Kepler Spacecraft Finds 2 Planets Sharing Same Orbit

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I just read this article and wanted to know if this or the rest of the article in any way contradicts Genesis?I

[If this dual-orbiting planet hypothesis gets confirmed, researchers suggest it would lend credence to a theory that our moon was created when a planet-sized object, sharing a similar orbit to Earth’s eons ago, possibly crashed into our home world.]

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I need to ask first. What exactly in your opinion contradicts Genesis in this case?
 
I need to ask first. What exactly in your opinion contradicts Genesis in this case?
I don’t know that it does, I’m just asking, becaue of the way it’s worded in Scripture
(Gen.1: 14-19) vs how the theory of the moon’s creation as is described in the article.
 
The Church’s position is that none of its teachings will conflict with science.

As Fr. Mitch Pacwa says, the Church can answer questions that science is incapable of answering.

Let’s slow down on “contradictions” with Genesis.

It seems that you’re jumping off on a couple questions with a couple rigid assumptions. There are a lot of threads which discuss all sorts of Genesis vs. science questions. This question has been beaten “to death” a lot of times.

We seem only to be dealing with your surprise and misunderstanding, not with a contradiction between Genesis and science.

Judaism, for example, calls the first five books of the Bible “Torah” which means “instruction.” It does not call it “history” or “science” and modern Jewish commentaries openly speculate where the creation “myths” in Genesis came from, because they analyze them from a lot of angles, including the history and literary aspects.
The question is unsettled. The Torah is intended to provide a basis for their (and our) faith.You cannot UNDERSTAND Genesis unless you read it, and the rest of the Bible, with FAITH.

In the New Testament, read 2 Timothy 3 : 16-17 where it says that all “scripture” at which time he was referring to the Old Testament, is “useful” for “teaching” or instruction. It’s the same understanding, and almost the same wording, as in Judaism.

You don’t have to go to the latest science report to find a contradiction in Genesis. If you read the SECOND account of creation which starts around Gen 2:4, you will find ANOTHER, CONFLICTING account of creation.

And, there are other remarks about creation scattered around the Bible.

So, the final score on this question is decided first by whether you read the Bible with faith. And, if you read it with faith, you will not be looking for 21st century scientific validation of everything in the Bible.

The Bible was written in scrolls (which we now call ‘books’) and it was originally intended to make sense to the people to whom it was first addressed. And, it is couched in language and images and terms that they would understand.

So, if you sooner or later discover that the first creation account has common elements to what is called the Gilgamesh myth of creation, you should not be totally surprised. It may be that the writer(s) of Genesis borrowed the imagery of that then-popular myth to state the truths that the Holy Spirit intended to be revealed, with, as it turns out, significant changes to unpack other truths about Judaism and Christianity.

The theory of evolution has itself been evolving as more evidence accumulates, such as broad DNA analyses of modern and ancient peoples are performed. The National Geographic Society does a great job of teaching a lot of science based on the observations of such things as mass extinctions on the earth. None of this conflicts with Church teaching, although it causes some people a lot of heartburn.

People across the spectrum of unbelief to full Catholic belief sift and sort the evidence according to the knowledge, intelligence, and inspiration that they have each been blessed with by God.
 
Crumpy,

I hate to be a wet blanket here but I disagree with your statement because you mislead people into thinking you are a spokesperson for science when you state that your faith is compatible with it.

I’m not going to go along with the view that your church’s teaching do not conflict with science.

Science is not found in the bible, never was never will be.
 
I just read this article and wanted to know if this or the rest of the article in any way contradicts Genesis?I

[If this dual-orbiting planet hypothesis gets confirmed, researchers suggest it would lend credence to a theory that our moon was created when a planet-sized object, sharing a similar orbit to Earth’s eons ago, possibly crashed into our home world.]

aolnews.com/2011/03/01/kepler-spacecraft-finds-2-planets-sharing-same-orbit/?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C204156
It does not conflict with Genesis any more that plenty of other things science confirms, like the fact that the Earth was not originally covered with water before dry land appeared, and that grass and trees did not exist before the sun and moon were set in the firmament. If we can accept that trees did not come into existence in 24 hours, on the day before the sun and moon came into existence, then surely we can accept that the moon was formed when a Mars-sized protoplanet smashed into the Earth. If we wanted to stick to a literal interpretation of Genesis (which the Church does not ask us to do), then we might as well never read anything about geology, astrology, cosmology, or any other scientific field that touches on the origins of things. (Are atoms and molecules even Biblical?)

If you can find Pope Benedict’s short book In the Beginning, it is very readable and deals with a number of these issues. He says, in part:
Do these words, then, count for anything? In fact a theologian said not long ago that creation has now become an “unreal” concept; that if one is to be intellectually honest one ought to speak no longer of creation but rather of “mutation and selection.” Are these words true? . . .

One answer was already worked out some time ago, as the scientific view of the world was gradually crystallizing; many of you probably came across it in your religious instruction. It says that the Bible is not a natural science textbook, nor does it intend to be such. It is a religious book, and consequently one cannot obtain information about the natural sciences from it. One cannot get from it a scientific explanation of how the world arose; one can only glean religious experience from it. Anything else is an image and a way of describing things whose aim is to make profound realities graspable to human beings. One must distinguish between the form of portrayal and the content that is portrayed. The form would have been chosen from what was understandable at the time – from the images which surrounded the people who lived then, which they used in speaking and in thinking, and thanks to which they were able to understand the greater realities. And only the reality that shines through these images would be what was intended and what was truly enduring. Thus Scripture would not wish to inform us about how the different species of plant life gradually appeared or how the sun and the moon and the stars were established. Its purpose ultimately would be to say one thing: God created the world.
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But this does not imply that the individual passages of the Bible sink into meaninglessness and that this bare extract alone has any value. They, too, express the truth – in another way, to be sure, than is the case in physics and biology. They represent truth in the way that symbols do – just ask, for example, a Gothic window gives us a deep insight into reality, thanks to the effects of light that it produces and to the figures that it portrays.

I would like to seize upon two elements here. The first is that the biblical creation account is marked by numbers that reproduce not the mathematical structure of the universe but the inner design of its fabric, so to say, or rather the idea according to which it was constructed.
You can read some further excerpts here. I am inclined to agree that the Bible was not intended to serve as a technical treatise on the geology and prehistory of the Earth.
 
I don’t believe that the story of our world, or our eternal life, if affected at all by what MAY have happened elsewhere.

We will understand the story of the stars much better when we see them reflected in our LORD’s eyes:)🙂

ICXC NIKA.
 
I don’t believe that the story of our world, or our eternal life, if affected at all by what MAY have happened elsewhere.

We will understand the story of the stars much better when we see them reflected in our LORD’s eyes:)🙂

ICXC NIKA.
We need better eyes than we have. The octopus has better eyes than we do.😉
 
We need better eyes than we have. The octopus has better eyes than we do.😉
Well, the Church does say that its teachings are and do not conflict with the discoveries of science.

Benedict XVI’s book takes the long route of explaining the Church’s position and I took the shorter route based on the Jewish and Christian teaching about the intepretation of scripture. The answer to the OP questions must include a statement on how scripture is interpreted.

In his book Crossing the Threshold of Hope, Blessed John Paul II asserted that people reject the teaching of the Church because they reject how God has revealed his truth to us. My previous post is simply expanding on his writing.

An agnostic or atheist is going to trip up very quickly, when reading the Bible,because he/she is going to find something that is too hard to swallow, and perhaps starting right there on Genesis 1:1. There is no surprise in this. As soon as the sacred text says “God” they’re out of here.

It doesn’t make a difference if the earth was made from the collision of two rocks or if it hatched from an egg that was flying around (the Egyptian theory of antiquity). As soon as the text says “God” they will be finished reading.

There is no news in any of this.

GK Chesterton said that an atheist is somebody who doesn’t believe in the existence of God, but he didn’t believe in the existence of atheists. Sorry to throw a wet blanket on atheists and agnostics.
 
GK Chesterton said that an atheist is somebody who doesn’t believe in the existence of God, but he didn’t believe in the existence of atheists. Sorry to throw a wet blanket on atheists and agnostics.
I’m neither, thankyouverymuch. 😉
 
It does not conflict with Genesis any more that plenty of other things science confirms, like the fact that the Earth was not originally covered with water before dry land appeared, and that grass and trees did not exist before the sun and moon were set in the firmament. If we can accept that trees did not come into existence in 24 hours, on the day before the sun and moon came into existence, then surely we can accept that the moon was formed when a Mars-sized protoplanet smashed into the Earth. If we wanted to stick to a literal interpretation of Genesis (which the Church does not ask us to do), then we might as well never read anything about geology, astrology, cosmology, or any other scientific field that touches on the origins of things. (Are atoms and molecules even Biblical?)
I’m sittting here wondering how fundamentalists deal with all of this. I guess they try to avoid TV and reading anything that might contain scientific articles.
 
So basically the answer to my question is that scientific discoveries, such as what is in the link I posted, doesn’t conflict with the Bible because the Bible isn’t meant to be read as how the earth and universe was formed but why, and that God did it all. Correct?
 
Einstein when asked- “Is there a god?” He said there has to be!

Nitpicking over what is in the Bible is fruitless- The whole of the Bible can be condensed into Jesus’s words which are from the Old T - Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

If it took Jesus to bring you to this realization or if you were taught it by being Jewish it doesn’t matter- I have studied what other “philosophies” say -Buddism ,Confuscis, Shinto… etc. The above statement is the only way the world will survive

einstein when asked
 
Einstein when asked- “Is there a god?” He said there has to be!

Nitpicking over what is in the Bible is fruitless- The whole of the Bible can be condensed into Jesus’s words which are from the Old T - Love the Lord God with all your heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbor as yourself.

If it took Jesus to bring you to this realization or if you were taught it by being Jewish it doesn’t matter- I have studied what other “philosophies” say -Buddism ,Confuscis, Shinto… etc. The above statement is the only way the world will survive

einstein when asked
Can you cite that quote and in full context?
 
Crumpy,

I hate to be a wet blanket here but I disagree with your statement because you mislead people into thinking you are a spokesperson for science when you state that your faith is compatible with it.

**I’m not going to go along with the view that your church’s teaching do not conflict with science. **

Science is not found in the bible, never was never will be.
Out of curiosity what Catholic Church teachings conflict with science?
 
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