Kentucky Bishop on Denying Pelosi Communion: "We've Been Patient Enough"

[John_Grudzien]

It’s just too darn bad that people like her have the use of such a huge pulpit to put forth their sickening views. I just , sometimes, get awfully tired of swallowing long and hard at the antics of Catholics such as her and the Kennedy family. Sickens me to my very soul…makes it kind of hard to see Our Lord in them, though I probably should…but shouldn’t they be called out when they cross the line?

 

[JReducation]

It’s just too darn bad that people like her have the use of such a huge pulpit to put forth their sickening views. I just , sometimes, get awfully tired of swallowing long and hard at the antics of Catholics such as her and the Kennedy family. Sickens me to my very soul…makes it kind of hard to see Our Lord in them, though I probably should…but shouldn’t they be called out when they cross the line?

I believe that her bishop and she have had this conversation. Who knows how many times it may have happened. Obviously, she believes that her position is correct and that it’s consistent with what she understands Catholicism to be. It also obvious that she is mistaken.
The question remains for the rest of us, how do we respond in the presence of people who have such public exposure, whose understanding is mistaken and who have believed a lie? I have searched my own soul for many years on this same issue. I am convinced that we must love as Christ loved. We must have mercy, as Christ has mercy.

Today’s reading for Evening Prayer in the Liturgy of the Hours is very appropriate for your question, Rm 15:1-6. St. Paul reminds us of the importance of patience. The psalm-prayer after the first psalm says, “Teach us to come to the aid of the needy in a spirit of brotherly love, that we in turn may be received and strengthened by you.”

People who have bought into the lie of “choice” are very needy. They need us to come to them in a spirit of brotherly love. We must continuously pray not only for them, but for us. I find that it is often very easy for me to become frustrated with these folks and to feel less than fraternal. When I pray the Liturgy of the Hours and go to the Eucharist is helps me refocus. There is great power in liturgy, both the Liturgy of the Mass and the Hours. I strongly recommend it to everyone. It softens our hearts and strengthens our convictions.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[AnotherVoice]

I believe that her bishop and she have had this conversation. Who knows how many times it may have happened. Obviously, she believes that her position is correct and that it’s consistent with what she understands Catholicism to be.

I cannot believe that she thinks her support of abortion is consistent with any part of Catholicism. Ms. Pelosi is simply not that stupid. She has a political stance that attracts votes and that is what she values.

The lack of action by her bishop over the years turns her open denial of church teaching into a mockery of the church.

 

[JReducation]

I cannot believe that she thinks her support of abortion is consistent with any part of Catholicism. Ms. Pelosi is simply not that stupid. She has a political stance that attracts votes and that is what she values.

The lack of action by her bishop over the years turns her open denial of church teaching into a mockery of the church.

Wait a minute. Her bishop has called her in for meetings. This is public record, even she admitted this. The last time they met was just before Christmas. I can’t recall exactly when. But it was in the news that they were to meet. She was the one who reported what they spoke about. Obviously, she is not going to tell us everything that he said to her and he cannot tell us, because it’s against canon law to do reveal what you say in spiritual direction. But the have had straightfoward conversations about this.

She insists that she is not in conflict with the Church, because according to her, she is for a woman’s right to choose. Her argument is that even though abortion is morally wrong, the law cannot dictate what a person may or may not do.

We all know that this argument is rooted in a lie about what true freedom is. But unfortunately, there are many people who actually believe this argument about law. It’s very sad.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[JReducation]

Just a PS.

She also met with the Holy Father and never said what he told her either. Of course, he’s not going to tell us what he said either. But we don’t say that the Holy Father is “inactive” because he receives and speaks to all of these world leaders who are pro-choice. Some actually come out and say that they are pro-abortion.

The point is that even the Holy Father works quietly on this issue when dealing with individuals. He is very vocal when speaking globally. They are two different styles. You can be very vocal when you’re speaking to the masses, but you have to proceed differently when speaking to individuals. You can’t make public what you say to individuals.

The exception was Patrick Kennedy who was not too bright and publically attacked the bishops, thus opening the door for a public reply from his bishop. Ms. Pelosi has not made that mistake. Therefore, what happens between her and her bishop remains unknown to the rest of us.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[hugefeet]

as a non-catholic I can tell you the pedophile priest scandals lasting over 30 years severely wrecked the reputation of the Catholic Church in my circles.

The leadership of the CC needs to take a stand on this and many other issues and hold Catholics accountable for directly violating Church Dogma.

Nobody respects a Milquetoast who tries to appease everyone and stands for nothing.
Frankly at this point in time, most non-Catholics consider the CC to be little more than a social club with high sounding dogma and rituals that have no bearing on real life at all.

Certainly not any kind of moral leadership or representatives for the Lord.

 

[AnotherVoice]

The exception was Patrick Kennedy who was not too bright and publically attacked the bishops, thus opening the door for a public reply from his bishop. Ms. Pelosi has not made that mistake. Therefore, what happens between her and her bishop remains unknown to the rest of us.

I really don’t want to know what was said because whatever was said had no noticeable impact on public behavior. She will continue to push for laws that facilitate abortion. Perhaps after she looses re-election, which could be soon, she will then reconcile her views. But the damage will still be there, others will be left with a terrible legacy.

 

[JReducation]

I really don’t want to know what was said because whatever was said had no noticeable impact on public behavior. She will continue to push for laws that facilitate abortion. Perhaps after she looses re-election, which could be soon, she will then reconcile her views. But the damage will still be there, others will be left with a terrible legacy.

Yes and no. I believe that a lot will depend on how we look at our own faith. For me, what Ms. Pelosi believes is wrong. She is mistaken. Someone has sold her a lie and she purchased the package.

However, I have see the unborn. I have seen their parents. I have held many corpses of aborted children. I know what I saw and what I touched. I also know that parents who want to keep their children refer to them as “my baby” not “my fetus”. When they walk into one of the pregnancy centers where I serve, they ae filled with the joys, anxieties, fears and expectations of parenthood. These are not fake. They are real parental emotions. The best example that I have seen that affirms for me that the Church’s teaching on human life in the womb is true is the example of the expectant parent.

In addition, I do believe what Paul said in yesterday’s Liturgy of the Hours. If you go back into your breviary to Evening Prayer for Friday, Paul speaks about those of us who have a strong faith to be patient with those who have a weak faith and to be a source of strength for them. What Paul tells us is that there are always going to be people with weak faith. We can choose to let them drag us down or we can choose to be there to strengthen them. Those who follow the lead of someone with weak faith on this matter or any matter, do so of their own free will. They cannot blame the Pelosis and Kennedys of this world for their choices. They may have heard the messagae of the Kennedys and Pelosis, but they chose. Pelosi and Kennedy do not choose for anyone. Neither does the Church. There are both messages out there. People have to be held accountable for their choices, not blame the choice of one on the ill-begotten message of another. There are always going to be lies making their way through society. Today, they are lies about abortion. Tomorrow they will be lies about something else.

We need to approach this with a double barrel. We need to expose the lies, but we also need to stop believing that those poor souls out there who go with the lie are victims. They are not. They can find out the fact and make good choices.

All this being said, even if they make poor choices, they are still our brothers and siters.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[AnotherVoice]

However, I have see the unborn. I have seen their parents. I have held many corpses of aborted children. I know what I saw and what I touched. I also know that parents who want to keep their children refer to them as “my baby” not “my fetus”. When they walk into one of the pregnancy centers where I serve, they ae filled with the joys, anxieties, fears and expectations of parenthood. These are not fake. They are real parental emotions. The best example that I have seen that affirms for me that the Church’s teaching on human life in the womb is true is the example of the expectant parent.

God bless you!! I don’t think I could keep it together after holding an aborted baby. People would have to pick me up off the floor with a mop.

I hope your attitude is contagious.