As well I do too.
But given the appeals to emotion instead of facts in the commercial, I am left thinking none of the problems they list are nearly as big an issue as the commercial would have us believe.
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But given the appeals to emotion instead of facts in the commercial, I am left thinking none of the problems they list are nearly as big an issue as the commercial would have us believe.
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bigfootbob
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Ah, yes. As Marfran is fond of saying, “run if it has legs, fly if it has wings, swim if it has fins.” …Hunt if it was bred to hunt.
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severus68
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The name retriever refers to retrieving not hunting. What is your statement supposed to mean since this thread is about humans killing/hunting for sport?Ah, yes. As Marfran is fond of saying, “run if it has legs, fly if it has wings, swim if it has fins.” …Hunt if it was bred to hunt.
Mary_Gail_36
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“Retriever” does refer to hunting. They retrieve what was shot by the hunter. The other hunting type dogs are “pointers”. They find the prey for the hunter.
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severus68
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I was responding to a post about hunting because they are bred to hunt. Retrievers and pointers do not hunt, they retrieve and point for the human hunters. Since this is a thread about humans killing/hunting for sport, who are bred to hunt?
Mary_Gail_36
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Dogs descend from wolves… and actually not very different genetically, they can produce offspring together. Since dogs are carnivores, I don’t think we bred them to hunt. That is innate in the wolf…they are really great hunters. We probably bred the loyalty to humans into them, while keeping their hunting instinct.
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4elise
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Well… she is a mut - not bred - but does love to retrieve the toy! (note - black retriever not black hunter!Ah, yes. As Marfran is fond of saying, “run if it has legs, fly if it has wings, swim if it has fins.” …Hunt if it was bred to hunt.
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4elise
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I think that was just a joke about my dog who wanted to play yesterday…
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4elise
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Because they appeal to emotion you doubt the veracity of their claim to the need?
I think this is a common tool given the 60 seconds of a commercial - i.e. Christian Children Fund, etc. - they don’t have time in the 60 seconds to lay out the need in great detail, and engender support.
HSUS is great about trying to stop puppy mills, and couldn’t do it without the financial support of the public.
Blessings,
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pnewton
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IT WAS A JOKE.
Humor is not only allowed, but helpful.
Humor is not only allowed, but helpful.
Correct.
I have found more often then not an appeal to emotion in an argument is simply a mask for having little fact to back the claims.
The stronger the appeal to emotion, the less fact there seems to be.
The commercials being discussed are the strongest appeals to emotion I have seen in a very long time, and thus I doubt them.
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severus68
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Actually dogs can live rather well being vegetarian.There is a lot of vegetarian dog food on the market. I have had dogs all my and none of them wereare inclined to hunt.
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bigfootbob
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How much more does that stuff cost? Do you feed it to your dog(s)? By the way, it is supposedly healthier to eat dog food then what most americans eat.
Maybe I shouldn’t wander so much from the original topic…
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JaneGrey
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I dont follow how the more emotion there is appealed to the less fact. People can know all the facts of something and not feel inclined to do anything at all unless a personal experience of theirs i.e. emotion is recalled.
I really wanted to avoid bringing abortion stuff into this but just an example (not that i think or anyone else should think abortion debate and animal rights are interconnected) many pro-choice people think that photographs of mutilated babies and written/verbal testaments shamelessly appeal to emotion. Ive heard them say nearly the exact same thing you have said above. However their argument does not make them right, its just a sign i think that they misunderstand where pro-life people come from.
I think many who are unconcerned with animal rights similarly mistake those of us who take an interest that we are trying to make others feel guilty. However, appealing to emotion does work at times. Some people need more facts, others need to be reached out to through feelings.
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4elise
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I’m not familiar with this correlation - can you give an example so I can better understand what you are comparing this to?
I am sure that the reason that they do fundraising this way is because it is most effective… a 60 second listing facts could also be accused of trying to use emotionalism - - given the web site they can give those interested in learning more - more of the facts, hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/
This summer we had a priest come to speak about the missions - he told stories of individuals in Malawi who were in need of assistance, he told stories of individuals because it helped him raise money for the missions, some of the stories were very sad, and could be said to be trying to appeal to emotionalism, but I certainly don’t doubt the need.
Blessings,
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4elise
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Our lab mut is also been raised on vegetarian food - carrots and avacados are treats.
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4elise
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Always a challenge from the key board! But… I knew it and Magie appreciated it!
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bigfootbob
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Not everyone is laughing I guess. Is this my joke we’re talking about?Always a challenge from the key board! But… I knew it and Magie appreciated it!
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severus68
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Why do you asssume it costs more? If you cook it yourself, its brown rice, lentils and veggies, maybe some plain yoghurt. One of the healthiest diets in the world, for humans too. Yes, we are digressing.How much more does that stuff cost? Do you feed it to your dog(s)? By the way, it is supposedly healthier to eat dog food then what most americans eat.
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