Killing Animals for "Sport"

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Newbie2 said:
I wonder if there would be some different reactions if the thread were entitled “trophy hunting” instead of “sport hunting”, Trophy hunting in this case is hunting and killing an animal merely to mount it’s head on the wall, not for the meat or pelt.
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But, wouldn’t that be called “poaching” as far as I know, that is a illegal activity. 🤷
 
vz71 said:
Yes.
And I remain unconvinced from the information you have provided.

I have little doubt of your sincerity, but I doubt some of the premises that support your conclusions.
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If other people don’t want to eat meat, I don’t have a problem with that, and I can respect that. But when people (I’m not referring to anyone on this thread) tell me I’m wrong in eating meat, using leather or fur…
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
But, wouldn’t that be called “poaching” as far as I know, that is a illegal activity. 🤷
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You mean is trophy hunting=poaching?

Poaching is hunting out of season, hunting where hunting is not allowed and hunting species where hunting them is not permitted by law.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
But, wouldn’t that be called “poaching” as far as I know, that is a illegal activity. 🤷
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If a person wants an animal for a trophy mount, kills the animal legally and ethically, and use all the meat, then there is nothing wrong with that that I can see.
 
Newbie2 said:
👍 Also, the average Michigan hunter’s ideal is to drink heavily, play cards, smoke cigars, and leave behind the “domestic life” for a few days. 😃
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I don’t understand why some people just can’t leave the alcohol at home. It causes a good number of hunting accidents. Guns and alcohol don’t mix.
 
bigfootbob said:
I don’t understand why some people just can’t leave the alcohol at home. It causes a good number of hunting accidents. Guns and alcohol don’t mix.
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No doubt. I’m not a hunter, but my dad always taught me never to carry a white handkerchief in the woods in Michigan in the fall. Whitetailed deer in woods + drunk or hungover hunter + waving anything like a flash of white=getting shot at.

I sure don’t want my head on someone’s wall. 😃
 
Just because a person goes trophy hunting does not mean that they do not eat the meat.
 
Deacon_Ed_B said:
Just because a person goes trophy hunting does not mean that they do not eat the meat.
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Do you eat elephant?? Wild Cat?? You can probably ship the trophy head home once the taxidermist has done his job, but you might have a problem getting the meat through customs.
 
Marfran said:
Do you eat elephant?? Wild Cat?? You can probably ship the trophy head home once the taxidermist has done his job, but you might have a problem getting the meat through customs.
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As has been said by another poster and attested to by a couple of people I worked with; the native population utilizes the kill.

You go home with your trophy, the locals go home with food.
 
Brendan said:
4elise, if it means anything, I have appreciated you (name removed by moderator)ut. I disagree with some of your takes on things, but I have never encountered any meanness, and I certainly have never attempted to convey any myself 😃

I think we have a lot more in common than not. I too prefer hunting to factory farming. If you noticed in previous emails, our family even raised our own chickens, and will start again in the spring. We get eggs from that, and at the end of their laying ‘careers’ they will end up in the pot.

But always, it will be quick with no suffering. Which is what we are called to do.
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Thank you Brendan - I appreciate that…

I wonder if you might understand how *learning about factory farming *(since my family doesn’t hunt and we live in suburbs where folks don’t keep chickens) how we came to *‘pulling ourselves out of that CAFO loop’ * made sense for our family?

I know I feel much more strongly against factory farms than hunting - the hunters who post here all have expressed both gratitude and a conviction that animals be killed quickly and never wasted - I think it is a word game - objecting to the ‘sport’ vs ‘trophy’ — my understanding of the OP was that it referenced those who have no need of the animals they hunt, and only to do for the ‘fun of it’

If one does not ‘need’ the meat - hunting with a camera can bring home some lovely photos of creation and provide all the exercise, thrill of the chase, and ‘capture’ along with the evidence that - yup, could have taken that beautiful animal - but since I didn’t need it - here is a lovely photo!
 
Newbie2 said:
No doubt. I’m not a hunter, but my dad always taught me never to carry a white handkerchief in the woods in Michigan in the fall. Whitetailed deer in woods + drunk or hungover hunter + waving anything like a flash of white=getting shot at.

I sure don’t want my head on someone’s wall. 😃
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Sadly I am sure that the alcohol also contributes to injured / not killed animals. 😦 — maybe they should create some kind of breathalyzer lock / release on the gun - can’t shout if you’ve been drinking!
 
vz71 said:
As has been said by another poster and attested to by a couple of people I worked with; the native population utilizes the kill.

You go home with your trophy, the locals go home with food.
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Well, to me, the big issue that I see here is the real motivation of the “trophy” hunter. Yes, the animal is not being wasted if it is being eaten by others, so objectively it is not a problem in that way.

But why does that person want to kill the animal? It isn’t to provide the local people with a meal. It seems to me the reasons are ones which separate the hunter from the proper end of hunting. Because he or she gets a rush from the hunt, because he wants a trophy of his hunting prowess? Because it gives a feeling of power or dominion?

When I see this kind of trophy hunting, I begin to think that it is moving in an unhealthy direction for the hunter. Intent is very important in Christianity, and justice - each thing used for it’s proper purpose, each action toward it’s proper end.
 
Marfran said:
Do you eat elephant?? Wild Cat?? You can probably ship the trophy head home once the taxidermist has done his job, but you might have a problem getting the meat through customs.
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No, but I’d love to try it!😃
 
Marfran said:
Do you eat elephant?? Wild Cat??
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I honestly would not mind giving elephant a try.

At the very least, I’m sure there would be plenty of people on sub-saharan Africa who could make use of the meat.

As I mentioned in a previous post, we killed a raccoon that had broke into our chicken coop. That animal was eaten.
 
Bluegoat said:
Well, to me, the big issue that I see here is the real motivation of the “trophy” hunter. Yes, the animal is not being wasted if it is being eaten by others, so objectively it is not a problem in that way.

But why does that person want to kill the animal? It isn’t to provide the local people with a meal. It seems to me the reasons are ones which separate the hunter from the proper end of hunting. Because he or she gets a rush from the hunt, because he wants a trophy of his hunting prowess? Because it gives a feeling of power or dominion?

When I see this kind of trophy hunting, I begin to think that it is moving in an unhealthy direction for the hunter. Intent is very important in Christianity, and justice - each thing used for it’s proper purpose, each action toward it’s proper end.
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Very good points. But if I was given that kind of opportunity, I think I would take it.
 
Brendan said:
I honestly would not mind giving elephant a try.
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It probably tastes like chicken.

My father is a hunter and I have tried most game on the North American continent. My favorite is still Maine lobster.
 
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adly I am sure that the alcohol also contributes to injured / not killed animals.
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I would be more worried about humans. :
( — maybe they should create some kind of breathalyzer lock / release on the gun - can’t shout if you’ve been drinking!
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😃 …Can’t shout if you’ve been drinking.😃 most people can.
 
Bluegoat said:
But why does that person want to kill the animal? It isn’t to provide the local people with a meal. It seems to me the reasons are ones which separate the hunter from the proper end of hunting. Because he or she gets a rush from the hunt, because he wants a trophy of his hunting prowess? Because it gives a feeling of power or dominion?
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Who exactly placed you in a position to judge the the intentions of others that you do not even know?

The concern that it is an unhealthy direction for the hunter is unfounded without knowing what exactly the hunter is thinking.

You are quite correct, "Intent is very important in Christianity, and justice - "
But you are not in a position to judge this.
 
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