Kept out: School discourages gay, transgender enrollment

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jtauke said:
The better question is how do you expect these children that would be excluded to receive a proper religious education?

You and this school would turn them out to their life of "sin, rather than teach them christian values in the hopes that it would change them.
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The children will presumably have a religious education in the school which teaches Christian morality, including such things as that sex is reserved for marriage, that marriage can only be between a man and a woman, that sex of any kind outside of marriage is wrong, that one must not act on illicit sexual temptations.

The problem might arise if what they are being taught in school conflicts with what they are being taught at home. Would the school then be subject to a lawsuit? It would be a similar situation if their parents are cohabiting but unmarried; the school’s teaching could raise a discordance in the mind of the student. Or if the parents are active drug dealers while the school is teaching that dealing in drugs is wrong.

Ultimately, it is a conflict between the State religion as administered by the Department of Education, and the school’s religion, upon which it was founded.
 
Memaw said:
And the federal government. would probably make a rule against that too. Just because fed. govt. helps with the lunch program why in the world would that all of a sudden include the bathrooms??? God Bless, Memaw
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Tracking the results of the lunch programs? 😃
 
JimG said:
The children will presumably have a religious education in the school which teaches Christian morality, including such things as that sex is reserved for marriage, that marriage can only be between a man and a woman, that sex of any kind outside of marriage is wrong, that one must not act on illicit sexual temptations.

The problem might arise if what they are being taught in school conflicts with what they are being taught at home. Would the school then be subject to a lawsuit? It would be a similar situation if their parents are cohabiting but unmarried; the school’s teaching could raise a discordance in the mind of the student. Or if the parents are active drug dealers while the school is teaching that dealing in drugs is wrong.

Ultimately, it is a conflict between the State religion as administered by the Department of Education, and the school’s religion, upon which it was founded.
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So you’d expel the student to avoid a lawsuit, rather than buck up and teach them? Probably forever turning them away from christianity in the process.
 
Thorolfr said:
It might be known that a student is homosexual because they don’t hide that fact from others. But this doesn’t mean that they are engaging in sexual activity. And a homosexual student is probably attending a religious school because that is where they were enrolled by their parents who want their children to attend such a school. How many underage students have much say in where they go to school?
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If the kid is in a Lutheran school and has been there since he was younger, he must certainly know, by the time he is in middle or high school, what his religion teaches about homosexual behavior. It would be prudent of him to hide his feelings. Why would he want to announce his feelings in this environment? He is under the gun to curtail his sexuality as much as any underage heterosexual. He/she is to be modest and chaste.
 
Memaw said:
And the federal government. would probably make a rule against that too. Just because fed. govt. helps with the lunch program why in the world would that all of a sudden include the bathrooms??? God Bless, Memaw
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I was referring to the feds ruling regarding people picking their public bathroom facility on the basis that they are transgender or feel that they are of a different gender than their body indicates. This is a BIG discussion in N. Carolina right now and Tennessee is getting ready to do battle too. This happened because federal money is involved. So once you dance with the devil, be prepared to pay.
 
aicirt said:
In order to accommodate the poorer child, the school is now forced to drop its beliefs that homosexuality is wrong thereby changing the very core of its beliefs that there is such a thing as sin and sin keeps you from God’s grace. This is the reason why people send their children to parochial schools. This is the reason why the schools have scholarships to embrace the poorer kids so that they too may have a religious base. But when the government insists on its way, all this changes and the choice of having a religious education ceases.

Explain to me why a parent of a child dealing with his/her sexual identity problem would even want to send that child to a school knowing this?
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I agree with you 100%. They just want to push their agenda and cause trouble. If they were truly Catholic, they would know that that in itself is wrong! God Bless, Memaw
 
jtauke said:
So you’d expel the student to avoid a lawsuit, rather than buck up and teach them? Probably forever turning them away from christianity in the process.
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No, I wouldn’t. But if I’m teaching them something that goes against the personal beliefs of their parents, the parents might wish to remove them. In any case, I wouldn’t allow a conflict between parental or student beliefs and the beliefs upon which the school is founded, to become a stumbling block to the education of the rest of the students.
 
JimG said:
No, I wouldn’t. But if I’m teaching them something that goes against the personal beliefs of their parents, the parents might wish to remove them. In any case, I wouldn’t allow a conflict between parental or student beliefs and the beliefs upon which the school is founded, to become a stumbling block to the education of the rest of the students.
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You wouldn’t allow a conflict? So that means removal of the child from the school, correct?
 
jtauke said:
You wouldn’t allow a conflict? So that means removal of the child from the school, correct?
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Possibly. I don’t have direct experience as an educator so I can’t say what the options would be. I do have a relative who teaches in an urban public school. She is near retirement, but she says that every day is like a war zone in a third world nation. That kind of conflict is never good for education.
 
JimG said:
Possibly. I don’t have direct experience as an educator so I can’t say what the options would be. I do have a relative who teaches in an urban public school. She is near retirement, but she says that every day is like a war zone in a third world nation. That kind of conflict is never good for education.
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The solution can’t be to simply give up on shaping a child’s point of view. Say a Catholic school, which teaches the objective truth, expels a child because of their parents or sexual orientation, what is gained?

All that’s done is that the child now has no source of objective truth.
 
jtauke said:
The solution can’t be to simply give up on shaping a child’s point of view. Say a Catholic school, which teaches the objective truth, expels a child because of their parents or sexual orientation, what is gained?

All that’s done is that the child now has no source of objective truth.
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If a child is living with same sex parents, he is going to be taught that his parent’s lifestyle is wrong. Why would a parent wish to put that sort of cognitive dissonance on a child, except to prove a point? And if the parents agree with the teaching and are chaste, they would likely assure the school that they will be supporting the school’s moral teaching. The other danger is that the other students know that Johnny’s parents are living a homosexual lifestyle, and it must be okay, because he’s in a Catholic school.
 
JimG said:
If a child is living with same sex parents, he is going to be taught that his parent’s lifestyle is wrong. Why would a parent wish to put that sort of cognitive dissonance on a child, except to prove a point? And if the parents agree with the teaching and are chaste, they would likely assure the school that they will be supporting the school’s moral teaching. The other danger is that the other students know that Johnny’s parents are living a homosexual lifestyle, and it must be okay, because he’s in a Catholic school.
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So we’re back to punishing a child for the sins of the father. How very old testament.
 
jtauke said:
So we’re back to punishing a child for the sins of the father. How very old testament.
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No, the parents are punishing the child for the sins of the parents. It’s fine for a child in such a situation to attend a Catholic school as far as I’m concerned, as long as the parents understand that their child will be taught Catholic doctrine.

I can imagine a class on sexual morality in which some other kid raises his hand and says, “Well, what about Johnny’s parents?” Now, all of a sudden we’ve made Johnny the focus of the class. I doubt that he will appreciate it. But if that’s what the parent’s want, let them convince the principal that it’s not going to be a problem.
 
jtauke said:
The better question is how do you expect these children that would be excluded to receive a proper religious education?

You and this school would turn them out to their life of "sin, rather than teach them christian values in the hopes that it would change them.
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This is my position. Sending children out because they ARE homosexual eliminates the possibility of encouraging them to lead a Christian life, and if indeed they are homosexual, a chaste life.

Jon
 
aicirt said:
Every time an institution accepts money from the federal government, it is opening itself to being dictated by that government. Religious institutions need to carry on without its help. Unfortunate but necessary.
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I don’t think that we should accept the morality that the government takes money off everyone and then can dictate a godless morality to all. This is unjust.

The government is of the people and paid for by the peoples money. It needs to co-operate with the morality of the people, not dictate to the people under the religion of political correctness.

It needs to work with Jewish communities, Christian communities, secular communities etc.

What we have now is one community, the secular community, dictating its religion to everyone else.

That is not acceptable.
 
abucs said:
I don’t think that we should accept the morality that the government takes money off everyone and then can dictate a godless morality to all. This is unjust.

The government is of the people and paid for by the peoples money. It needs to co-operate with the morality of the people, not dictate to the people under the religion of political correctness.

It needs to work with Jewish communities, Christian communities, secular communities etc.

What we have now is one community, the secular community, dictating its religion to everyone else.

That is not acceptable.
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Yes, it is. I agree with what you wrote. But religious institutions must be coizgnant of the fact that if they take the money, they might have to pay the piper. So they need to be prepared to refuse the money and go it alone.
 
aicirt said:
Yes, it is. I agree with what you wrote. But religious institutions must be coizgnant of the fact that if they take the money, they might have to pay the piper. So they need to be prepared to refuse the money and go it alone.
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Whose money is the government doling out? It is the money it has received from the people who are entitled to an equal share of it back from the government. If the government is paying for lunches of students, then students who qualify should receive a fair share, irrespective of their religious beliefs, which the government should remain out of completely. The problem, it would seem, is that some iterations of the government want to entangle themselves in proposing and endorsing what amount to religious beliefs and are attempting to unfairly penalize people who don’t share them, contrary to the constitution forbidding the establishment of a religion by the government.
 
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