killing in the military

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777:
So it’s ok to deny the enemy a chnce to repent, to send them right to hell?
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Man does not have the power to deny someone the chance to repent. We do, however, have the ability under Sacred Scripture to wage war for just reasons, as God demands that we uphold justice. You cannot deny that God has commanded his people to war. If such was immoral and a violation of his commandment, then that would be a contradiction. Thus, your interpretation of Scripture is unconvincing.
 
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777:
What of St. Francis Of Assisi? He ditched his role as a soldier to be a priest and form his order of the Fransciscans.
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Yes, St. Francis was a pacifist. And you certainly can be without sin, in accord with CCC par. 2311. However, when you accuse military members of violating the commandment of God by their just service, you go beyond what St. Francis taught. St. Francis never taught that military members were sinning in the conduct of their wartime duty. Furthermore, St. Francis never dissented with Catholic doctrine as you have. Given your thesis and that of St. Francis, I’m sticking with St. Francis, thanks.

From St. Francis’ Rule of Friar’s Minor:
Friar Francis promises obedience and reverence to the Lord Pope Honorius and his canonically elected successors, and to the Roman Church; and the other friars are bound to obey Friar Francis and his successors.
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From John Paul II’s “sure norm of Catholic teaching,” the Catechism of the Catholic Church:
**2265 **Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility…

**2310 **Public authorities, in this case, have the right and duty to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national defense.

Those who are sworn to serve their country in the armed forces are servants of the security and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.
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You contradict yourself when you side with St. Francis but reject the doctrine of the Church which St. Francis obediently upheld.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
Ma and woman does not have the power to deny someone the chance to repent. We do, however, have the ability under Sacred Scripture to wage war for reasons, as God demands that we uphold revenge. You cannot deny that God has ordered his people to war. If such was immoral and a violation of his commandment, then that would be a contradiction. Thus, your interpretation of Scripture is unconvincing.
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Much of the physical wars took place in the old testament.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
Yes, St. Francis was a pacifist. And you certainly can be without sin, in accord with CCC par. 2311. However, when you accuse military members of violating the commandment of God by their earthly service, you go beyond what St. Francis taught. St. Francis never taught that military members were sinning in the conduct of their wartime efforts. Furthermore, St. Francis never dissented with Catholic doctrine as you have. Given your thesis and that of St. Francis, I’m sticking with St. Francis, thanks.

From St. Francis’ Rule of Friar’s Minor:

From John Paul II’s “sure norm of Catholic teaching,” the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

You contradict yourself when you side with St. Francis but reject the doctrine of the Church which St. Francis obediently upheld.
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All the same, violence begets more violence.
 
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777:
Originally Posted by itsjustdave1988
Ma and woman does not have the power to deny someone the chance to repent. We do, however, have the ability under Sacred Scripture to wage war for reasons, as God demands that we uphold revenge. You cannot deny that God has ordered his people to war. If such was immoral and a violation of his commandment, then that would be a contradiction. Thus, your interpretation of Scripture is unconvincing.
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I would thank you not to insert your deceptive words as though they were a quote from me. This is false witnessing, which is a violation of God’s commandments. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
 
itsjustdave1988 said:
777,

I would thank you not to insert your deceptive words as though they were a quote from me. This is false witnessing, which is a violation of God’s commandments. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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What’s wrong with pointing out that women shouldn’t be left out?
 
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777:
What’s wrong with pointing out that women shouldn’t be left out?
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Point out whatever you want to, but do not attribute to me what I did not say. What’s with the “uphold revenge” remark? You can quibble all you like but it is nothing more than lying, which comes from none other than the father of all lies. Caught in a lie, you quibble as though it was innocent. I’ve reported your post to the moderators. Through your feigned innocence, you continue to behave shamefully.
 
**2265 **Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm, even if it means death. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms, even lethal arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility…
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**2310 **Public authorities, in this case, have the right and duty to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national revenge.
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Those who are sworn to serve their secular duty to the world in the armed forces are servants of the revenge and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, anyway, even death to make the enemy say, “I quit,” and rejoice over the enemy’s death, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.
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There is no freedom without the lord. Fight produce only destruction and death for allies. Me and my wife would never hurt, nor scar, nor murder anyone, even in defense.
 
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koda:
…we can go back and forth on the “just” war theory until doomsday.
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It’s not ‘“just” war theory’. It is just war doctrine. To disagree with it is to disagree with the Magesterium of Christ’s Church.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Deceptively mis-quoted by the the liar, 777:
**2265 **Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm, even if it means death. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms, even lethal arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility…

**2310 **Public authorities, in this case, have the right and duty to impose on citizens the obligations necessary for national revenge.

Those who are sworn to serve their secular duty to the world in the armed forces are servants of the revenge and freedom of nations. If they carry out their duty honorably, anyway, even death to make the enemy say, “I quit,” and rejoice over the enemy’s death, they truly contribute to the common good of the nation and the maintenance of peace.
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I’m done discourcing with a liar. You’ve show us all who you serve.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
Point out whatever you want to, but do not attribute to me what I did not say. What’s with the “uphold revenge” remark? You can quibble all you like but it is nothing more than lying, which comes from none other than the father of all lies. Caught in a lie, you quibble as though it was innocent. I’ve reported your post to the moderators. Through your feigned innocence, you continue to behave shamefully.
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I just reported your post to the moderators.
 
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mlchance:
It’s not ‘“just” war theory’. It is just war doctrine. To disagree with it is to disagree with the Magesterium of Christ’s Church.

– Mark L. Chance.
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Just wars, street brawls, schoolyard fights–it’s all just the same.
 
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mlchance:
The Church says differently, and she – not you – has the authority to make such judgments. Feel free to disagree if you’d like, but don’t expect any faithful Catholic to respect your dissent.

And, so much for your defense of the Church’s authority:

– Mark L. Chance.
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I just don’t believe in war. That is all, good by, and i wish you well.
 
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777:
I just don’t believe in war. That is all, good by, and i wish you well.
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In the forlorn hope that this is the end of this nonsense, I advise you to exercise caution upon departure – and watch out for that doorknob.
 
vern humphrey:
In the forlorn hope that this is the end of this nonsense, I advise you to exercise caution upon departure – and watch out for that doorknob.
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I will. Take care.
 
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