Kavanaugh Drama Risks Driving Moderates, Women Away From GOP

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Ridgerunner said:
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I think Kavanaugh’s nomination is in serious jeopardy.
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Oh, I think he’s finished. Democrats will not vote for a faithful Catholic, and will oppose the appointment of one no matter what they have to do. They suspect all faithful Catholics of being prolife, and since their only doctrine is abortion, they’ll do everything they can to oppose appointment of a faithful Catholic.

They’re doing this Ford thing in order to bully Collins and Murkowski into opposing Kavanaugh and to keep Heitkamp and Manchin on the pro-abort side.
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This is interesting…

https://yournewswire.com/christine-blasey-ford-abortion-pills/
 
I think that the message that it is okay for a teenage boy to hold a girl down and cover her mouth so she cannot scream is a bigger problem . Let’s just believe the Prolife guy. This is why I sm having trouble with Christianity
. Not showing the Jesus I have believed in for my whole life
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HarryStotle said:
A more serious question is why people (your people) are so interested in sending the message to the young generally, that what really counts is the court of public opinion rather than the legitimate judicial process and the presumption of innocence?
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That isn’t the message that’s being sent, and there is no judicial process or presumption of innocence involved unless authorities charge Kavanaugh with a crime which isn’t going happen.
HarryStotle said:
Are you certain you want people like these making laws and running the country?
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Of course. Senator Hirono understands the Constitution and that a political body confirming a political appointment is a political process. Of course public opinion affects politics.
 
The message in all this, for me at least, is that widespread calumny is not ok. Presumption of guilt is not ok. Destroying an innocent man’s reputation is not ok. Doing it for political purposes is not ok. Delay and destruction is not ok.
 
John24 said:
On the topic of women and Kavanaugh:

Kavanaugh’s Yearbook Page Is ‘Horrible, Hurtful’ to a Woman It Named - The New York Times

It’s actually impressive how many of the “prep school jerk” boxes this guy managed to check.
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This is the part of the article that makes the most sense to me, buried way at the bottom. Must of missed the “prep school jerk” remark. Just more accusations without corroboration.

The Renate references “were intended to allude to innocent dates or dance partners and were generally known within the community of people involved for over 35 years.”

“These comments,” the statement continued, “were never controversial and did not impact ongoing relationships until The Times twisted and forced an untrue narrative.”

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Kmcicco2000 said:
I think that the message that it is okay for a teenage boy to hold a girl down and cover her mouth so she cannot scream is a bigger problem . Let’s just believe the Prolife guy. This is why I sm having trouble with Christianity
. Not showing the Jesus I have believed in for my whole life
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Funny, where are you reading that message? I haven’t seen it posted here.
 
Ridgerunner said:
But neither does the constitution state a right to abortion on demand.
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I had the privilege of hearing Justice Scalia speak on this at a men’s conference a few years ago. What I understood him to say was that Roe vs. Wade struck down laws that restricted abortion but no laws have been enacted that specifically allow abortion. He said that if Congress were to enact such a law it could be challenged and abortion could become illegal, so we will never see one.
 
People just need to wake up and realize the melodramatic tactics currently used by the Democratic party as borrowed from the Soviet Union and China. Trump still got through despite the 6 actresses that 3 weeks before the election claimed they were sexually harassed by him. This is such a staged routine it’s unreal at this point that anyone would fall for it. Trump may not be perfect but I’d sure rather put trust in his ideals than Hillary Clinton’s, as well as Kavanaugh’s ideals rather than any potential justices that Clinton would have nominated. This is just what I believe. If Kavanaugh doesn’t get in perhaps Amy Coney Barrett can.
 
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Kmcicco2000 said:
I think that the message that it is okay for a teenage boy to hold a girl down and cover her mouth so she cannot scream is a bigger problem . Let’s just believe the Prolife guy. This is why I sm having trouble with Christianity
. Not showing the Jesus I have believed in for my whole life
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Yeah, no. The “bigger problem,” as you say, is not whether it’s “okay” for a teenage boy to hold down a girl, etc., etc., but whether it really happened in the first place. Which is what you seem to be forgetting in your irresistible urge to jump on a conclusion and hold your hand over its mouth so it can’t be heard.

Not sure who the Jesus was that you have believed in your whole life, but Jesus is THE TRUTH, all of it.

And there is no one more pro-life than Jesus who is THE LIFE. So, I wouldn’t mock the pro-LIFE guy, thoughtlessly.

Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. (Prov 21:2)
 
John24 said:
That isn’t the message that’s being sent, and there is no judicial process or presumption of innocence involved unless authorities charge Kavanaugh with a crime which isn’t going happen.
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The authorities won’t charge Kavanaugh with a crime because there isn’t sufficient evidence to charge anyone with a crime, and Ford and her handlers know it, which is why they haven’t taken the allegations to the police in the jurisdiction where it occurred.

You don’t seem to understand that the foundation of the judicial process is the preponderance of evidence and guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

It is comments like yours that demonstrate why those you support should not be governing the country if we wish to maintain a civilized society.
John24 said:
Of course. Senator Hirono understands the Constitution and that a political body confirming a political appointment is a political process. Of course public opinion affects politics.
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Hirono may or may not understand the Constitution. She gives little evidence to sway our judgement either way. Mostly, she just ignores it, and there is some evidence that she wants to do away with it.

Public opinion should be formed by the truth, and the ability of the public to recognize the truth, and the idea that each individual is presumed innocent until actually proved guilty in a court of law.

And, no, Ford and her handlers do not want to take the case to court because it would be thrown out and they know it. They also know the FBI won’t investigate because it is not their jurisdiction. The demand is a charade, but you wouldn’t recognize it as such because your private opinion not only affects, but actually is driving, your politics.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
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The message in all this, for me at least, is that widespread calumny is not ok.
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The problem is figuring out who is engaging in calumny.
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What exactly has Kavanaugh said about Ford that could be construed as calumny? He doesn’t deny her story is true. He merely denies it was him in it.

The fact that Ford cannot substantiate her claims at all doesn’t rise (or sink) to the level of calumny, but if she is proven to be lying it definitely would be.
 
Kmcicco2000 said:
I think that the message that it is okay for a teenage boy to hold a girl down and cover her mouth so she cannot scream is a bigger problem . Let’s just believe the Prolife guy. This is why I sm having trouble with Christianity
. Not showing the Jesus I have believed in for my whole life
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This message doesn’t exist on the thread, it exists in your head only.
The USA legal system is founded on “innocent until proven guilty.”

The woman in this case has no credible evidence, the accusation is 3 decades old and involves a situation where memory might have been impaired due to drink or the passage of time.

While you’re thinking about Jesus, you might remember that he was falsely accused and wrongly convicted and punished by a group of political operatives, a point you seem to be ignoring.
 
In 1959 Norman Rockwell painted this picture of how women were treated in the jury room. Not much has changed, except the cigarettes.

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Have you actually been on a jury any time in the last 30 years? I think you’ll find they generally have a boatload of women on them now and the discussions do not always split along gender lines.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
In 1959 Norman Rockwell painted this picture of how women were treated in the jury room. Not much has changed, except the cigarettes.
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You mean the “I am woman and therefore I am right” depiction? Yeah, Rockwell got that right. 😏

Even you will have to admit the “I am right” part is just a tad more aggressive than passive these days.

 
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