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From (of all places), The Tablet:

Kenyan Cardinal John Njue has issued a strongly worded riposte to US President Barack Obama’s call for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Africa.

(snip)

“Let him forget and forget and forget … I think we need to act according to our own traditions and our faiths,” said Njue. "Those people who have already ruined their society … let them not become our teachers to tell us where to go."

Heh. These sound like some very sage words.
 
I notice none of the MSM carried this statement from the deputy president of Kenya:
Deputy President of Kenya William Ruto responded during Sunday Mass that Kenya is committed to the nuclear family as taught by the Scriptures.
“Those who believe in other things, that is their business,” Ruto said at St. Gabriel’s Catholic Church in Maili Kumi. “We believe in God.”
“This nation, the nation of Kenya,” he said, is “sovereign and God-fearing.”
The rebuke came as Obama announced Kenya and five other African nations would receive $7 billion to provide electricity to 20 million buildings. Kenya’s portion includes $70 million for Harith General Partners to provide wind energy.
“America has made tremendous contribution to Kenya’s well-being and we are very grateful and as a government we are ready to receive any help from America that will improve the lives of our people,” Ruto stated. “But for these other things we hear, it is none of our business as it goes against our customs and traditions.”
Slammed by a a hosting country’s vice president and a cardinal and the US press fails to say a word? Someday that water is going to get very heavy to carry.
 
Deputy President of Kenya William Ruto responded during Sunday Mass that Kenya is committed to the nuclear family as taught by the Scriptures.
i for one am very happy that the v.p. is committed to the truth .i pray that the impression that this quote leaves isn’t true ,no politician should be making any statements during Mass.this isn’t the venue,if true this is a serious liturgical abuse.
 
From (of all places), The Tablet:

Kenyan Cardinal John Njue has issued a strongly worded riposte to US President Barack Obama’s call for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Africa.

(snip)

“Let him forget and forget and forget … I think we need to act according to our own traditions and our faiths,” said Njue. "Those people who have already ruined their society … let them not become our teachers to tell us where to go."

Heh. These sound like some very sage words.
Sage words indeed.

DGB
 
i for one am very happy that the v.p. is committed to the truth .i pray that the impression that this quote leaves isn’t true ,no politician should be making any statements during Mass.this isn’t the venue,if true this is a serious liturgical abuse.
How is this political?
Deputy President of Kenya William Ruto responded during Sunday Mass that Kenya is committed to the nuclear family as taught by the Scriptures.
“Those who believe in other things, that is their business,” Ruto said at St. Gabriel’s Catholic Church in Maili Kumi. “We believe in God.”
It seems to me that a lot of politicians (Nancy Pelosi) are making religious teachings political.
 
President Obama to me = King Henry V111 who said he was now head of the Church in England, King Obama is saying he is making new rules, like Henry against God, against Bible teachings, and Church teachings. God did not say to two men or two women - go forth and multiply, because by there very nature they cannot, its an evil act. Was a man’s penis designed to go up another man’s back side ? No, we were instructed to go and multiply.
 
I clicked on the link… gave a rediect that actually didn’t load for me… here is the new link… not sure how long it will be good:

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From (of all places), The Tablet:

Kenyan Cardinal John Njue has issued a strongly worded riposte to US President Barack Obama’s call for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Africa.

(snip)

“Let him forget and forget and forget … I think we need to act according to our own traditions and our faiths,” said Njue. "Those people who have already ruined their society … let them not become our teachers to tell us where to go."

Heh. These sound like some very sage words.
 
Before we elevate Njue and Ruto to sainthood, and declare Kenya to be paradise on earth, let’s take another look at this country. First of all, while Ruto is saying that "This country…is a God-fearing nation”, Kenya teeters on a fence between being a republic and being a theocracy. While there are more Christians than Muslims (and more Protestants than Catholics), you can bet that the Suunis will not stand for anything less than a country run by Sharia law. In point of fact, part of Kenya’s court system is already run by Muslims for Muslims. It is no surprise then that homosexuality is not only taboo in Kenya, it is criminalized. Male homosexuals risk a prison term of 14-21 years. (Hello? Does anyone remember Oscar Wilde?) Female homosexuals are not mentioned in the Constitution, but there is a strong movement to imprison them also.

Here’s a nice little bit of info (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Kenya#cite_note-1) about homosexuals in Kenya:

“The governmental Kenya National Commission on Human Rights reported in April 2012 that,

‘LGBIs are discriminated, stigmatised and subjected to violence because of their sexual orientation. In cases where they need medical care, they suffer stigma perpetuated by health care providers who breach their privacy and confidentiality by exposing their sexual orientation to other colleagues at the facilities. The health care providers are not friendly and hardly understand their sexual and reproductive health needs. … LGBIs face physical harassment by members of public who mock and assault them for practicing “unnatural” sexual relations. In cases of assault by mob justice, the police often fail to come to their rescue. Upon arrest, police subject them to unnecessary body and house searches allegedly looking for evidence that could link them to other crimes. They are profiled as drug users, past prison convicts or individuals with track records of crimes. They often face arbitrary arrest, are often detained at the police stations, subjected to torture and unnecessary harassment by the police who extort money from them and are only released after bribing their way out. They also suffer sexual abuse from the arresting officers. … When their identities are discovered, LGBIs cannot seek employment or undertake other forms of business - for example running a kiosk. Sometimes, they have to keep relocating to different residential areas to hide their identity. … Further they are often evicted from their rental houses by neighbours and condemned for their orientation which is termed evil. In cases where they are not evicted …, they are not allowed to use common utilities in the residential compounds such as swimming pools. LGBIs are also unable to access spiritual nourishment from the society because they are labelled as evil and the teachings in places of worship interpret LGBI activities as unnatural and unacceptable.’”

Here’s this issue from another angle. As of 2011, the US gave Kenya $714 million in aid; not to mention that nice little chunk of change ($70 million) that we just gave Kenya for alternate energy sources. I think Ruto knows on which side his bread is buttered: “America has made tremendous contribution to Kenya’s well-being and we are very grateful and as a government we are ready to receive any help from America that will improve the lives of our people.” If Njue and Ruto are so anti–US, I say “Stop the gravy train!” For a country so rife with hatred, violence and corruption, they have a helluva lotta nerve throwing stones at us.

Hmmm. Looks like our American society isn’t so bad after all…:hmmm:
 
From (of all places), The Tablet:

Kenyan Cardinal John Njue has issued a strongly worded riposte to US President Barack Obama’s call for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Africa.

(snip)

“Let him forget and forget and forget … I think we need to act according to our own traditions and our faiths,” said Njue. "Those people who have already ruined their society … let them not become our teachers to tell us where to go."

Heh. These sound like some very sage words.
Thank you 🙂
 
Before we elevate Njue and Ruto to sainthood, and declare Kenya to be paradise on earth, let’s take another look at this country. First of all, while Ruto is saying that "This country…is a God-fearing nation”, Kenya teeters on a fence between being a republic and being a theocracy. While there are more Christians than Muslims (and more Protestants than Catholics), you can bet that the Suunis will not stand for anything less than a country run by Sharia law. In point of fact, part of Kenya’s court system is already run by Muslims for Muslims. It is no surprise then that homosexuality is not only taboo in Kenya, it is criminalized. Male homosexuals risk a prison term of 14-21 years. (Hello? Does anyone remember Oscar Wilde?) Female homosexuals are not mentioned in the Constitution, but there is a strong movement to imprison them also.

Here’s a nice little bit of info (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Kenya#cite_note-1) about homosexuals in Kenya:

“The governmental Kenya National Commission on Human Rights reported in April 2012 that,

‘LGBIs are discriminated, stigmatised and subjected to violence because of their sexual orientation. In cases where they need medical care, they suffer stigma perpetuated by health care providers who breach their privacy and confidentiality by exposing their sexual orientation to other colleagues at the facilities. The health care providers are not friendly and hardly understand their sexual and reproductive health needs. … LGBIs face physical harassment by members of public who mock and assault them for practicing “unnatural” sexual relations. In cases of assault by mob justice, the police often fail to come to their rescue. Upon arrest, police subject them to unnecessary body and house searches allegedly looking for evidence that could link them to other crimes. They are profiled as drug users, past prison convicts or individuals with track records of crimes. They often face arbitrary arrest, are often detained at the police stations, subjected to torture and unnecessary harassment by the police who extort money from them and are only released after bribing their way out. They also suffer sexual abuse from the arresting officers. … When their identities are discovered, LGBIs cannot seek employment or undertake other forms of business - for example running a kiosk. Sometimes, they have to keep relocating to different residential areas to hide their identity. … Further they are often evicted from their rental houses by neighbours and condemned for their orientation which is termed evil. In cases where they are not evicted …, they are not allowed to use common utilities in the residential compounds such as swimming pools. LGBIs are also unable to access spiritual nourishment from the society because they are labelled as evil and the teachings in places of worship interpret LGBI activities as unnatural and unacceptable.’”

Here’s this issue from another angle. As of 2011, the US gave Kenya $714 million in aid; not to mention that nice little chunk of change ($70 million) that we just gave Kenya for alternate energy sources. I think Ruto knows on which side his bread is buttered: “America has made tremendous contribution to Kenya’s well-being and we are very grateful and as a government we are ready to receive any help from America that will improve the lives of our people.” If Njue and Ruto are so anti–US, I say “Stop the gravy train!” For a country so rife with hatred, violence and corruption, they have a helluva lotta nerve throwing stones at us.

Hmmm. Looks like our American society isn’t so bad after all…:hmmm:
Yes, it is curious to see people embracing regimes like this and Russia over ONE issue. Just shows the dangers of that type of thought.
I agree with you. If we are so repugnant, then they certainly won’t want our help anymore.
 
Yes, it is curious to see people embracing regimes like this and Russia over ONE issue. Just shows the dangers of that type of thought.
I agree with you. If we are so repugnant, then they certainly won’t want our help anymore.
Dangers in accepting the Cardinals observations, what dangers?
 
Before we elevate Njue and Ruto to sainthood, and declare Kenya to be paradise on earth, let’s take another look at this country.
Nobody has said anything about Kenya being heaven on earth. People are just applauding their leaders for openly rejecting Obama’s ideas about homosexuality. You are completely twisting what other posters here were saying. So in your view, only western, developed countries matter, and the views of other people should be disregarded because they don’t meet your standards? That is a little bit bigoted, don’t you think?
 
They have different traditions in other parts of the world, such as tribal dancing, than we as Americans do or would tolerate.
Tribal dancing in general or tribal dancing at Mass.

If you mean at Mass, they don’t tolerate that there either.

I go to Tanzania pretty regularly. Our parish has a ‘sister parish’ there that we help out, and I am involved with several diocesan educational projects with the bishop of that diocese.

What you see at most is a rhythmic swaying and movement of feet that the choir uses to keep time

This is a video I took from the dedication Mass of the new parish church for our sister parish.

sdrv.ms/V2jAMg

Here is another example. Same parish, but on the following Sunday.

sdrv.ms/V2kIzG

Now we certainly got to experience tribal dance, but those are reserved for the outside of Mass at the welcome receptions we get. And even that happens outside of the church building
 
Yes, it is curious to see people embracing regimes like this and Russia over ONE issue. Just shows the dangers of that type of thought.
I agree with you. If we are so repugnant, then they certainly won’t want our help anymore.
If you fail to the see the drastic importance of this one particular issue, then you should take your blinders off.

“Let those who have the eyes to see, see.”

I, for one, am given hope by the powerful and healthy messages that Kenya is sending out to the world, and I think I could be happy living there, when my obligations to family here in the States are done. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to love and serve God in America, and as much as my heart aches for love of my country, I want nothing to do with it if it’s going to disregard God in the manner that it has.
 
From (of all places), The Tablet:

Kenyan Cardinal John Njue has issued a strongly worded riposte to US President Barack Obama’s call for the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Africa.

(snip)

“Let him forget and forget and forget … I think we need to act according to our own traditions and our faiths,” said Njue. "Those people who have already ruined their society … let them not become our teachers to tell us where to go."

Heh. These sound like some very sage words.
:clapping::clapping::clapping: Wise man indeed! Rob
 
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