Killing Animals for "Sport"

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severus68 said:
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I have every right to want priests who teach us morality and ethics to practice them themselves. While priests are like any of us not perfect, I expect them not to deliberately do something wrong as a pastime. I believe hunting for sport is wrong.
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Wait a minute “you believe” ? That is all well and good, but can you provide a single magisterial document that supports this view? The CCC isn’t clear on the issue? Do you have an encyclical? Apostolic letter? Anything at all? If you don’t you are trying to enforce your mere fallible opinion as doctrine. If you choose for yourself not to hunt, that is all well and good. But to expect others to accept your opinion, and lets be honest, that’s what it is, is to set yourself up as your own pope! The point is, unless the Pope rules that sport hunting is immoral, is is none of your bloody business if a priest hunts or not. How would you like someone examining every single thing you do under a microscope? That is exactly what you are doing to our priests! And this is the year of the priest. Instead of criticizing, have you ever thought it might be worth your while to pray for them instead?:
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CWBetts said:
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You have no right to dictate what a priest does in his “down time,” especially considering that there is nothing immoral about eating meat or hunting. Jesus ate fish. The Passover was a form of the todah
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sacrifice, which required the eating of a lamb. To expect anyone else to comply with sense of morality with no grounding in Scriptur or Tradition is, at best, unreasonable.
Amen. A priest is a human being with human needs for rest and relaxation time like anyone else. I always take a little interest in the personal interest of priests I know. It adds a nice little human element to them. The currernt passtor of my parish likes history, and reads up on it during his personal time… A priest who is a friend of my family many years. Before he retired went horse back riding and raised German Sheperds. If a priest wants to take up the hobby of hunting or fishing htat is perfectly fine.
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CWBetts said:
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Wait a minute “you believe” ? That is all well and good, but can you provide a single magisterial document that supports this view? The CCC isn’t clear on the issue? Do you have an encyclical? Apostolic letter? Anything at all? If you don’t you are trying to enforce your mere fallible opinion as doctrine. If you choose for yourself not to hunt, that is all well and good. But to expect others to accept your opinion, and lets be honest, that’s what it is, is to set yourself up as your own pope! The point is, unless the Pope rules that sport hunting is immoral, is is none of your bloody business if a priest hunts or not. How would you like someone examining every single thing you do under a microscope? That is exactly what you are doing to our priests! And this is the year of the priest. Instead of criticizing, have you ever thought it might be worth your while to pray for them instead?:
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I never associated my view with that of the Church. Kindly watch your language. I do pray for them and will pray for you too.
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Someone here posted about Fr Corapi hunting. I did a little looking, and I found a picture of him with a nice big bear. That would be in the ‘sport hunting’ category I’d think. And Fr Corapi is probably a whole lot holier and smarter (and I could be wrong) then anyone posting on this thread. If Fr. Corapi is doing it, I’d say it’s probably not morally wrong.
 
You have your own views, I have mine. I believe hunting for sport is wrong. I am very glad my parish priests do not hunt.
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I can respect your position as regards yourself. You are entitled to that. But do not judge a persons character because they hunt. If you do not like meat or do not eat it, that too is fine and you are entitled to it. But again, do not judge a persons character because they do so.
 
bigfootbob said:
Someone here posted about Fr Corapi hunting. I did a little looking, and I found a picture of him with a nice big bear. That would be in the ‘sport hunting’ category I’d think. And Fr Corapi is probably a whole lot holier and smarter (and I could be wrong) then anyone posting on this thread. If Fr. Corapi is doing it, I’d say it’s probably not morally wrong.
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I agree with you. but I will go one step further. Have you ever had bear meat? It is not bad.
 
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They are entitled to but should spend such time in less violent ways. I would not respect any priest who hunts for sport. I have always believed that priests and nuns who have been called to their vocations should be examples to the rest of us, that they are special. They should be setting an example of the non violence that Christ taught
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😦 Jesus ate lamb and he probably didn’t buy it at the market. He could have possibly butchered a lamb at some point, or helped St. Joseph do it. We don’t know.

And didn’t St. Francis say about priests “All I know and all I want to know that these are the hands that bring me Jesus.” ? You do not have to agree with hunting…but you do owe respect to our religious.
 
pnewton said:
A little late to this thread, though I should have jumped on earlier to continue discussion with my animal nut friends. On this, I agree, with the caveat “only”. Hunting only for sport is wrong. I do not see how it can be reconciled with Church teaching prohibiting the infliction of unneccessary suffering on animals. Sport hunting for population control actually decreases the amount of suffering caused by massive die off from starvation.

I have killed animals, but never for sport. I know that I have no stomach for such an act and have only done so out of necessity. Even when I knew it was the right thing to do, it still took a lot out of me.
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diddo. thank you for the intelligent reply.
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
😦 Jesus ate lamb and he probably didn’t buy it at the market. He could have possibly butchered a lamb at some point, or helped St. Joseph do it. We don’t know.

And didn’t St. Francis say about priests “All I know and all I want to know that these are the hands that bring me Jesus.” ? You do not have to agree with hunting…but you do owe respect to our religious.
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If Christ butchered a lamb, He would have done it for food, out of neccessity.

St Francis of Assisi called animals his brothers and sisters and even preached. I have never heard of him hunting for sport.

I have always respected religious. I see them as special. That is why my respect is diminished or disappears when I see behaviour that seems so much at odds ( to me) with being a man or woman of God. I have specified hunting for sport. If Father Corapi had shot that bear referred to in one of the posts, to protect life and he only hunts to feed the poor and never for sport, I would have no issues.
 
severus68 said:
If Christ butchered a lamb, He would have done it for food, out of neccessity.

St Francis of Assisi called animals his brothers and sisters and even preached. I have never heard of him hunting for sport.

I have always respected religious. I see them as special. That is why my respect is diminished or disappears when I see behaviour that seems so much at odds ( to me) with being a man or woman of God. I have specified hunting for sport. If Father Corapi had shot that bear referred to in one of the posts, to protect life and he only hunts to feed the poor and never for sport, I would have no issues.
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Key phrase her is “to me.” Again you are setting yourself up as the final arbiter of truth. Should we call you Pope Severus68?
 
CWBetts said:
Key phrase her is “to me.” Again you are setting yourself up as the final arbiter of truth. Should we call you Pope Severus68?
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I have made it clear that it is my view. Scarcasm does not further any discussion.
 
CWBetts said:
Key phrase her is “to me.” Again you are setting yourself up as the final arbiter of truth. Should we call you Pope Severus68?
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One may hold an opinion without seeing oneself as a Pope. Yet the caution against judging our priests by ones personal standard is warranted.
 
vz71 said:
Please do not try to sugar coat it. The beliefs you hold simply do not line with those of God’s church.
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Really? Now who is acting independent of the Church and making authoritative statements?

What belief do I hold that is not in line with the Church?
 
pnewton said:
Really? Now who is acting independent of the Church and making authoritative statements?

What belief do I hold that is not in line with the Church?
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The additional meanings you place upon the CCC when it references the word ‘needless’ are indicative of this.

What you have defined so narrowly for yourself is not the case for the church.
And while you are free to believe as you do since it is not against any formal teaching of the church, do not make the mistake of believing it is the teaching.
 
vz71 said:
And while you are free to believe as you do since it is not against any formal teaching of the church, do not make the mistake of believing it is the teaching.
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I see. You are using the phrase so narrowly as to say that drinking coffee is not in line with the Church. Smoking is not in line with the Church. Defining “in line” in such a narrow fashion is not in line with the Church. I understand, but it is confusing since I have never used that phrase that way.
 
Interesting how many here are quick to pounce on someone who doesnt believe in hunting. If so secure in your divine ‘‘right’’ to hunt, why get so defensive?
Let me put it this way, we make choices in life because we think they make our lives better for it. It may not be right but sometimes we cant help but condescendingly think the person who has not made the same choice we have is worse off. Hunters have made it very clear they are not ashamed of what they do and even think they are doing good in the process. Whatever, you can say what you want. Im going to come right out and stand by my belief that hunting for sport is unnecessary and therefore wrong.
The Catholic church has not explicitly said that hunting for sport is sinful. However the CCC states clearly that causing animals unnecessary pain and suffering is sinful. What we disagree on is what we each consider necessary.

God bless
 
pnewton said:
I see. You are using the phrase so narrowly as to say that drinking coffee is not in line with the Church. Smoking is not in line with the Church. Defining “in line” in such a narrow fashion is not in line with the Church. I understand, but it is confusing since I have never used that phrase that way.
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Smoking and ingesting coffee are not the topic here.
The topic at hand happens to be hunting for sport.

I don’t understand how one can mistake a teaching not within the CCC for a teaching within the CCC.
 
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