Not hard to understand when you’re familiar with the poster.Unless you point out the post or thread, it’s a bit difficult to judge whether it’s weird or not. The example you gave is difficult to picture.
How are you defining ‘all I need is Jesus’ and why introduce it?It is not a bad thing. It is the greatest thing; however, one cannot be so prideful in thinking that all I need is Jesus, and don’t need anybody else.
Spiritual pride is not very beneficial to the soul.
As something like “I pray straight to the Source, and why would I have to ask someone below that Source.”How are you defining ‘all I need is Jesus’ and why introduce it?
Some items were removed from the forum and that is as it should be.Unless you point out the post or thread, it’s a bit difficult to judge whether it’s weird or not. The example you gave is difficult to picture.
If one is called to pray the Jesus prayer outside of public liturgy rather than the rosary is that wrong?As something like “I pray straight to the Source, and why would I have to ask someone below that Source.”
Absolutely there is nothing wrong with it. What is wrong about the spiritual pride is that one thinks all I need is Jesus and I don’t need Mary’s help.If one is called to pray the Jesus prayer outside of public liturgy rather than the rosary is that wrong?
And what has ‘spiritual pride’ have to do with it?
How are you defining Mary’s ‘help’ in context of what I have posted so far?Absolutely there is nothing wrong with it. What is wrong about the spiritual pride is that one thinks all I need is Jesus and I don’t need Mary’s help.
She’ll help you focus on Christ. She walks with you and helps you see His Passion. She was there til the end while many apostles left.How are you defining Mary’s ‘help’ in context of what I have posted so far?
And all that is true but your statement would seem to imply that Jesus is not sufficient for us.She’ll help you focus on Christ. She walks with you and helps you see His Passion. She was there til the end while many apostles left.
While being hung on the Cross, Jesus granted Her to all of us for the good reason.
All well and good but not the aim of the thread.It is my contention that Mary and all the saints, but especially Mary, by virtue of being closer to Christ. Can pray much better than I can, therefore I believe, and I think the teaching of the Church supports me in this, that when Mary or any of the other saints join their prayers to mine, those prayers are more efficacious.
To me, failing to seek the assistance of Mary and the saints is similar to a situation when you have a task to do and several people available to help you, but you insist on refusing the assistance they are offering.
Christ said that where two are three are gathered he is there.
If I pray with/through Mary, I automatically have two.
Finally, a devotion to Mary will lead you no where but to the feet of her Son. She could lead you nowhere else. From the beginning, she told the servants at the wedding, “Do whatever He tells you.”
What does it mean “Jesus is sufficient” for us?And all that is true but your statement would seem to imply that Jesus is not sufficient for us.
If one is called to prayer practices that do not focus on or include any of the saints - like the Jesus prayer - does that mean that person’s prayers are less effective?What does it mean “Jesus is sufficient” for us?
Does that mean you don’t need anybody else? It looks like we all are still relying on many different helps - one obvious reason is that we are here to ask and to share things. Another reason, we pray for each other, etc … We do need each others. In fact, one cannot say he doesn’t need the Church because Jesus is enough.
We are parts of Jesus’ Body. We cannot say I don’t need other parts.
Didn’t I answer this before? and I don’t think anybody here does not know. What exactly the purpose of this thread …really?If one is called to prayer practices that do not focus on or include any of the saints - like the Jesus prayer - does that mean that person’s prayers are less effective?
It’s obvious what the aim of the thread is, division.All well and good but not the aim of the thread.
I haven’t seen any thread where people say focusing on Christ is a bad thing. No Christian believes such a thing.It’s obvious what the aim of the thread is, division.