Key Iran General Soleimani killed in Iraq: reports - BBC

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For the record, I don’t know if I believe this or not. Former Senator Joseph Lieberman would comment on it and I think one of the posts alluded to this situation but a US judge did find Iran liable in part for 911, I’ve never taken that civil court action that seriously but it did happen.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/judge-iran-pay-6bn-victims-911-attacks-180501120240366.html

Just saying, we are talking about “terrorism”, I don’t think the common people are involved but for instance, Hezbollah is largely acknowledged and classified as a terror group and Iran supports them a lot. And they and Hamas appear to fire missiles into Israel fairly often.

I don’t want to get too bogged down on this topic, I’ve mostly had my say. I may mainly just lurk here, I’ve said about all I need to.
 
niceatheist said:
I’m not clear how Khamenei is in th corner.
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I wouldn’t say he’s in the corner, but from a PR/justification perspective, they are on the ropes.

Attacking the US Embassy was a misstep and provided ample justification that was not there with the attacks on tankers, contractors or even the Aramco facility.
 
“After the invasion of Iraq, the US favored the Shiites over the Sunnis.”

Could be… but lots of changes have gone down since then wrt Iraq/Iran relationships

Especially since 2010 when “Syria” became an issue …
 
“After the invasion of Iraq, the US favored the Shiites over the Sunnis.”
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Unfortunately, that seems to be “conventional” wisdom, that the Shiites were favored, the President (Maliki?) that came in was a Shiite. I think Ridge knows this situation better than I would at least. A power vacuum left but by 2011 or 12, the country did become somewhat stable.
 
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Theo520 said:
I’m sincerely embarrassed by the teaspoon intellect depth of our Hollywood elite
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Poor example though.
McGowan is a third rate actress with a career that is best known through the game trivial pursuit.
Hardly elite.
 
A NYT opinion piece, with no evidence. I have to laugh at the article saying Iran wasn’t named in the 9/11 report or as facilitating the terrorists and basing their opinion Pence lied on that, since he never claimed facilitation with the terrorist to begin with.

General Petraeus on Soleimani: “This much more substantial than the killing of Osama bin Laden. It’s even more substantial than the killing of Baghdadi.”

 
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Are you referring to Iran’s stated aim of destroying Israel? In the present conflict in the Middle East, that is the sole instance of one nation state seeking to annihilate another, in that sense.
 
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That doesn’t change my premise, we did not invade Iran.
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Killing a leader of a foreign government is an act of war. Trump killed both Iranian and Iraqi officials.
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Some would say Shia militias helped precipitate the coming of ISIS with their brutality.
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I believe this to be true. However, it does not change the fact that both Iran and the US were crucial in defeating ISIS, and both were welcomed into Iraq for this purpose.
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Fine, if all you have is always comparing Iran to the US fine.
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Thank you. Yes, in the very act of preemptive war we do more to violate moral law than those who plan attacks.
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Iraq was largely pacified by 2011.
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“Pacified” is not freedom from persecution. The Sunni population was suffering, as you earlier noted.

It is not enough to pray for peace. We need to pray for healing, forgiveness, and ultimately reconciliation. It will not come soon, but this should be our focus, not war.
 
Down to the story, if Soleimani was planning an attack and some venues said it would have been a “big” attack, can they prove it? This is what Chris Hayes, MSNBC has discussed:

www.newsweek.com

Chris Hayes Wants Trump to Release Proof That Iran Was Planning an Attack

Declaring that President Trump "lies about everything all the time," MSNBC host Chris Hayes says that he wants proof that Iranian General Qassem Soleimani was planning an attack on American forces in the region.
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I may not even care for some things he has said in the past, I know I don’t… but this might be a valid point actually . Is there anyway this “planning an attack” could be confirmed. And if it were confirmed, well, then, what would people think? Soleimani was too careless flying into Baghdad, he was vulnerable. This has already been touched on. A lot of world leaders need security.
 
I hope everyone on these threads that are expressing sympathy for, and taking side with Iran are not forgetting the sacrifice of our fallen military who throughout our history have given their lives to defend our freedoms.

One of which is the freedom to voice such opinions that do not lend support to your own country. And to do so without fear of reprisal from your government.

Compare your President to this guy.

 
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