opportunities for infection.

To stop it doesn’t require removing all of these, but by making the map light enough.

Ultimately, the “R”, the average number of infections stemming from each infection, needs to drop below 1. The further below 1, the faster it dies off. Above 1, the level of infection increases.

The base level, R0, is notably higher for this disease than for other recent ones, as well as common ones.

 

[Mrchatsworth]

Ok. 10 characters.

 

[Wampa]

There is a huge difference between two people passing and hundreds of people staying put at that distance for an hour.

It really comes down to the math and the density not just of interactions, but of secondary and tertiary interactions.

To follow up on that point, here’s an article that clearly explains why shopping is relatively low risk, while Mass is high risk:

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