Killing in defense of an animal

[Sam_Maloney]

I love animals, and my life would be sad and empty without my dogs and horses.

I can see using force to prevent direct, immeadiate harm to animals, but I can’t see deliberately taking a human life, ever, not even for a whole species.

We must be careful even on the ‘force to prevent harm’ thing. The morons who burned down a Colorado ski resort because there could have been lynx in the area are a good example of how not to do it: a lot of innocent people could have been killed, and lynx aren’t exactly fire proof either.

 

[Fox]

No, it is never right to take the life of a person to save a lower animal. Now of course you can try to stop them through other means (talk to them, call the police, etc.) if that person is abusing the animal, for we are all are called to be good stewards to God’ creation.

 

[Catholic90]

I get very upset when I see the fuss made over a Cat or a Dog on the News about trying to get someone to adopt them but not a word about the Babies being murdered every day in this country. I would agree. There should be more publicity about babies.

**We drowned new born Pups and Kittens in Ireland or we would have been overrun by them. **

They still do it to this very day.

This is very sad and is wrong. We may have dominion over animals, but that does not give us the right to torture them and kill them just because humans are not responsible enough to spay and neuter them. What does THAT teach the children? (other than due to human negligence, life is disposable…)

Antrim

I may not kill someone over a pet or animal, but I would do some serious damage to a human to prevent them from inflicting further cruelty on an animal. If I ever found someone torturing one of my pets, you can be sure an ambulance would need to be called for the human to repair their kneecaps or other broken bones (along with police to arrest them).

 

[Fox]

Careful though, you don’t want to be arrested yourself for assault and battery.

 

[bilop]

If you see somebody hurting an animal. YOu call the Police, Animal Control or the S P C A.

You do not take the matter into your own Hands.

If it’s your animal you certainly do.

Anyone tries to destroy my property, including animals, and I’m going to intercede.

If they procede to assault me, I would use force against them. If they get hurt or killed, that’s on them.

Let’s take another example. If you saw someone preparing to burn down your house, placing oily rags, piling up tinder, etc., would you stop them, or just call the cops and wait? I’d retrieve a firearm, and physically block their activity. If they attacked me, I’d use deadly force.

Same story if someone attacked my pet. I’d arm myself, and physically impose myself between the pet and the assailant.

God Bless

 

[Sean_Boyle]

God did give us dominion over animals. That comes with responsibility. It does not mean we should treat them inhumanely, and drowning is one of the most inhumane ways to die.

Please list a humane way to kill an animal? How does your human society kill unwanted pets, gas? Which is a worse way to die gas or drowing? Sort of an ironic that the humane society uses the most inhumane way of killing animals, isn’t it.

Is hunting for food inhumane treatment of animals? Is raising animals on a family farm for food and butcher inhumane?

Is using pesticides in your home to kill insects, inhumane?

If I see someone placing baited ant traps outside, should I position myself between the exterminator and the ants with a shotgun?

Get a grip!!!

 

[MakeUpArtist]

Please list a humane way to kill an animal?

They euthanize the animal. I suggest you educate yourself about the issue before you go on a rant about something you obviously know nothing about. Most animal welfare organizations are not opposed to killing animals in some circumstances. They are merely opposed to inhumane treatment. I’m amazed there are people who can’t comprehend the difference between drowning unwanted animals and humanely euthanizing them.

 

[bilop]

Please list a humane way to kill an animal?

Euthanized by a vet is pretty humane. A bullet through the brain is actually WAY more humane than drowning. The animal will feel no pain, as death is instantaneous, but people are too squeamish of the blood.

Would you really stand and watch while someone beat your dog or cat to death?

God Bless

 

[TAS2000]

I’m amazed that by using the word “euthanize” you think it is better. I must admit i haven’t bothered to check in a while but it used to be common to gas the animals in the shelter to kill them. Back in school, we disected cats that had been killed this way for a biology class, I tell you the expression frozen on the dead cat’s face was not one of happily passing away away in her sleep. She also had 2 babies in her womb, which caused a bit of a stirr in class as an opportunity to investigate that particualr anatomy lesson.

Giving it a prettier name doesn’t change the reality. Escargo are still just snails.

 

[bilop]

I’m amazed that by using the word “euthanize” you think it is better. I must admit i haven’t bothered to check in a while but it used to be common to gas the animals in the shelter to kill them. Back in school, we disected cats that had been killed this way for a biology class, I tell you the expression frozen on the dead cat’s face was not one of happily passing away away in her sleep. She also had 2 babies in her womb, which caused a bit of a stirr in class as an opportunity to investigate that particualr anatomy lesson.

Giving it a prettier name doesn’t change the reality. Escargo are still just snails.

A quick Google search shows that it is simple overdose of anesthesia. Typically painless.

God Bless

smalldogsparadise.com/health-care/what-happens-during-euthanization/

 

[MakeUpArtist]

I’m amazed that by using the word “euthanize” you think it is better. I must admit i haven’t bothered to check in a while but it used to be common to gas the animals in the shelter to kill them. Back in school, we disected cats that had been killed this way for a biology class, I tell you the expression frozen on the dead cat’s face was not one of happily passing away away in her sleep. She also had 2 babies in her womb, which caused a bit of a stirr in class as an opportunity to investigate that particualr anatomy lesson.

Giving it a prettier name doesn’t change the reality. Escargo are still just snails.

That’s disgusting. Many organizations have fought against gassing animals. That is a method that was once used commonly by animal control. Actual shelters that care about the animals use a perfectly humane injection. The animal does not suffer at all. That is what the euthanasia I am refering to is.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

Please list a humane way to kill an animal? How does your human society kill unwanted pets, gas? Which is a worse way to die gas or drowing? Sort of an ironic that the humane society uses the most inhumane way of killing animals, isn’t it.

Is hunting for food inhumane treatment of animals? Is raising animals on a family farm for food and butcher inhumane?

Is using pesticides in your home to kill insects, inhumane?

If I see someone placing baited ant traps outside, should I position myself between the exterminator and the ants with a shotgun?

Get a grip!!!

They euthanize the animal. I suggest you educate yourself about the issue before you go on a rant about something you obviously know nothing about. I was helping to educate you "on a subject that you obviously know nothing about. I love the “on high” debate style employed, it really sells your position.
Most animal welfare organizations are not opposed to killing animals in some circumstances. A faulty assumption or generalization, most use gas. In animal welfare organizations the majority of animals under their care are killed.

They are merely opposed to inhumane treatment. I’m amazed there are people who can’t comprehend the difference between drowning unwanted animals and humanely euthanizing them. Why did you even bring up drowning? Did someone else?

Again list the ways that you deem acceptable to kill an animal, please. Try answering the bottom three questions above.

The bottom line is that animals suffer and die everyday do to your existance. You have to own up to that fact and yes some are treated unfairly. You share some of the blame. How will you fix that fact? Not minimize the risk but stop it.

 

[MakeUpArtist]

Please list a humane way to kill an animal? How does your human society kill unwanted pets, gas? Which is a worse way to die gas or drowing? Sort of an ironic that the humane society uses the most inhumane way of killing animals, isn’t it.

Is hunting for food inhumane treatment of animals? Is raising animals on a family farm for food and butcher inhumane?

Is using pesticides in your home to kill insects, inhumane?

If I see someone placing baited ant traps outside, should I position myself between the exterminator and the ants with a shotgun?

Get a grip!!!

Again list the ways that you deem acceptable to kill an animal, please. Try answering the bottom three questions above.

The bottom line is that animals suffer and die everyday do to your existance. You have to own up to that fact and yes some are treated unfairly. You share some of the blame. How will you fix that fact? Not minimize the risk but stop it.

Most everything you state is incorrect. Most animal rescues/shelters(I’m not talking about animal control) only euthanize(as in a humane injection) animals that are agressive or too sick to be adopted, and they use INJECTIONS! . Virtually all the major animal welfare organizations are opposed to gassing animals. They are opposed to killing animals when it is not nesessary or humane. I’ve stated that injections are humane. I suggest you take a reading comprehension course if I have to explain to you again the way in which I am ok with killing an animal. Also, you state that because there is animal cruelty in this world I am at fault and should not try to prevent anymore of it. That makes absolutely no sense,

 

[Sean_Boyle]

Most everything you state is incorrect.Opinion! Most animal rescues/shelters you changed your defined topic(I’m not talking about animal control) only euthanize(as in a humane injection) animals that are agressive or too sick to be adopted, and they use INJECTIONS! . Virtually all the major animal welfare organizations are opposed to gassing animals.Generalization They are opposed to killing animals when it is not nesessary or humane. I’ve stated that injections are humane.

I suggest you take a reading comprehension course if I have to explain to you again the way in which I am ok with killing an animal. Again with the “on high” statement. brilliant!

Also, you state that because there is animal cruelty in this world I am at fault and should not try to prevent anymore of it. That makes absolutely no sense, It will!/quote]

Injections are humane, great. Is an injection humane for animals that are afraid of needles? So hunting is inhumane? Is the possiblity of a collision with an animal while driving your car humane? Is the removal of rats and mice, inhumane?

Do you use pesticide of any type?

 

[bilop]

Please list a humane way to kill an animal? How does your human society kill unwanted pets, gas? Which is a worse way to die gas or drowing? Sort of an ironic that the humane society uses the most inhumane way of killing animals, isn’t it.

Is hunting for food inhumane treatment of animals? Is raising animals on a family farm for food and butcher inhumane?

Is using pesticides in your home to kill insects, inhumane?

If I see someone placing baited ant traps outside, should I position myself between the exterminator and the ants with a shotgun?

Get a grip!!!

Again list the ways that you deem acceptable to kill an animal, please. Try answering the bottom three questions above.

The bottom line is that animals suffer and die everyday do to your existance. You have to own up to that fact and yes some are treated unfairly. You share some of the blame. How will you fix that fact? Not minimize the risk but stop it.

What does any of that have to do with stopping someone who is gratuitously hurting a pet?

I’m no animal activist, I don’t even really want pets. I fully support hunting, and am a total carnivore. I have zero problem with the proper use of animals to benefit mankind.

Still, if I saw someone gratuitously harming a pet, or other animal, and I felt I could intervene with little risk to myself, I would do so.

If it were my pet, or my family’s, on our property, I would be prepared to use deadly force if my intervention caused the attacker to turn on me.

God Bless

 

[Calliso]

There are definately humane ways and in humane ways to kill an animal. Euthazing them not using gas or even a bullet to the head are both far more humane then an animal slowly drowning to death. If you have ever talked to a person that has nearly drowned I am sure they would tell you that going that way isn;t pleasant.

As for gasing I am imagine that has to be pretty bad too. But it sounds like a lot of shelters donlt do that. And you, know I bet those that do though donlt do it because they want to be inhumane or anything. But sometimes there is just too many animals and not enough of the euthazing drug to go around or space to even keep the animals.

Really though the poor excuse to not spaying and nuetuering your pets doesn;t really sit well with me at all. I mean at least here there are programs and what not that can allow you to spay and nueter dogs and cats for cheap and sometimes even free. Now maybe those donlt exist in ireland. But you know what if you can;t afford basic medical care I would consider nueteuring your dog or cat basic medical care Then you have NO business owning an animal. And really people not spaying and nuetering pets is a huge reason why such a huge number somewhere in the millions each year of cats and dogs are euthazized and yes even gased each year. Also one more thing while we are on this subject. If you are going to get any pet please look to adopt and please be sure you are ready for a pet. There is soo many pets and not just dogs and cats looking for a home out there. Buying from petstores only adds to the problem especially since they encourage impulse buying which all too often leads to an animal ending up in the shelter when the novelty wheres off.

Ok and more on topic if someone hurt my guinea pigs I would be furious…and I would be tempted to do serious bodily harm to them!

 

[Antrim]

Well it looks like there are some questions to answer.

First of all we all had Farms with the result we all had Cattle and some had Sheep and Cattle so everyone had a Dog to handle the Cattle and Sheep. Therefore there was no such thing as adoption.

You need to know the culture of the Country and how it works.

There was one Vet in the town and he had to take care of a very large area. The only thing that I ever knew of him doing was Geld Horses.

The way we did it was very humane. We took them as soon as they were born. Put them in a Burlap Bag with a small rock. Put it in a Pool of Water and in thirty seconds they were gone because there Lungs were still very tiny.

Somebody said something about it setting a bad example to the next generation and that maybe it would lead to them hurting or killing people. This has been handed down for hundreds of years in Ireland and there were very few if any murders in Ireland. THe only thing the Cops had to worry about was to see if you had a Licence for your Dog and when you wenrt into the Town at night you had a Light on your Bicycile. At least where I came from.
There was no Crime.

IT was not done to be mean or cruel. It was done as a necesity.

Everybody knows everybody for miles around. The reason there are no Zip Codes in Ireland. The Mailman knows everyone.

Antrim

 

[MakeUpArtist]

Drowning a kitten is never humane. Drowning is one of the most painful ways to die. It doesn’t matter how backwards a society is. It’s cruel.

 

[Catholic90]

Well it looks like there are some questions to answer.

First of all we all had Farms with the result we all had Cattle and some had Sheep and Cattle so everyone had a Dog to handle the Cattle and Sheep. Therefore there was no such thing as adoption.

You need to know the culture of the Country and how it works.

There was one Vet in the town and he had to take care of a very large area. The only thing that I ever knew of him doing was Geld Horses.

Hmmmm, I grew up on a farm, in farm country with cattle, sheep, horses, pigs, dogs and cats. We had one vet to serve our large agricultural area. He spayed and neutered dogs and cats. In fact, growing up I had several dogs as a child/teen. Each one was “fixed”. We also had cats. The housecats we “fixed”, but the barn cats were allowed to progate. They seemed pretty important to keep the mouse population down in the grain and hay storage areas. Every so often, a cat would disappear - I suppose a fox or a hawk would get one now and then. But we NEVER drowned them. Cats were most welcome on our farm and at all our neighbors’ places.

The way we did it was very humane. We took them as soon as they were born. Put them in a Burlap Bag with a small rock. Put it in a Pool of Water and in thirty seconds they were gone because there Lungs were still very tiny.

You can sugar-coat it all you want. It is not at all humane. It is cruel.

Somebody said something about it setting a bad example to the next generation and that maybe it would lead to them hurting or killing people. This has been handed down for hundreds of years in Ireland and there were very few if any murders in Ireland. THe only thing the Cops had to worry about was to see if you had a Licence for your Dog and when you wenrt into the Town at night you had a Light on your Bicycile. At least where I came from.
There was no Crime.

But they see nothing wrong with drowning puppies or kittens… That is NOT normal.

IT was not done to be mean or cruel. It was done as a necesity. Keep telling yourself that. There were/are better ways.

Everybody knows everybody for miles around. The reason there are no Zip Codes in Ireland. The Mailman knows everyone. And this what to do with the price of tea? Drowning is still a cruel and inhumane way to die. It is backwards.

Antrim

 

[wynnejj]

No, to the original question. But I might plea temporary insanity.

( I have to admit that I chuckle when I see a movie where the macho hero sees a violent crime scene and he takes it impassively, but when he sees a dead Fido in the corner that is when he resolves on vengeance. )