Killing Animals for "Sport"

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People have rights because they are made in the image and likeness of God; animals are not made in the image and likeness of God.
We are made in the image and likeness of God, therefore we behave like the animals who are not made in the image of God. ??? We lurk in the bushes to kill them (the animals), then cut off their heads to hang on our wall, and boast about our “prowess.” God is compassion, love, and mercy. Should we not seek to be the same?

I know that there are hunters on this thread who strive to be humane. My issue is with folks who regard animals as commodities, and express zero compassion, and even enjoy killing animals. People who have disregard for animals and their suffering, often have disregard for their fellow man as well.
 
My issue is with folks who regard animals as commodities, and express zero compassion, and even enjoy killing animals. People who have disregard for animals and their suffering, often have disregard for their fellow man as well.
A commodity by definition fulfills a need.
 
We are made in the image and likeness of God, therefore we behave like the animals who are not made in the image of God. ??? We lurk in the bushes to kill them (the animals), then cut off their heads to hang on our wall, and boast about our “prowess.” God is compassion, love, and mercy. Should we not seek to be the same?
I don’t think our attitude towards animals should be leveled with how we treat men, it’s comparing two different creatures. It’s a little dangerous even to compare One that has an immortal soul over others that are just material. I don’t think we should get caught up in worrying about the animals reflecting our compassion. If a compassionate person treats their fellow man with love for God’s sake, it ultimately carries over with his heart and attitude towards animals.
Your suggestive post is a case of judging a person’s heart based on their individual habits, and possibly coming to an incorrect conclusion. Be wary of this. For instance, I remember one of my local parish priests would joke–very nice humble guy, he joked to congregants during a digression about how he’d hunt these birds for fun, and he said he was asked, “But Father, how can you hunt these birds, you’re a priest?” and he said “Easy” and started miming how he hunts them. To their laughter.

I liked how he was honest and forthright about his pastime. And changed my view on sport hunters somewhat.
Ultimately, yes hunting for sport abundantly appears a bit cruel for others, but we don’t know if the hunter also is appreciating humanely his use for them, either. People have less problem when people put fish on their walls, but when it comes to larger animals, then they start judging the hunters?
My issue is with folks who regard animals as commodities, and express zero compassion, and even enjoy killing animals.
While I don’t prefer hunting for myself…I don’t agree about people disregarding animals…if it’s necessary to use animals for our benefit, I see no problem with humans doing that. If they are just being unnecessarily destructive in said use, then yes I may have one-- but I don’t think the use of animals or disregard for them in their “ends” necessarily equates with that reflecting a man’s compassion. A person may “show” zero compassion. But, So what? You still don’t know their heart.
We have to remember we have dominion over animals, and they are of use to us.
When I see people objecting to our use of animals for medicines, subsistence, and the excessive emphasis on an animals well being at the risk of OUR OWN lives and survival, THAT’S when I have a problem. We are living and healthier today because of our use of animals as commodities.

I’ll give you examples and whether one thinks this is righteous:
Now, it’s okay, to defend animals, in the case of Michael Vick. But is it okay to judge person who was indifferent, who didn’t really cry over the loss of say, 20 baby seals? Because the didn’t react to the news the same way if humans were the ones massacred?
That’s why I think there is trouble when one starts to focus too much on the plight of animals. They are beautiful creatures, but they are something that can cause one to lose sight of priorities, and God’s intentions for man’s well being.
Another example, it is just plain stupid for people to go and risk their lives for a random stray dog, at the peril and endangerment of their own life. I think that is stupid. It’s not compassionate, it’s not God’s will. It’s just negligent and reckless. True story (this was in the news), two parents drowned trying to wade in a river to save a random dog, leaving their child in the carriage an orphan.

Another instance, I think it would be stupid for a person to judge me, if I didn’t object to a policy that needed to protect humans, at the expense of competitor animals. Conversely, there was a law that passed this past year, that would impact farmers financially, because hippies wanted Egg Producing Chickens to have larger free range ‘living quarters’ instead of cages. That law passed, while parental notice of abortion did not pass in California. That’s how stupid I think people can get when concerning moral priorities. Like these public hollywood hypocrites villify hunters while voting pro-choice every time and not wincing about infanticide.

When push comes to shove and I see animal rights attitudes superceding the rights of humans? I get angry. Our concern for animals should NEVER be at the expense of human well being.

Yes, we should defend animals from excessive cruelty and mistreatment for their intended purposes, but we should also remember how God and his followers in the Old Testament sacrificed animals all the time, and the very instance of when God substituted a ram, in place of Isaac, was an example of our priority OVER animals not at the level. Another example, Jesus fully man and fully God, with no hesitation–used a herd of swine for the sake of a possessed man’s well being, the pigs not only suffered they had to be inhabited by a bunch of jerk demons over the cliff!
People who have disregard for animals and their suffering, often have disregard for their fellow man as well.
Rather, people who have excessive regard for animals, often may not have regard for their fellow man!

If a man is compassionate to his fellow man, then his attitude towards animals won’t lead him to turn into Michael Vick. But as I’ve pointed out, the reverse is not true. A person can save a million chickens from getting cramps in their knees, but when asked to vote on the well-being of an unborn baby; they’re nowhere to be found.
So such concerns are misplaced.

I think there’s a sense of blinding oneself to truth, in concern for how we treat animals. So be wary. It’s almost a retroactive knee jerk of re-raising the Golden Calf.
 
If a man is compassionate to his fellow man, then his attitude towards animals won’t lead him to turn into Michael Vick.
I’m in a hurry, or would reply to more points in your post… Actually I think what Michael Vick did was really awful, but ***he was brought up ***to treat animals like this. (Per the television interview.) I am not defending him–but it was his upbringing that gave him the perspective that animals could be treated this way. I don’t think he feels genuine remorse, and don’t think he is even capable of it. I think that how we raise our children has huge influence over them. Children exposed to cruelty will grow up and often be cruel themselves. Violence begets violence. People who beat dogs often cross species and beat their wives and children. Or does someone want to argue that it is more likely that people who beat dogs have a great respect for people and would never think to cause bodily harm to a human?
 
Hunters in the Bible are considered to be antagonists to God (ie. Ishmael, Esau, and Nimrod). There is a book out about it by Rev. J. R. Hyland (Christians, Jews and Hunting).
We will be held accountable for every creature (human and animals) as Hebrews 4:13 says.
Catholic Concern for Animals (CCA) is a great resource for answers concerning animals.
A new book has just been released by our (CCA) General Secretary, and Editor of our journal, The Ark, Dr. Deborah Jones. The title is “The School of Compassion: a Roman Catholic theology of animals” available at www.Amazon.com. 👍
 
***Hunters in the Bible are considered to be antagonists to God ***(ie. Ishmael, Esau, and Nimrod). There is a book out about it by Rev. J. R. Hyland (Christians, Jews and Hunting).
We will be held accountable for every creature (human and animals) as Hebrews 4:13 says.
Catholic Concern for Animals (CCA) is a great resource for answers concerning animals.
A new book has just been released by our (CCA) General Secretary, and Editor of our journal, The Ark, Dr. Deborah Jones. The title is “The School of Compassion: a Roman Catholic theology of animals” available at www.Amazon.com. 👍
Right on!
 
I don’t think he feels genuine remorse, and don’t think he is even capable of it. I think that how we raise our children has huge influence over them. Children exposed to cruelty will grow up and often be cruel themselves. Violence begets violence. People who beat dogs often cross species and beat their wives and children. Or does someone want to argue that it is more likely that people who beat dogs have a great respect for people and would never think to cause bodily harm to a human?
That’s true. I’ve seen someone say, that his dog fighting are indications of what he might be capable of towards humans in the future.
I agree with you on that stuff. Especially those young who enjoy torture of lesser creatures, may work their way up.
'm in a hurry, or would reply to more points in your post…
I hope my previous wasn’t taken as too argumentative. I just was pointing out the caution I have with making judgments on people who are more desensitized with what they have to do to use of animals for human needs as a “means to an end”. Some of them get a bad rap by the radical groups.
Like the farmer who has to put a cow down, with the necessary means of violence, and raises his kids around what needs to be done for raising food, on the outside, for those unfamiliar with that work they might come to false conclusions. It doesn’t mean his respect his livestock any less, than a person who wasn’t raised in that trade.
 
Health care might not be a “right”, but those who have the means and/or ability are responsible for providing for those that do not.
Right on. Part of what it means t:thumbsup:o be civilised as opposed to the law of the jungle:thumbsup:
 
It appears that not a few people on this thread are assuming the motives of a person or group of people that hunts, whether it for pride or love of violence, sounding very close to judging someone’s soul. Please provide some form of evidence (citation) before you accuse a whole group of people of a grave sin.
 
It appears that not a few people on this thread are assuming the motives of a person or group of people that hunts, whether it for pride or love of violence, sounding very close to judging someone’s soul. Please provide some form of evidence (citation) before you accuse a whole group of people of a grave sin.
There is no assumption being made about reasons for any one person hunting. All that has been said is that hunting purely for sport causes unnecessary suffering and is thus wrong.
 
Hunters in the Bible are considered to be antagonists to God (ie. Ishmael, Esau, and Nimrod). There is a book out about it by Rev. J. R. Hyland (Christians, Jews and Hunting).
We will be held accountable for every creature (human and animals) as Hebrews 4:13 says.
Catholic Concern for Animals (CCA) is a great resource for answers concerning animals.
A new book has just been released by our (CCA) General Secretary, and Editor of our journal, The Ark, Dr. Deborah Jones. The title is “The School of Compassion: a Roman Catholic theology of animals” available at www.Amazon.com. 👍
Thnk you. I have even read a passage in the OT about sarifice o ne themself being more pleasin to God. I am trying to find it to post.
 
The answer to this question is complex and not a simple “yes” or “no” from a Catholic moral standpoint. Humans have dominion over all creatures, yet causing unnecessary suffering or death to them is contrary to human dignity (we were created for better) and therefore immoral. So what is the balance here?

In many places, hunting licenses are issued for population control. Unrestricted and without the natural predators and others curbs that used to exist, some game animal populations would grow to unsustainable levels, causing mass die-offs and/or serious ecological damage. Hunting animals in these situations is fully compatible with the command of God to be good stewards of the earth.

On the other hand, hunting animals without any good reason, inflicting fear (which I believe is worse to animals even than pain), is not compatible with stewardship.

Other factors to consider are the method of killing (is it fast and painless, or long and drawn-out, as with some kinds of trapping?) and the capacity of the animal species in question to suffer. Human anguish should probably be considered, too: many humans would be horrified if, say, dogs were caught with baited hooks and released the way fish routinely are.
 
Is*** sports hunting ***ethical? Can we kill animals for the game of it?
Killing animals is unethical period. They are sentient beings fully capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and I think it’s time we got rid of the old primitive shackles we put on our minds and realized that they are our brothers and sisters.

I think it’s about time we re-think animal rights from the core, and finally give them the legal protection they deserve.

I think we Catholics should play a major role in this revival of our thought, it is a unique opportunity to lead the way out of darkness.

For some background on animal rights, ethics, biblical foundations of animal rights etc take a look at

all-creatures.org/ca/ark.html

Also, an insightful investigation of how we got here and how we might proceed from the “lawyers” perspective:

cup.columbia.edu/media/3839/francione-excerpt.pdf

I’m really glad to say that in predominantly catholic Spain, apes are given actual legal rights, a first country in the world to do so, and I hope more follow their lead, and extend it to other species.
 
Killing animals is unethical period. They are sentient beings fully capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and I think it’s time we got rid of the old primitive shackles we put on our minds and realized that they are our brothers and sisters.

I think it’s about time we re-think animal rights from the core, and finally give them the legal protection they deserve.

I think we Catholics should play a major role in this revival of our thought, it is a unique opportunity to lead the way out of darkness.

For some background on animal rights, ethics, biblical foundations of animal rights etc take a look at

all-creatures.org/ca/ark.html

Also, an insightful investigation of how we got here and how we might proceed from the “lawyers” perspective:

cup.columbia.edu/media/3839/francione-excerpt.pdf

I’m really glad to say that in predominantly catholic Spain, apes are given actual legal rights, a first country in the world to do so, and I hope more follow their lead, and extend it to other species.
You need some good Biblical and Magesterial evidence to back up your claim that animals are equal with humans. Animals have no rights except to be spared undue suffering. And if you claim that killing animals is always unethical, than you are calling God unethical who, under the Mosaic Covenant, required animal sacrifice.
 
Killing animals is unethical period. They are sentient beings fully capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and I think it’s time we got rid of the old primitive shackles we put on our minds and realized that they are our brothers and sisters.
They are NOT our brothers and sisters.
They are lesser species that man has rightly been given dominion over.
I think it’s about time we re-think animal rights from the core, and finally give them the legal protection they deserve.
They already have too many laws protecting them.
Whenever the law protects an animal over the welfare of human beings, the line has been crossed.
I think we Catholics should play a major role in this revival of our thought, it is a unique opportunity to lead the way out of darkness.
Perhaps by following the teachings as handed down by God and his Church we can do this.
But I somehow doubt that is what is in mind here.
I’m really glad to say that in predominantly catholic Spain, apes are given actual legal rights, a first country in the world to do so, and I hope more follow their lead, and extend it to other species.
That’s nuts.
I am glad I do not live in a country that fails to recognize the uniqueness of the human being.
 
That’s nuts.
I am glad I do not live in a country that fails to recognize the uniqueness of the human being.
How is recognizing that great apes are closest to us, have language and culture, and self aware and hence really capable of suffering in ways very close to us, and protecting them so that medical or otherwise experiments are not done on them, by giving them legal rights, in any way lessening uniqueness of the humans?

If anything it tells more about humans to do so, it says a lot about awareness some of us have reached, and makes us even more unique.
 
You need some good Biblical and Magesterial evidence to back up your claim that animals are equal with humans. Animals have no rights except to be spared undue suffering. And if you claim that killing animals is always unethical, than you are calling God unethical who, under the Mosaic Covenant, required animal sacrifice.
St. Francis of Assisi had no qualms about calling various animals brothers and sisters, because that’s what they are. Does that mean they are equal to us? No, I would hope not, otherwise how are they different than us?

We are called the children of God, does that mean we are equal to God or gods? Of course not.

Yes, because of the sin and hardness of hearts God may have required animal sacrifices, but Jesus has certainly taught otherwise, that God seeks repentant heart and no more burned offerings.
 
St. Francis of Assisi had no qualms about calling various animals brothers and sisters, because that’s what they are. Does that mean they are equal to us? No, I would hope not, otherwise how are they different than us?

We are called the children of God, does that mean we are equal to God or gods? Of course not.

Yes, because of the sin and hardness of hearts God may have required animal sacrifices, but Jesus has certainly taught otherwise, that God seeks repentant heart and no more burned offerings.
So are you telling me God has changed? And St. Francis himself was not opposed to eating meat.
 
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