Karl Rove Hurts DemLibs' Feelings

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Wasn’t that Michael Moore sitting in the DNC’s Presidential Box? Wasn’t that John Kerry on Meet the Press aserting that the war on terror was “primarily” a law enforcement action?

Big-name Democrats have foolishly engaged Karl Rove exactly as he no doubt hoped they would. Ankle-Biting Pundits has it figured out, but the Mehlman statement from the RNC underscores how the rush to condemn Rove for speaking the truth about the Michael Moore/George Soros/MoveOn.org left now obliges those very same people attacking Rove to argue that the evidence produced by Mehlman is either inapplicable or misunderstood.

The left in this country is defeatist, harshly critical of the American military, and always eager to blame America for creating terrorists as though our actions in defense of ourselves and innocents everywhere are the root cause of terrorism. With Dick Durbin’s and Nancy Pelosi’s shameful attacks on the military this week, the gloves are coming off, and the debate about what the Democrats believe will be an excellent one for the entire country to observe.

Mehlman’s statement:

"It’s outrageous that the same Democrats who stood by Dick Durbin’s libeling of our military are now expressing faux outrage over Karl Rove’s statement of historical fact. George Soros, Michael Moore, MoveOn and the hard left were wrong after 9/11, just as it was wrong for Democrat leaders to stand by and remain silent after Dick Durbin made his deplorable comments.”
  • RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman
Liberal Third Party Groups Urged Restraint, Blamed America:

Immediately After 9/11, MoveOn.Org Petition Urged “Moderation And Restraint” And Use Of “International Judicial Institutions.”

• “We, The Undersigned, Citizens And Residents Of The United States Of America … Appeal To The President Of The United States, George W. Bush … And To All Leaders Internationally To Use Moderation And Restraint In Responding To The Recent Terrorist Attacks Against The United States.” (MoveOn.Org Website, “MoveOn Peace,” web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)

• “We Implore The Powers That Be To Use, Wherever Possible, International Judicial Institutions And International Human Rights Law To Bring To Justice Those Responsible For The Attacks, Rather Than The Instruments Of War, Violence Or Destruction.” (MoveOn.Org Website, “MoveOn Peace,” web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)

• “[W]e Demand That There Be No Recourse To Nuclear, Chemical Or Biological Weapons, Or Any Weapons Of Indiscriminate Destruction, And Feel That It Is Our Inalienable Human Right To Live In A World Free Of Such Arms.” (MoveOn.Org Website, “MoveOn Peace,” web.archive.org/web/20021127190638/peace.moveon.org/petition.php3, Posted 9/13/01, Accessed 6/23/05)

Just After 9/11, Liberal Filmmaker Michael Moore Derided “Terror And Bloodshed” Committed By Americans. (David Brooks, Op-Ed, “All Hail Moore,” The New York Times, 6/26/04)

• Just After 9/11, Moore Blamed America’s “Taxpayer-Funded Terrorism” And Bush Administration For Terrorist Attacks. “We abhor terrorism – unless we’re the ones doing the terrorizing. We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the 1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me.…Let’s mourn, let’s grieve, and when it’s appropriate let’s examine our contribution to the unsafe world we live in.” (Michael Moore Website Archive, “Death, Downtown,” Posted 9/12/01, www.michaelmoore.com, Accessed 7/27/04)

• Michael Moore Said U.S. Should Not Have Removed Taliban After 9/11. Moore: “Likewise, to bomb Afghanistan – I mean, I’ve never understood this, Tim.” (CNBC’s “Tim Russert,” 10/19/02)

Liberal Donor George Soros Claimed America Should Have Treated 9/11 Attacks As Crime, Responded With Police Work. “War is a false and misleading metaphor in the context of combating terrorism. Treating the attacks of September 11 as crimes against humanity would have been more appropriate. Crimes require police work, not military action. To protect against terrorism, you need precautionary measures, awareness, and intelligence gathering – all of which ultimately depend on the support of the populations among which terrorists operate. Imagine for a moment that September 11 had been treated as a crime. We would have pursued Bin Laden in Afghanistan, but we would not have invaded Iraq. Nor would we have our military struggling to perform police work in full combat gear and getting killed in the process.” (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 18)
 
• Soros Said The Execution Of 9/11 Attacks “Could Not Have Been More Spectacular.” “Admittedly, the terrorist attack was a historic event in its own right. Hijacking fully loaded airplanes and using them as suicide bombs was an audacious idea, and the execution could not have been more spectacular.” (George Soros, The Bubble Of American Supremacy, 2004, p. 2)

• Soros Said War On Terror Had Claimed More Innocent Victims Than 9/11 Attack Itself. “This is a very tough thing to say, but the fact is, that the war on terror as conducted by this administration, has claimed more innocent victims that the original attack itself.” (George Soros, Remarks At Take Back America Conference, Washington, DC, 6/3/04)

Liberal Democrats Urged Restraint, Blamed America:

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH): “‘The Time For Peace Is Now,’ [Kucinich] Declared Optimistically July 11, Two Months To The Day Before Terrorists Hit The Pentagon And The World Trade Center. … Sitting In His Capitol Hill Office Last Week, Near A Window Where He Could See The Smoke Rising From The Pentagon On Sept. 11, Kucinich Insisted He Is More Optimistic Than Ever That People Worldwide Are Ready To Embrace The Cause Of Nonviolence.” (Elizabeth Auster, “Offer The Hand Of Peace,” [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)

• Kucinich: “Afghanistan May Be An Incubator Of Terrorism But It Doesn’t Follow That We Bomb Afghanistan …” (Elizabeth Auster, “Offer The Hand Of Peace,” [Cleveland, OH] Plain Dealer, 9/30/01)

Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI): “Only Now Are We Trying To Figure Out What Is Islam. Maybe If There Was A Department Of Peace, They Would Be Able To Say, ‘Uh-Oh, We’ve Got Some Problems With These People,’ … I Truly Believe That If We Had A Department Of Peace, We Would Have Seen [9/11] Coming.” (Ethan Wallison, “War A Challenge For Peace Caucus,” Roll Call, 10/1/01)

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-CA): “I Am Convinced That Military Action Will Not Prevent Further Acts Of International Terrorism Against The United States.” (Eddy Ramirez, “Calif. Congresswoman Alone In Vote Against War Powers Resolution,” [University Of California-Berkeley] Daily Californian, 9/17/01)

Al Sharpton (D-NY) Said That The Attacks On The World Trade Center Are Evidence That “America Is Beginning To Reap What It Has Sown.” (Adam Nagourney, “Say It Loud,” The New York Times, 12/1/02)

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) Claimed Osama Bin Laden Could Be Compared To “Revolutionaries That Helped To Cast Off The British Crown.” “‘One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown,’ Kaptur told an Ohio newspaper, The (Toledo) Blade.” (Malie Rulon, “Lawmaker Compares Osama, U.S. Patriots,” The Associated Press, 3/6/03)

Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) Said The United States Would “Pay Every Single Hour, Ever Single Day” That Bombs Were Dropped In Afghanistan. “‘How much longer does the bombing campaign continue?’ Biden asked during an Oct. 22 speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. ‘We’re going to pay every single hour, every single day it continues.’” (Miles A. Pomper, “Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities,” Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)

• “The Bombing Campaign, [Biden] Said, Reinforced Existing Stereotypes Of The United States As A ‘High-Tech Bully …’” (Miles A. Pomper, “Building Anti-Terrorism Coalition Vaults Ahead Of Other Priorities,” Congressional Quarterly Weekly, 10/26/01)

Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT) Said Osama Bin Laden Not Guilty. Dean: “I Still Have This Old-Fashioned Notion That Even With People Like Osama, Who Is Very Likely To Be Found Guilty, We Should Do Our Best Not To, In Positions Of Executive Power, Not To Prejudge Jury Trials.” (“Dean Not Ready To Pronounce Osama Bin Laden Guilty,” The Associated Press, 12/26/03)

Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) To High School Students: “How Would [Muslims] Look At Us Today If We Had Been There Helping Them With Some Of That Rather Than Just Being The People Who Are Going To Bomb In Iraq And Go To Afghanistan? … War Is Expensive Too … Your Generation Ought To Be Thinking About Whether We Should Be Better Neighbors Out In Other Countries So That They Have A Different Vision Of Us.” (Gregg Herrington, “Senator Asks Students To Ponder,” The [Vancouver, WA] Columbian, 12/19/02)

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA): “[W]ar On Terror Is Far Less Of A Military Operation And Far More Of An Intelligence-Gathering, Law-Enforcement Operation.” (The Iowa Brown & Black Coalition Presidential Forum, Des Moines, IA, 1/11/04)

• Kerry: “[W]hat We’ve Learned Is That The War On Terror Is Much More Of An Intelligence Operation And A Law Enforcement Operation.” (NPR’s “All Things Considered,” 3/19/03)
 
I do hope he will say that he is sorry if their feelings were hurt. 😃
 
Looks like par for the course with Howard Dean. I guess I’d hate to say be politically correct, but they should give the other side the benifit that they are trying to act with good intentions.
 
I listened to the offensive portion of Rove’s speech. Some of what he said was inaccurate, overly broad, and insensitive. I feel he should apologize - not to the Democrats but to the survivors of 9/11 that he offended.
 
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geezerbob:
I listened to the offensive portion of Rove’s speech. Some of what he said was inaccurate, overly broad, and insensitive. I feel he should apologize - not to the Democrats but to the survivors of 9/11 that he offended.
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do you have a link to the audio?
 
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geezerbob:
I listened to the offensive portion of Rove’s speech. Some of what he said was inaccurate, overly broad, and insensitive. I feel he should apologize - not to the Democrats but to the survivors of 9/11 that he offended.
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What is the some of what he said that was inaccurate, overly broad and insensitive? Do you have a link to the audio so that people can judge for themselves? From the excerpts I’ve read, Rove’s comments hit home and characterize the left’s response and sentiments accurately.
 
aimee said:
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click on the video header and follow…there is a video of it…or part of Karl Rove speech…I’m not sure what he should appoligize for :confused:
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Me either. I find it interesting how the Democrats are all up in arms as Rove only discussed his opinion of liberals and not Democrats in regards to 9/11. I thought Democrats were moderates and not liberals?

I also find it interesting the Democrats don’t have the backbone to argue for their liberal policies and whine when anyone reminds them of this reality. Maybe it’s because liberals know if they actually tell people what they want/stand for they will be voted out of office nationally in even greater numbers than in the last 3 election cycles.
 
Rove just calls it the we he sees it. I think he’s right. The Dems are freaked out because they can’t handle straight talk. The picture of Hillary at Drudge expressing her disgust puts it all in perspective.
 
Rove is brillant. It seemed when the DNC chairman says his remarks, the general idea was that he shouldn’t have said that, but of course we all think that. It will help build up the liberal base. He said that he is not going to resign, but says that others shouldn’t focus on what he says but the issues. Well, one doesn’t have to be too smart to realize you say those things and people will focus on them.

Rove says says almost the same thing. Trying to troll out some comments. The conservative base loves it. It takes time away from the stories that are critical of Bush, in that the war approval ratings are done. Plus you have congressional hearings of Rumsfield and the generals, where they get a chance to defend themselves. Not bad PR all things considared.

To me I just wished they’d stop trying the polarize the country, I think we’d be much better off united, but what thats their choice.
 
:crying: Awwwwww! Well at least we are not killing their offspring. The truth hurts.
 
What would a non apology apology like that of Durbin’s hurt anyway? He could say, Given the current climate in the world and the need to be showing the Iraqi people that we are a strong country in favor of supporting freedom in the world for all people and mainly Iraq, I am sorry if some Democrats, that think of themselves as liberals, were offened by my comments.
 
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Fitz:
What would a non apology apology like that of Durbin’s hurt anyway? He could say, Given the current climate in the world and the need to be showing the Iraqi people that we are a strong country in favor of supporting freedom in the world for all people and mainly Iraq, I am sorry if some Democrats, that think of themselves as liberals, were offened by my comments.
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very good, Fitz 😉 actually…I would’nt mind hearing the reaction 😃
 
Thekla…I sense your around…think I met your double on another forum 😃
 
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