killing in the military

[Giver]

Everything you have quoted is from man’s teachings. Jesus never said we were to defend anyone. Jesus told us to love Him was to hear His word and live it. He also told us to love our enemies. So if an enemy were going to kill a child I loved, and I killed that enemy instead, whom would I love more? Wouldn’t I have loved the child more than I loved God?

Jesus in the Lord’s Prayer said (thy will be done on earth and in heaven), so if it is His will that my child should die so be it. My job is to live the Word of God.

When people don’t have enough faith to live the Word of God they will go to any lengths to make the Word say what is acceptable to them, and because faith is a gift, they should ask Jesus why they don’t have the faith, instead of trying to make His word say something it doesn’t say.
Giver

 

[fix]

Giver:

Everything you have quoted is from man’s teachings. Jesus never said we were to defend anyone. Jesus told us to love Him was to hear His word and live it. He also told us to love our enemies. So if an enemy were going to kill a child I loved, and I killed that enemy instead, whom would I love more? Wouldn’t I have loved the child more than I loved God?

Jesus in the Lord’s Prayer said (thy will be done on earth and in heaven), so if it is His will that my child should die so be it. My job is to live the Word of God.

When people don’t have enough faith to live the Word of God they will go to any lengths to make the Word say what is acceptable to them, and because faith is a gift, they should ask Jesus why they don’t have the faith, instead of trying to make His word say something it doesn’t say.
Giver

It is called moral reasoning and the Church as the authority from God to state these issues and make them binding.

Where does the bible say we each will interpret it infallibly?

 

[Sir_Knight]

Giver:

Everything you have quoted is from man’s teachings. Jesus never said we were to defend anyone. Jesus told us to love Him was to hear His word and live it. He also told us to love our enemies. So if an enemy were going to kill a child I loved, and I killed that enemy instead, whom would I love more? Wouldn’t I have loved the child more than I loved God?

Jesus in the Lord’s Prayer said (thy will be done on earth and in heaven), so if it is His will that my child should die so be it. My job is to live the Word of God.

When people don’t have enough faith to live the Word of God they will go to any lengths to make the Word say what is acceptable to them, and because faith is a gift, they should ask Jesus why they don’t have the faith, instead of trying to make His word say something it doesn’t say.
Giver

Jesus wasn’t exactly a pacifist. Otherwise how do you explain His violence toward those who were acting disrespectfully in the temple. Also, Jesus, Himself, instructed His followers to protect themselves when He encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27 – a plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus was speaking literally and approved of self-defense).

Giver:

Come on! Jesus is God and He told us not to kill. You have to know that He came here to complete the law.

And Jesus submitted His will to the Father in all things and the OT is filled with numerous examples of how God lead His people into battle and COMMANDED them to kill their enemies.

 

[estesbob]

Giver:

Everything you have quoted is from man’s teachings. Jesus never said we were to defend anyone. Jesus told us to love Him was to hear His word and live it. He also told us to love our enemies. So if an enemy were going to kill a child I loved, and I killed that enemy instead, whom would I love more? Wouldn’t I have loved the child more than I loved God?

Giver

Everything he quoted was the infallible moral teachings of the Magestrium of The One True Church. Fortunately as Catholics we are not shackled by the never ending “verse wars” that comes from trying to adhere to the false doctirne of “Sola Scriptura”

 

[Giver]

Sir Knight:

Jesus wasn’t exactly a pacifist. Otherwise how do you explain His violence toward those who were acting disrespectfully in the temple. Also, Jesus, Himself, instructed His followers to protect themselves when He encouraged them to sell their outer garments in order to buy a sword (Luke 22:36-38; cf. 2 Corinthians 11:26-27 – a plain reading of the passage indicates that Jesus was speaking literally and approved of self-defense).

And Jesus submitted His will to the Father in all things and the OT is filled with numerous examples of how God lead His people into battle and COMMANDED them to kill their enemies.

I can’t understand how anyone could read (Luke 22:36) and think Jesus was telling them to get a sword to defend him or herself. Even the Catholic approved Jerusalem Bible will tell you “The purse to buy, the sword to procure by force, the necessities of life. All this is symbolic of a mission in a hostile world.”

He told Peter to put away his sword that those who live by the sword would die by the sword.

You brought up that Jesus drove people out of the temple, well He is God and can do anything He wants to do, but told us to love our enemies. We have to do what He told us to do or else.
Giver

 

[Sir_Knight]

Three Points (any one of which is sufficient to make the case):

1. *]
   
   
   Giver:
   

   I can’t understand how anyone could read (Luke 22:36) and think Jesus was telling them to get a sword to defend him or herself. Even the Catholic approved Jerusalem Bible will tell you “The purse to buy, the sword to procure by force, the necessities of life. All this is symbolic of a mission in a hostile world.”

   The passage is NOT symbolic because if it were, then when the Apostles showed Jesus the swords that they had, the Great Teacher, who taught in parables but privately explained everything to his apostles (Mark 4:34), would have explained that He was not speaking of physical swords. Why did the Great Teacher not do this? Because the Apostles understood correctly and Jesus was commanding them to purchase weapons – even selling their cloaks if they had to.
   
   *]
   
   
   Giver:
   

   He told Peter to put away his sword that those who live by the sword would die by the sword.

   He told Peter to put away his sword because Jesus knew that He HAD TO die in order to bring salvation to the world.
   
   And you still haven’t explained all of the killing and wars in the OT that were done at God’s command. If it is wrong to kill during times of war now, then it was also wrong back then but since we know that God would never command anyone to do something that was wrong, it can only mean that in times of war and for reasons of self defense, it is acceptable to take a life. If it wasn’t wrong back then, than it can not be considered to be wrong now.
   
   *]
   
   
   estesbob:
   

   Everything he quoted was the infallible moral teachings of the Magestrium of The One True Church. Fortunately as Catholics we are not shackled by the never ending “verse wars” that comes from trying to adhere to the false doctirne of “Sola Scriptura”

   Yeah, and what estesbob said as well.

 

[777]

2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65

2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his/her life is not guilty of murder even if he/she is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man/woman in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he/she repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man/woman omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man/woman, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.66

2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.

Too many people changed it around

 

[777]

Giver:

Isn’t it strange you have to quote a man (Thomas Aquinas) to justify killing, war. I will quote Jesus our Lord and God who says there is no justification for killing.
(Matthew 5:44) “But I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you;”
giver

Right said.

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Read Romans 13 and the wars in the OT. Based on these and texts like,

Exodus 22:2
"If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;

I see no problem with killing during war.

 

[inJESUS]

Three Points (any one of which is sufficient to make the case

):

1. *] The passage is NOT symbolic because if it were, then when the Apostles showed Jesus the swords that they had, the Great Teacher, who taught in parables but privately explained everything to his apostles (Mark 4:34), would have explained that He was not speaking of physical swords. Why did the Great Teacher not do this? Because the Apostles understood correctly and Jesus was commanding them to purchase weapons – even selling their cloaks if they had to.
   yes but, why did Jesus reply to the apstles who said they have 2: enough! are 2 swords enough ? take a look at this response…donno if who wrote it is catholic or not but it makes sense: answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/sword2.htm
   
   i personaly donno the answer to war problems…i heard a priest talking about self-defence: he said that we should try all possible means as not to retaliate and try to solve it peacefully, but if it doesnt work we should defend ourselves…so donoo…

 

[Steven_Merten]

Giver:

IJesus drove people out of the temple, well He is God and can do anything He wants to do, but told us to love our enemies. We have to do what He told us to do or else.
Giver

Hello Giver,

Do you agree that it was not Jesus who first gave us the command to love our neighbor as ourself? Do you agree that it was God through Moses who first gave the command to love our neighbor as ourselves? Do you agree that Jesus teaches us that the whole Old Testament Mosaic Law (as well as the New Testament) has its foundation on God’s two commands to love one’s neighbor and love God?

Do you agree that it was God through Moses who gave us the command, Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Do you agree that Moses came down Mt. Sini with God’s ten commandments, one of them being ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ and then Mose killed three thousand of his neighbors? God was going to put to death the Israelite nation and begin again with Moses but Moses, by the blade of the sword, made peace between God and man. Do you agree that the Levites were given a position as ministers to God because of their duty to God in following Moses into combat against their neighbors on that day?

Jesus takes Moses command to love one’s neighbor and tells us to love one’s enemies. How do you understand God’s law through Moses to love one’s neighbor? How do you understand God’s law through Moses, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”?

Please visit www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com/stones2.html

**NAB LEV 19:17 **

"You shall not bear hatred for your brother in your heart. Though you may have to reprove your fellow man, do not incur sin because of him. Take no revenge and cherish no grudge against your fellow countrymen. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

NAB MAT 22:36 The Great Commandment.

“Teacher, which commandment of the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him:
“‘You shall love the Lord your God
with our whole heart,
with your whole soul,
and with all your mind.’
This is the greatest and first commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole law is based, and the prophets as well.”

**NAB EXO 20:13 **

“You shall not kill.”

NAB EXO 32:7

With that, the LORD said to Moses, “Go down at once to your people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt, for they have become depraved. They have soon turned aside from the way I pointed out to them, making for themselves a molten calf and worshiping it, sacrificing to it and crying out, ‘This is your God, O Israel, who brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ I see how stiffnecked this people is,” continued the LORD to Moses. "Let me alone, then, that my wrath may blaze up against them to consume them. Then I will make of you a great nation."

But Moses implored the LORD, his God, saying, "Why, O LORD, should your wrath blaze up against your own people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with such great power and with so strong a hand? Why should the Egyptians say, ‘With evil intent he brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains and exterminate them from the face of the earth’? Let your blazing wrath die down; relent in punishing your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and how you swore to them by your own self, saying, ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky; and all this land that I promised, I will give your descendants as their perpetual heritage.’" So the LORD relented in the punishment he had threatened to inflict on his people.

Moses then turned and came down the mountain with the two tablets that were written on both sides, front and back; tablets that were made by God, having inscriptions on them that were engraved by God himself…

…When Moses realized that, to the scornful joy of their foes, Aaron had let the people run wild, he stood at the gate of the camp and cried,** “Whoever is for the Lord, let him come to me!” All the Levites then rallied to him, and he told them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Put your sword on your hip everyone of you! Now go up and down the camp, from gate to gate, and slay your own kinsmen, your friends and neighbors!” The Levites carried out the command of Moses, and theat day there fell about three thousand of the people. **Then Moses said, “Today you have been dedicated to the LORD, for you were against your own sons and kinsmen, to bring a blessing upon yourselves this day.”

 

[inJESUS]

am confused here sorry my knowledge of the OT is weak…so you mean it was moses not God who killed? all the killings made in the name of God were done agaisnt God’s wish?

please i’d appreciate a clarification.

GOD BLESS YOU

 

[Sir_Knight]

inJESUS:

yes but, why did Jesus reply to the apstles who said they have 2: enough! are 2 swords enough ?

Because they were traveling in a group and Jesus felt that those two swords were sufficient to protect them. Recall that not everybody in the army is armed with a firearm ESPECIALLY those that are on the back lines. As a matterof fact, very few of those that are not going into combat are armed with weapons. The Apostles were not going off into combat, so there was no reason for all, or most, of them to be armed either.

inJESUS:

take a look at this response…donno if who wrote it is catholic or not but it makes sense: answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/sword2.htm

I read his opinion but it still doesn’t explain why Jesus, the Great Teacher, who taught in parables but privately explained everything to his apostles did not correct and explain to His apostles that He was speaking symbolicly when He did so in all other recorded cases.

 

[777]

Steven Merten:

Hello Giver,

Do you agree that it was not Jesus who first gave us the command to love our neighbor as ourself? Do you agree that it was God through Moses who first gave the command to love our neighbor as ourselves? Do you agree that Jesus teaches us that the whole Old Testament Mosaic Law (as well as the New Testament) has its foundation on God’s two commands to love one’s neighbor and love God?

Do you agree that it was God through Moses who gave us the command, Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Do you agree that Moses came down Mt. Sini with God’s ten commandments, one of them being ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ and then Mose killed three thousand of his neighbors? God was going to put to death the Israelite nation and begin again with Moses but Moses, by the blade of the sword, made peace between God and man. Do you agree that the Levites were given a position as ministers to God because of their duty to God in following Moses into combat against their neighbors on that day?

Jesus takes Moses command to love one’s neighbor and tells us to love one’s enemies. How do you understand God’s law through Moses to love one’s neighbor? How do you understand God’s law through Moses, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”?

Please visit www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com/stones2.html

**NAB LEV 19:17 **

"You shall not bear hatred for your brother or sister in your heart, mind and soul. Though you may have to reprove your fellow man or woman, do not incur sin because of him/her. Take no revenge and cherish no grudge against your fellow countrymen and women. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

NAB MAT 22:36 The Great Commandment.

“Teacher, which commandment of the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him:

“‘You shall love the Lord your God
with our whole heart,
with your whole soul,
and with all your mind.’
This is the greatest and first commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole law is based, and the prophets as well.”

**NAB EXO 20:13 **

“You shall not kill.”

NAB EXO 32:7

With that, the LORD said to Moses, “Go down at once to your people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt, for they have become depraved. They have soon turned aside from the way I pointed out to them, making for themselves a molten calf and worshiping it, sacrificing to it and crying out, ‘This is your God, O Israel, who brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ I see how stiffnecked this people is,” continued the LORD to Moses. "Let me alone, then, that my wrath may blaze up against them to consume them. Then I will make of you a great nation."

But Moses implored the LORD, his God, saying, "Why, O LORD, should your wrath blaze up against your own people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with such great power and with so strong a hand? Why should the Egyptians say, ‘With evil intent he brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains and exterminate them from the face of the earth’? Let your blazing wrath die down; relent in punishing your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and how you swore to them by your own self, saying, ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky; and all this land that I promised, I will give your descendants as their perpetual heritage.’" So the LORD relented in the punishment he had threatened to inflict on his people.

Moses then turned and came down the mountain with the two tablets that were written on both sides, front and back; tablets that were made by God, having inscriptions on them that were engraved by God himself…

…When Moses realized that, to the scornful joy of their foes, Aaron had let the people run wild, he stood at the gate of the camp and cried,** “Whoever is for the Lord, let him come to me!” All the Levites then rallied to him, and he told them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel**: Put your sword on your hip everyone of you! Now go up and down the camp, from gate to gate, and slay your own kinsmen and kinswomen, your friends and neighbors!” The Levites carried out the command of Moses, and theat day there fell about three thousand of the people. Then Moses said, “Today you have been dedicated to the LORD, for you were against your own sons, daughters, kinsmen and kinswomen, to bring a blessing upon yourselves this day.”

Isiah also said:
“And they shalt beat their swords into plowsheres and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shalt not rise up against nation, and they shalt study war no more.”

 

[777]

Steven Merten:

Hello Giver,

Do you agree that it was not Jesus who first gave us the command to love our neighbor as ourself? Do you agree that it was God through Moses who first gave the command to love our neighbor as ourselves? Do you agree that Jesus teaches us that the whole Old Testament Mosaic Law (as well as the New Testament) has its foundation on God’s two commands to love one’s neighbor and love God?

Do you agree that it was God through Moses who gave us the command, Thou Shalt Not Kill?

Do you agree that Moses came down Mt. Sini with God’s ten commandments, one of them being ‘Thou Shalt Not Kill’ and then Mose killed three thousand of his neighbors? God was going to put to death the Israelite nation and begin again with Moses but Moses, by the blade of the sword, made peace between God and man and woman. Do you agree that the Levites were given a position as ministers to God because of their duty to God in following Moses into combat against their neighbors on that day?

Jesus takes Moses command to love one’s neighbor and tells us to love one’s enemies. How do you understand God’s law through Moses to love one’s neighbor? How do you understand God’s law through Moses, “Thou Shalt Not Kill”?

Please visit www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com/stones2.html

**NAB LEV 19:17 **

"You shall not bear hatred for your brother or sister in your heart, mind and soul. Though you may have to reprove your fellow man and woman, do not incur sin because of him/her. Take no revenge and cherish no grudge against your fellow countrymen and women. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD."

NAB MAT 22:36 The Great Commandment.

“Teacher, which commandment of the law is the greatest?” Jesus said to him:

“‘You shall love the Lord your God
with our whole heart,
with your whole soul,
and with all your mind.’
This is the greatest and first commandment. The second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments the whole law is based, and the prophets as well.”

**NAB EXO 20:13 **

“You shall not kill.”

NAB EXO 32:7

With that, the LORD said to Moses, “Go down at once to your people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt, for they have become depraved. They have soon turned aside from the way I pointed out to them, making for themselves a molten calf and worshiping it, sacrificing to it and crying out, ‘This is your God, O Israel, who brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ I see how stiffnecked this people is,” continued the LORD to Moses. "Let me alone, then, that my wrath may blaze up against them to consume them. Then I will make of you a great nation."

But Moses implored the LORD, his God, saying, "Why, O LORD, should your wrath blaze up against your own people, whom you brought out of the land of Egypt with such great power and with so strong a hand? Why should the Egyptians say, ‘With evil intent he brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains and exterminate them from the face of the earth’? Let your blazing wrath die down; relent in punishing your people. Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac and Israel, and how you swore to them by your own self, saying, ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky; and all this land that I promised, I will give your descendants as their perpetual heritage.’" So the LORD relented in the punishment he had threatened to inflict on his people.

Moses then turned and came down the mountain with the two tablets that were written on both sides, front and back; tablets that were made by God, having inscriptions on them that were engraved by God himself…

…When Moses realized that, to the scornful joy of their foes, Aaron had let the people run wild, he stood at the gate of the camp and cried,** “Whoever is for the Lord, let him come to me!” All the Levites then rallied to him, and he told them, “Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel**: Put your sword on your hip everyone of you! Now go up and down the camp, from gate to gate, and slay your own kinsmen and kinswomen, your friends and neighbors!” The Levites carried out the command of Moses, and theat day there died about three thousand of the people. Then Moses said, “Today you have been dedicated to the LORD, for you were against your own sons, daughters, kinsmen and kinswomen, to bring a blessing upon yourselves this day.”

Isiah also said:
“And they shalt beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shalt not rise up agaist nation, and they shalt study war no more.”

 

[777]

Daniel Marsh:

Read Romans 13 and the wars in the OT. Based on these and texts like,

Exodus 22:2
"If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he/she dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed;

I see no problem with killing during war.

We just disagree

 

[Giver]

I would like to state again that when people don’t have the grace to live the Word of God they go to any extent to justify what they want to live. Quoting the Old Testament and Moses to justify killing, how ignorant do they think we are? Jesus came here from the Father to give us a Word and set up a new covenant with His people and in doing so He completed the law. As far a killing goes Jesus very clearly tells us that what was permitted before Him was no longer. (Matthew 5:43-44) “You have learnt how it was said, you must love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”

There are also people who believe their church has the authority to change the Word of God. Do you really believe that Peter had the right to change the Word of God? Do you think he would have allowed any teaching that wasn’t taught by Jesus? Jesus became man and died on a cross to give us a Word from the Father and we dare change that Word? From my understanding the Christian Church didn’t allow for war of any kind, just or not, for three hundred years. Then the Church changed the Word of God. What a mistake that was and is.
Giver

 

[Sir_Knight]

777:

Isiah also said:
“And they shalt beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shalt not rise up agaist nation, and they shalt study war no more.”

That refers to a FUTURE prophecey which has yet to occur just like Isaiah’s prophecey about the wolf dwelling with the lamb, and the leopard shall laying down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child leading them. (Isaiah 11:6)

Try putting a lion and a calf together and see what happens.

Giver:

I would like to state again that when people don’t have the grace to live the Word of God they go to any extent to justify what they want to live. Quoting the Old Testament and Moses to justify killing, how ignorant do they think we are?

I guess ignorant not to realize that the bible says that ALL of scripture is for man’s benefit.

Giver:

Jesus came here from the Father to give us a Word and set up a new covenant with His people and in doing so He completed the law. As far a killing goes Jesus very clearly tells us that what was permitted before Him was no longer. (Matthew 5:43-44) “You have learnt how it was said, you must love your neighbor and hate your enemy, but I say this to you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” So are you saying that God the Father acted incorrectly when He told the Israelites to kill their enemies?

Recall that scripture has it that God does not change from generation to generation. If God approved of killing in the OT, then killing under those circumstances must have been acceptable and not sinful. Therefore, since God does not change from one generation to the next, then killing today under similiar circumstances (injustice, protection of the innocent, etc.) is also acceptable to God and not sinful.

Giver:

There are also people who believe their church has the authority to change the Word of God. Do you really believe that Peter had the right to change the Word of God? Do you think he would have allowed any teaching that wasn’t taught by Jesus? Jesus became man and died on a cross to give us a Word from the Father and we dare change that Word? From my understanding the Christian Church didn’t allow for war of any kind, just or not, for three hundred years. Then the Church changed the Word of God. What a mistake that was and is.

Ahh, from YOUR UNDERSTANDING! But the bible tells us that only the church is assured the ability to correctly interpert scripture and their official interpertation of scripture is found in the CCC which states that killing during time of war for reasons of injustice, protection of the innocent, etc. is not sinful. If your opinion differs from that, then the bible teaches that your opinion is wrong because, once again, only the church is assured of correctly interperting scripture.

 

[Giver]

Sir Knight:

That refers to a FUTURE prophecey which has yet to occur just like Isaiah’s prophecey about the wolf dwelling with the lamb, and the leopard shall laying down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child leading them. (Isaiah 11:6)

Try putting a lion and a calf together and see what happens.

I guess ignorant not to realize that the bible says that ALL of scripture is for man’s benefit.

So are you saying that God the Father acted incorrectly when He told the Israelites to kill their enemies?

Recall that scripture has it that God does not change from generation to generation. If God approved of killing in the OT, then killing under those circumstances must have been acceptable and not sinful. Therefore, since God does not change from one generation to the next, then killing today under similiar circumstances (injustice, protection of the innocent, etc.) is also acceptable to God and not sinful.

Ahh, from YOUR UNDERSTANDING! But the bible tells us that only the church is assured the ability to correctly interpert scripture and their official interpertation of scripture is found in the CCC which states that killing during time of war for reasons of injustice, protection of the innocent, etc. is not sinful. If your opinion differs from that, then the bible teaches that your opinion is wrong because, once again, only the church is assured of correctly interperting scripture.

Why don’t you ask Jesus, and wait for His answer? But I don’t think you would believe Him even if He told you in person.

 

[Steven_Merten]

777:

Isiah also said:
“And they shalt beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation shalt not rise up agaist nation, and they shalt study war no more.”

Hello 777,

Jesus said that He brought peace to the world. Where is the peace that Jesus brought to the world? Have you seen it anywhere?

Jesus brought spiritual peace between God and man to the world. Jesus tells us He does not bring physical peace to the world but a sword and division.

Isaih is speaking of the New Jerusalem; Heaven.

**NAB MAT 10:34 **

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household.’ "Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;