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severus68
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I am sure Marfran has eyes to see like Godscre even if they don’t hunt.
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bigfootbob
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It is the responsibility of the hunter (to the best of his ability) to find and kill animals that he has wounded.
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bigfootbob
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In my opinion, it is not immoral. Yes the animals do suffer some. Who said anything about fair play? the dictionary says: “respect for the rules or equal treatment for all concerned.” I do not consider animals equal to me, and accordingly, I do not give them equal treatment.
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Marfran
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I have worked in wildlife rehab/management. I come from a hunting family that is in a hunting community. I subscribe to “hunting” magazines and other literature/communication. In fact I just reviewed an article concerning SAK (Sex-Age-Kill) calculations for Midwestern deer herd populations. And yes, there are a lot of rules broken and a lot of safety issues involved in “legitimate” hunting.
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Marfran
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Maybe we should start a thread on steel leghold traps. I find these traps to be the most inhumane tool in the arsenal of hunters/trappers.
“Yes the animals do suffer some” is putting it mildly.
A skilled hunter *can *kill quickly–but a steel leghold trap causes hours, even days of severe suffering, pain, and agony.
The idea of “fair play” was brought up when we considered “hunting” a “sport.” Many have objection to calling it a “sport.” When carefully analyzed there does not seem to be anything that would substantiate it being called a “sport.”
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bigfootbob
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So where do you get your “Hunters chase all these deer into the road” idea? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I don’t think it is all that common.
Which is too bad because it gives non hunters a bad view on hunting.
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bigfootbob
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Which is worse in your opinion: fur farms or trapping?
I have not seen it carefully analyzed yet.
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Godscre
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Yes, I’m aware of Genesis 9:3. God gives concessions, such as divorce, but it was not what He intended when He created us.
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tweetymom
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And you know this because?
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Marfran
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That’s a tough question. They are equally bad. In both situations the animals suffer. On the fur farm animals are kept from having a natural life, and are bodily confined to small cages, then killed for “unneccessary” luxury fur articles. In the steel leghold trap animals suffer tremendous physical pain for hours, even days. If I could choose to have one outlawed before the other, I might choose to have the leghold traps outlawed first–because humans can inadvertedly be hurt in these too. There are also a lot of unintended victims in the leghold traps.
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bigfootbob
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Divorce is not allowed in the Catholic church.
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bigfootbob
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??? Have you seen the size of regular traps? Not big enough to do a human much harm (unless you put your hand in it)
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Godscre
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We are to have the mind of Christ who lowered himself to come to earth to serve us.
He did redeem the whole world (cosmos) with his death on the cross.
Since we’re made in God’s image, we are to serve and be good stewards of His animals which He put in our care. Dominion does not mean ‘domination’ to do whatever we please with His animals. God is the center of the universe, He did not make animals to serve us, the anthropocentric point of view. He made animals to be our companions. Only when sin entered the world (through humans) did suffering, death and killing enter the Garden of Eden where all life lived in harmony with one another.
If we are redeemed and living in God’s Peaceful Kingdom, shouldn’t we live as if we are?
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bigfootbob
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What does that have to do with my post?
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Godscre
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God is the one who sees everything and will judge everyone in the end, not me.
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dprewett
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Why would anyone kill just for sport. Almost all animals taste great and skinning them is a great way to spend some time with the family. Real me hunt with a Bow.
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Marfran
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Good post. I agree.
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bigfootbob
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fultonfish
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Genesis 9:3 seems pretty open and shut. OK to kill animals and eat them.
bible.cc/genesis/9-3.htm
And man has dominion over all the critters, part of the subduing thing. Apologies and long tedious hair-splitting explanations not required. Subduing and dominion.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
bible.cc/genesis/9-3.htm
And man has dominion over all the critters, part of the subduing thing. Apologies and long tedious hair-splitting explanations not required. Subduing and dominion.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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