Killing Animals for "Sport"

[bigfootbob]

Well, maybe some people shoot bank robbers for sport.

Ohhhh, I knew it tied in somehow. Sounds like fun. There’s a bank robber running around this neck of the woods, he pulled off a job 15 min. from where I live yesterday. He might be linked to 3 other bank robberies. Boy, I would sure like to have his head up on my wall.:yukonjoe:

 

[severus68]

So are you saying that a priest or deacon cannot have anytime off for R & R?/QUOTE

They are entitled to but should spend such time in less violent ways. I would not respect any priest who hunts for sport. I have always believed that priests and nuns who have been called to their vocations should be examples to the rest of us, that they are special. They should be setting an example of the non violence that Christ taught.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Ohhhh, I knew it tied in somehow. Sounds like fun. There’s a bank robber running around this neck of the woods, he pulled off a job 15 min. from where I live yesterday. He might be linked to 3 other bank robberies. Boy, I would sure like to have his head up on my wall.:yukonjoe:

Now THERE’S a challenge for the taxidermist!

 

[CWBetts]

Deacon Ed B;5847498:

So are you saying that a priest or deacon cannot have anytime off for R & R?

How nice…holding others up to a standard that you yourself do not follow. Not quite the most charitable of attitudes.

 

[severus68]

severus68;5849542:

How nice…holding others up to a standard that you yourself do not follow. Not quite the most charitable of attitudes.

Really ? I don’t eat meat or hunt. I am entitled to want my priests to be special. Don’t see much of a charitable attitude in you, just a response to you.

 

[CWBetts]

CWBetts;5849631:

Really ? I don’t eat meat or hunt. I am entitled to want my priests to be special. Don’t see much of a charitable attitude in you, just a response to you.

You have no right to dictate what a priest does in his “down time,” especially considering that there is nothing immoral about eating meat or hunting. Jesus ate fish. The Passover was a form of the todah sacrifice, which required the eating of a lamb. To expect anyone else to comply with sense of morality with no grounding in Scriptur or Tradition is, at best, unreasonable.

 

[Indyann]

severus68;5849698:

You have no right to dictate what a priest does in his “down time,” especially considering that there is nothing immoral about eating meat or hunting. Jesus ate fish. The Passover was a form of the todah

sacrifice, which required the eating of a lamb. To expect anyone else to comply with sense of morality with no grounding in Scriptur or Tradition is, at best, unreasonable.

And Jesus went fishing. Often. And I don’t remember anything about catch and release in Scripture either.

 

[severus68]

severus68;5849698:

You have no right to dictate what a priest does in his “down time,” especially considering that there is nothing immoral about eating meat or hunting. Jesus ate fish. The Passover was a form of the todah

sacrifice, which required the eating of a lamb. To expect anyone else to comply with sense of morality with no grounding in Scriptur or Tradition is, at best, unreasonable.

I wrote about priests hunting for sport, please do not imply I said anything more.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

So for you who do follow the rules, what do you think about the poaching activity??? (That would be in addition to the illegal activity–like shooting down a red tailed hawk for the fun of it.)

Poaching bear in California and Canada is all about money. Poachers kill bear for “certain parts” used in Chinese medicine. The parts are sold on the black market and the rest of the carcass is left to rot. I bring this up because this is a serious problem, and the motivation for killing the bears is one of “greed,” and it is threatening the bear populations. People are not hunting them for “sport” or the “game” of it–just simple greed.

wildlife-conservation.suite101.com/article.cfm/bear_poaching_in_north_america

Obviously, the fact that we follow thr rules, speaks for itself.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Deacon Ed B;5847498:

So are you saying that a priest or deacon cannot have anytime off for R & R?

Who in the world appointed you as arbiter for what is right or wrong, especially in the lives of religious. To say that you do not respect them if they hunt is the epitome of bias (and other things.)

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

CWBetts;5849631:

Really ? I don’t eat meat or hunt.** I am entitled to want my priests to be special. **

Don’t see much of a charitable attitude in you, just a response to you.

They are special whether they hunt or not.

 

[severus68]

severus68;5849542:

Who in the world appointed you as arbiter for what is right or wrong, especially in the lives of religious. To say that you do not respect them if they hunt is the epitome of bias (and other things.)

You have your own views, I have mine. I believe hunting for sport is wrong. I am very glad my parish priests do not hunt.

 

[severus68]

severus68;5849698:

You have no right to dictate what a priest does in his “down time,” especially considering that there is nothing immoral about eating meat or hunting. Jesus ate fish. The Passover was a form of the todah

sacrifice, which required the eating of a lamb. To expect anyone else to comply with sense of morality with no grounding in Scriptur or Tradition is, at best, unreasonable.

I have every right to want priests who teach us morality and ethics to practice them themselves. While priests are like any of us not perfect, I expect them not to deliberately do something wrong as a pastime. I believe hunting for sport is wrong.

 

[Newbie2]

“Generally” unsafe can be specifically reduced to a 60% contaimination of donated meat. That should be enough to cause a pause. If nothing else, I would hope that all hunters might be more motivated to excise on the side of caution enough to reduce contaimination. Also, children under six should not eat anything that has the remotest possiblity of lead.

There was also a good case made for lead alternatives. Yes, this ammunition is more expensive, but one could still use lead for all other purposes except the actual kill.

This article is Scientific American, not some animal rights, left wing blog. Instead of criticizing Marfran why not take to heart the potential harm she brought up and take corrective measures?

Because I have a problem with blanket statements that people throw out there as “evidence” of their notions. Thank you for the additional information.

I have no problem with being careful with lead. However, meat does not get “contaminated” with lead; lead does not leach out into the meat. This does not happen even in a live animal, unless the lead is ingested.

But that is another subject…we stray from the topic at hand.

 

[JaneGrey]

severus68;5849542:

How nice…holding others up to a standard that you yourself do not follow. Not quite the most charitable of attitudes.

Whoa there are’'nt priests and other clergy members supposed to act at all times according to a higher standard of morality than the lay people??? Im sure they themselves want to conduct themselves so. They are priests, not one of us in the sense that there is more at stake for them due to the vows they took.
Members of the congregation look to their parish priests for guidance, so I think they do indeed have a right to hold them to a standard higher than themselves.
Why do you take it upon yourself to judge severus68 for not adhering to the same standard? I think its quite clear if they arent comfortable with their priest hunting, they would not do it themselves.

 

[vz71]

I wrote about priests hunting for sport, please do not imply I said anything more.

no one need imply anything of the sort.
Your own post betrays you.

They are entitled to but should spend such time in less violent ways. I would not respect any priest who hunts for sport. I have always believed that priests and nuns who have been called to their vocations should be examples to the rest of us, that they are special. They should be setting an example of the non violence that Christ taught.

 

[vz71]

You have your own views, I have mine. I believe hunting for sport is wrong. I am very glad my parish priests do not hunt.

Your belief is not in line with the CCC.

 

[vz71]

Whoa there are’'nt priests and other clergy members supposed to act at all times according to a higher standard of morality than the lay people???

No.
We are all called to the highest of standards provided by God and his church.

Im sure they themselves want to conduct themselves so. They are priests, not one of us in the sense that there is more at stake for them due to the vows they took.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that the vows they have taken do not mention hunting of any type.

Members of the congregation look to their parish priests for guidance, so I think they do indeed have a right to hold them to a standard higher than themselves.
Why do you take it upon yourself to judge severus68 for not adhering to the same standard? I think its quite clear if they arent comfortable with their priest hunting, they would not do it themselves.

Same standard?
The post specified a lack of respect for priests that hunt “for sport.”
This goes far beyond holding one to any standard.
A priest is worthy of respect simply by the authority of his office.

 

[pnewton]

Your belief is not in line with the CCC.

It is not reflective of Catholic teaching, but it is not a prohibited view. Since the statement is preceded by the qualifier, “You have your own views, I have mine,” it is not out of line to with the Catholic Church. Likewise, one can believe dancing, smoking or drinking is wrong and remain in line with Church teaching as long is this is acknowledged as a personal view, not Church teaching.

 

[vz71]

It is not reflective of Catholic teaching, but it is not a prohibited view. Since the statement is preceded by the qualifier, “You have your own views, I have mine,” it is not out of line to with the Catholic Church.

It is not a prohibited view, I will agree to that.
However, if a view is not the view of the church, then it is by definition not in line.

Please do not try to sugar coat it. The beliefs you hold simply do not line with those of God’s church.