Killing in defense of an animal

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buffalo said:
And if you were maimed in the process would it have been worth it?
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As I said, I wouldn’t do it unless I was capable of defending myself against the person.

But, for example, if a neighborhood child was attacking a pet, I would sure as hell get in the way, and the kid would get a beating if he attacked me.

Or, if an adult was on my property attacking my pet, I’d go get my shotgun, and stop that right quick. Anyone who wants to pick a fight with a man with a double barreled 12 gauge is gonna have a bad day.

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PeteZaHut said:
Is it ever justifiable to kill a person in defense of an animal/pet?
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Excellent question. I don’t know if its morally justifiable to kill a person for a pet but I would say it is morally justifiable to subdue someone who was torturing or going to kill a pet and if the attacker were to die as a result, then so be it.
 
Salonika said:
I just hope that if I ever came across someone torturing an animal or killing animals for fun that I had some way of stopping them that did not emulate what they were doing.

Remember that those who abuse animals often move on to abusing/also abuse people, so they need to be stopped.
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Well, you could change the perpetraitor from a ‘rooster’ to a ‘hen’…that should keep him from harming an innocent creature…:whistle:
 
no, that’s crazy. A human being is infinitely more valuable than an animal.

But…I think that if a person was killing an animal that you needed for survival, it might be a different story. That’s rarely the case in the USA, though.
 
I am not sure what to say in this situation.

I think I am surprised that the question was even asked.

I get very upset when I see the fuss made over a Cat or a Dog on the News about trying to get someone to adopt them but not a word about the Babies being murdered every day in this country.

We drowned new born Pups and Kittens in Ireland or we would have been overrun by them.

They still do it to this very day.

Antrim
 
Great point about the babies, Antrim. I read somewhere (I say that a lot, my memory stinks) that this is actually another sign of the progress of the culture of death, that the true value of human life is further degraded by exalting animals above their proper place. Or something like that. I wish I could remember the exact quote or where I saw it 'cause it was a good one.

On the soul thing mentioned earlier, I think it’s something like animals have spirits and humans have souls, but I am so murky on it, is it just the mortal and immortal thing? I think we can all agree that we are not saving dogs and cats from possible damnation if we kill someone on their behalf, though. :rolleyes:
 
Antrim said:
IWe drowned new born Pups and Kittens in Ireland or we would have been overrun by them.

They still do it to this very day.

Antrim
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That’s just flat out disgusting and inhumane! Ever heard of spaying and neutering?
 
There are a lot of what ifs in the replies and I will add another. I do believe that there is in no way equality between animal life and human life. Having said that I have 3 dogs and a cat that I am quite fond of. Two of my dogs are quite large and could do serious damage to a human. Luckily they are gentle. I would never own a vicious dog. If a dog of mine ever attacked a human I would put it down myself, and would not hold it against another person to do the same. Having said that if a person comes on to my property and tries to harm any of my critters unprovoked you can scroll back up to the 12 guage shotgun deal that an earlier poster talked about. The same applies in Kansas. Bad News for the Bad Guys
 
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Antrim:
IWe drowned new born Pups and Kittens in Ireland or we would have been overrun by them.

Reply by MakeUpArtist - That’s just flat out disgusting and inhumane! Ever heard of spaying and neutering?
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Yes, it is. And the comment I got when I took the male cat I had just adopted to be neutered “but your existing cat is speyed so why get the new cat “done"? leads to such inhumanity as does humanity thinking it is better not different from animals.
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MakeUpArtist:
I would reserve the insane label for anyone who would be cruel to an innocent animal for fun.
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And I would be afraid what vulnerable human they might move on to.
 
PeteZaHut said:
Is it ever justifiable to kill a person in defense of an animal/pet?
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That’s very tough, but I think I’d have to say no, reluctantly. Unless perhaps the person was wiping out a whole species of animals. I might be able to make a case that a species of animals is roughly equivalent in value to a single human life, but I recognize this is shaky. However, I’d certainly have no problem using non-lethal force to stop a person (shooting them in the leg or something). And I’d use non-lethal force whenever possible to defend human life as well. But if I had to (and thought I possibly could) I’d use lethal force to defend a human life. And I don’t think I could justify this in defense of a non-sentient being, no matter how appealing it might be in certain circumstances.

Edwin
 
Pray4Life said:
Great point about the babies, Antrim. I read somewhere (I say that a lot, my memory stinks) that this is actually another sign of the progress of the culture of death, that the true value of human life is further degraded by exalting animals above their proper place. Or something like that. I wish I could remember the exact quote or where I saw it 'cause it was a good one.
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Lots of people say things like this, but I think they are simply furthering the culture of death by playing one kind of life up against another. The answer to people like Peter Singer who say that animals have rights and babies don’t is not to disparage the value of animal life, but to protect all life as much as possible.

Edwin
 
If you see somebody hurting an animal. YOu call the Police, Animal Control or the S P C A.

You do not take the matter into your own Hands.

People were poor in Ireland. It was a struggle to survive and there was no such thing as fixing Dogs or Cats.

There probably still is not. Remember it is a way of life there.

God gave us dominion over the animals and they get that in Ireland.

They make a News Story about a Cat getting stuck in a Tree or a Dog in a hole as if it was a human in trouble.

We are not equal to animals but they would like to have you beleive it…

Who cares if there is Cat up a Tree or a Dog down a hole they resque it and thats fine but dont make a News story about it and not make an issue about all the Babies that are being murdered in this country every day but then that would not be to popular with Pro Choice would it? They might hurt their feelings and that woukd never do would it or they might sue the News Media if they said the wrong thing.

Antrim
 
Somebody probably made that up that animals had spirits to try and put them on an equal with humans.

Antrim
 
God did give us dominion over animals. That comes with responsibility. It does not mean we should treat them inhumanely, and drowning is one of the most inhumane ways to die.

Also, if someone is in my home harming my dog I can’t just sit back and wait for the cops to arrive. I have too much compassion to sit by while a living being is harned. I don’t understand how anyone with an ounce of compassion could hear cries of distress and not do anything, whether it be a person or animal in need of help.
 
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Antrim:
God gave us dominion over the animals and they get that in Ireland.
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Think it is better to see our position regarding the earth as guardians/custodians rather than rulers. All species have their place and we should respect that. When we forget that we run the risk of damaging the earth (more than is being done at present).
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Antrim:
People were poor in Ireland. It was a struggle to survive and there was no such thing as fixing Dogs or Cats. There probably still is not. Remember it is a way of life there.
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Doesn’t Ireland have vets?

People now do not have the excuse when they mistreat animals, that animals don’t feel pain. So why do they continue behaviour, like drowning puppies and kittens, that they know causes animals pain? Having “dominion” over animals isn’t a charter to mistreat them.

Once it was okay for a husband to beat his wife (provided he didn’t use too big a stick) as it was to beat your servants and your children. Thank goodness, most countries have moved past that.
 
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