Keeping Other Pre-Vatican II Traditions

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Jordan,

Your list of traditions is admirable.

The “fish fridays” during Lent is still a requirement today; but pre Vatican II we abstained from eating meat on all Fridays throughout the year; which I still do.

Praying the Rosary is a wonderful devotion and I hope that you keep up the practice and the other traditions in your new life on your own.

:blessyou:
 
Thank you, Ljuba for hijacking this thread. 🙂

I went to confession one day and confessed to eating meat on Friday. The priest said it wasn’t a sin.

My problem is thinking of another penance to do. Usually, I have some event to attend which is why I am eating meat. Any suggestions?
There are lots of things that come to mind. You could avoid television, computer time (non-work related), resort to other forms of prayer like a holy hour, reading Scripture, saying a full rosary, divine mercy chaplet, avoiding noise like music, doing charitable work, or maybe if you have to eat meat at an event then maybe fasting with that meal as part of it. There are other things.
 
My list:
  • wearing a head covering (although I am not always consistent with this as much as I would like).
  • saying the Leonine prayers after Mass
  • meatless Fridays
  • observing the Ember days as days of fast, abstinence, prayer, and penance for an increase in religious vocations
  • we have always said grace before *and *after meals
And there are some Byzantine traditions that I follow as well:
  • Abstinence after the Feast of Saint Phillip through Christmas
  • The Great Fast
    Things that Catholics today should still be doing:
  • Stations of the Cross on Fridays. I can count on my two hands the number of people who show up for this. So sad.
 
I keep trying to not eat meat on Friday, but I always seem to forget. I really need to do something so that I remember. What do I do? I go to the EF. I wear a headcovering there. I have started praying the Divine Mercy Chaplet everyday. Once dh and I get our own place we plan on putting a holy water font in each room and by the front door, a crucifix in each room, a home shrine thing (not sure what to properly call it), and a Mary garden. We also gave our family a patron saint. We’ll probably get a statue of him also when we get our own place. Oh, and I just recently ordered scapulars for us.
 
Okay, I have a question about Fridays. My observations have been that Catholics eat fish on Friday. Since I am becoming one, do I have to do this or do I simply have to abstain from meat?

I don’t know that I could do fish that often. Does shrimp count?

Can I just eat PB&J instead of a burger?

:confused: :confused:
 
No Bryan, you don’t have to eat fish on days where you abstain from meat. P&J is fine. It’s good, on these days, to eat something simple.
 
What country are you from? Because the Episicopal Conference of the different countries can set their own guidelines based upon the Universal Church’s norms. In the United States the Catholic bishops issued the following pastoral letter:

]PASTORAL STATEMENT ON PENANCE AND ABSTINENCE - November 18, 1966
“Christ Died for Our Salvation on Friday”
19. Changing circumstances, including economic, dietary, and social elements, have made some of our people feel that the renunciation of the eating of meat is not always and for everyone the most effective means of practicing penance. Meat was once an exceptional form of food: now it is commonplace.
  1. Accordingly, since the spirit of penance primarily suggests that we discipline ourselves in that which we enjoy most, to many in our day abstinence from meat no longer implies penance, while renunciation of other things would be more penitential.
  2. For these and related reasons, the Catholic bishops of the United States, far from downgrading the traditional pentinential observance of Friday, and motivated precisely by the desire to give the spirit of penance greater vitality, especially on Fridays, the day that Jesus died, urge our Catholic people henceforth to be guided by the following norms.
  3. Friday itself remains a special day of pentinential observance throughtout the year, a time when those who seek perfection will be mindful of their personal sins and the sins of mankind which they are called upon to help expiate in union with Christ Crucified.
  4. Friday should be in each week something of what Lent is in the entire year. For this reason we urge all to prepare for that weekly Easter that comes with each Sunday by *freely *making of every Friday a day of self-denial and mortificiation in prayerful remembrance of the passion of Jesus Christ.
    **
  5. Among the works of voluntaryself-denial and personal penance which we especially commend to our people for the future observance of Friday, even though we hereby *terminate the traditional law of abstinence binding under pain of sin,*as the sole prescribed means of observing Friday, we give first place to abstinence from flesh meat.
    We do so in the hope that the Catholic community will ordinarily continue to abstain from meat by free choice as formerly we did in obedience to Church law. Our expectation is based on the following considerations:
    a. We shall thus freely and out of love for Christ Crucified show our solidarity with the generations of believers to whom this practice frequently became, especially in times of persecution and of great poverty, no mean evidence of fidelity to Christ and His Church.
    b. We shall thus also remind ourselves that as Christians, although immersed in this world and sharing its life, we must preserve a saving and necessary difference from the spirit of the world. Our deliberate, personal abstinence from meat, more especially because *no longer required by law,*will be an outward sign of inward spiritual values that we cherish.
  6. Every Catholic Christian understands that the fast and abstinence regulations admit of change, unlike the commandments and precepts of that unchanging divine moral law which the the church must today and always defend as immutable. That said, we emphasize that our people are henceforth *free from the obligation traditionally binding under pain of sin in what pertains to Friday observance, expect as noted above for Lent.*We stress this so that “no” scrupulosity will enter into examinations of conscience, confessions, or personal decisions on this point.
  7. Perhaps we should warn that those who decide to keep the Friday abstinence for reasons of personal piety and special love that they *may not pass judgment on tnhose who elect to substitute other pentinential observances.*Friday, please God will acquire among us other forms of pentinential witness which may become as much a part of the devout way of life in the the as Friday abstinence from meat…
  8. It would bring great glory to God and good to souls if Fridays found our people doing volunteer work in hospitals, visiting the sick, serving the needs of the aged and the lonely, instructing the young in the Faith, participating as Christians in community affairs, and meeting our obligations to our families, our friends, our neighbors, and our community including our parishes, with a special zeal born of the desire to add merit of penance to the other virtues exercised in good works born of living faith.
  9. In summary, let it not be said that by this action, implementing the spirit of renewal coming out of the Council, we have abolished Friday, repudiated the holy traditions of our fathers, or diminished the insistence of the Church on the fact of sin and the need for penance. Rather, let it be proved by the spirit in which we enter upon prayer and penance, not excluding fast and abstinence freely chosen, that these present decisions and recommendations of this conference of bishops will herald a new birth of loving faith and more profound pentinential conversion, by both of which we become one with Christ, mature sons of God, and servants of God’s people.
Finally I’m done. I don’t type as fast as others. Sorry
 
Okay, I have a question about Fridays. My observations have been that Catholics eat fish on Friday. Since I am becoming one, do I have to do this or do I simply have to abstain from meat?

I don’t know that I could do fish that often. Does shrimp count?

Can I just eat PB&J instead of a burger?

:confused: :confused:
Of course you don’t have to eat fish! What is important is:
  1. It’s not meat
  2. It’s not fancy
Fish is not considered meat because back in the day, it was a staple food for the poor. The Church thought it cruel to deny the poor what little food they had. Now days, fish can be extravagant. Lobster and king crab and shark and fancy tuna and the like don’t count. The point is to keep it both simple and meat free! Other than that you’re free to let your preferences run free!
 
No, you don’t have to eat fish and yes, shrimp counts. The idea is to do some sort of penance in remembrance of the day of the week that Our Lord died. As a matter of fact, I plan on having PB&J tonight myself.

Congratulations on your decision to become Catholic. God bless you!
 
No, you don’t have to eat fish and yes, shrimp counts. The idea is to do some sort of penance in remembrance of the day of the week that Our Lord died. As a matter of fact, I plan on having PB&J tonight myself.

Congratulations on your decision to become Catholic. God bless you!
Thanks to all who replied. While I have read much on Catholic theology it is the little things like this that I find myself stuck with memories/impressions from childhood that still get me.
 
During Lent we eat boiled crawfish on friday, it coinsides with the crawfish season perfectly. It’s hard here to do the food pennances here in south louisiana. Everything we do centers around food.

This year our “Halloween” All Saints Party fell on a friday. No hot dogs this year boys, only shrimp gumbo and crawfish fettichini!! oh and veggies!!
 
What I do now:
  • Have a home shrine
  • Cross myself when I pass a Catholic Church
  • Abstain from meat on all Fridays
  • Pray in Latin occasionally
  • Don’t pray the Luminous Mysteries (I just prefer the relationship between the 150 Ave’s and the 150 Psalms)
Unfortunately, I do not attend the EF right now, but I’d like to change that, as gas prices have gone down and I’ve changed jobs to ensure I have Sundays off. It means an hour drive there and back, but it’s very much worth it.

maryprayforme, the stations are only offered during Lent at my parish, but they’re a Lenten devotion I never miss. Are they offered every Friday at your parish?
 
A parish here offers stations every friday. Of course you could walk to 4 Catholic churches from my house. We drive 20 min for a Latin Mass. South Louisiana has so many Catholics that it is easy to find a church.
 
Does anyone fast on Ember Days? Did you abstain from meat on Christmas Eve? How long do you fast before receiving communion?
Yes, yes, and we observe the Pius XII three hour fast since our Mass is at 5 pm on Sunday evening.

As a family we do observe meatless Fridays and we also have worked our way up, adding one additional day per week each year, to a meatless Lent (and no sweets, either.) Oh how we all enjoy that Easter feast! 🙂
 
I have just recently started to attend the EF and I just love it. It started me to thinking about other traditions/rules that we had before V2.

Does anyone fast on Ember Days? Did you abstain from meat on Christmas Eve? How long do you fast before receiving communion?

I realize that we are not bound by these but am interested in learning if anyone does observe them.

Thanks.
three hours before communion.
 
my parents are very much traditional catholics. i try to follow fasting, but not always successful because i am a homeschool mother of 4 and hardly ever no what day it is. i was told growing up, no eating 3hrs before communion, fasting every friday and Christmas eve. this is only if you are healthy. you do not have to fast if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you need to follow a specific diet for medical reasons. also fasting can be used at anytime if you would like to make a sacrifice for someone in hopes for conversion, health, etc.
 
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